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LT- Johnathan Martin- bullying inside Dolphins locker room
Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM
- 808niner4lyphe
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I wouldn't mind trading a 5th or 6th for Martin to be the swing Tackle for us next season, of course in the offseason. He'll fit rite in with the team because we have a great locker room with great leaders unlike Miami, and we have a great organization from top to bottom with his former coaches. This is a problem that can be fixed. If the guy feels comfortable in the locker room and loves his working environment, he'll play his heart out and this problem won't happen again, and our coaches can bring the best out of mediocre players, and the leaders will bring the beast out of him without bullying him but by hard work and pushing him to be more physical. Usually young players feeds off of great leaders and thats exactly what we have in the Niners.
Nov 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM
- Young2Rice
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Jason Whitlock column on the situation.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9941696/jonathan-martin-walked-twisted-world-led-incognito
Mass incarceration has turned segments of Black America so upside down that a tatted-up, N-word-tossing white goon is more respected and accepted than a soft-spoken, highly intelligent black Stanford graduate.
According to a story in the Miami Herald, black Dolphins players granted Richie Incognito "honorary" status as a black man while feeling little connection to Jonathan Martin.
Welcome to Incarceration Nation, where the mindset of the Miami Dolphins' locker room mirrors the mentality of a maximum-security prison yard and where a wide swath of America believes the nonviolent intellectual needs to adopt the tactics of the barbarian.
I don't blame Jonathan Martin for walking away from the Dolphins and checking himself into a hospital seeking treatment for emotional distress. The cesspool of insanity that apparently is the Miami locker room would test the mental stability of any sane man. Martin, the offspring of Harvard grads, a 24-year-old trained at some of America's finest academic institutions, is a first-time offender callously thrown into an Attica prison cell with Incognito and Aaron Hernandez's BFF Mike Pouncey. Dolphins warden Jeff Ireland and deputy warden Joe Philbin put zero sophisticated thought into what they were doing when they drafted Martin in the second round in 2012.
You don't put Jonathan Martin in a cell with Incognito and Pouncey. You draft someone else, and let another team take Martin. The Dolphins don't have the kind of environment to support someone with Martin's background. It takes intelligence and common sense to connect with and manage Martin. Those attributes appear to be in short supply in Miami.
"Richie is honorary," a black former Dolphins player told Miami Herald reporter Armando Salguero. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."
I'm black. And I totally understand the genesis of this particular brand of stupidity and self-hatred. Mass Incarceration, its b*****d child, Hurricane Illegitimacy, and their marketing firm, commercial hip-hop music, have created a culture that perpetrates the idea that authentic blackness is criminal, savage, uneducated and irresponsible. The tenets of white supremacy and bigotry have been injected into popular youth culture. The blackest things a black man can do are loudly spew the N-word publicly and react violently to the slightest sign of disrespect or disagreement.
Yeah, Richie Incognito is an honorary black. And Jonathan Martin is a sellout.
"I don't have a problem with Richie," Dolphins receiver Mike Wallace was quoted in Salguero's story. "I love Richie."
Yeah, the Dolphins are circling the wagons around Incognito. I get Ryan Tannehill's defense of his Pro Bowl left guard. He needs him. He doesn't believe the Dolphins can protect him or win games without Incognito. There's a popular belief you can't consistently win football games without a few "thugs" like Incognito in your locker room. Makes you wonder how Stanford competes with USC, Oregon, UCLA, etc., every year. You wonder how Nebraska and Oregon survived after booting Incognito. You wonder why three NFL teams let him go. Maybe he's not as essential as the myth-makers would have you believe.
But what makes me want to check into a mental hospital is Miami's black players' unconditional love of Incognito and indifference to Martin.
It points to our fundamental lack of knowledge of our own history in this country. We think the fake tough guy, the ex-con turned rhetoric spewer was more courageous than the educated pacifist who won our liberation standing in the streets, absorbing repeated ass-whippings, jail and a white assassin's bullet. We fell for the okeydoke.
We think Malcolm X was blacker than Martin Luther King Jr.
I'm as guilty as anybody. I've read X's autobiography a half-dozen times. I own Spike Lee's movie about X and watch it a couple of times a year. I love Malcolm X. But I'm not an idiot. MLK liberated me. MLK blazed the proper path to respect, progress and achievement. Barack Obama stands on MLK's shoulders. And so does Jonathan Martin.
Richie Incognito is an "honorary" bigot, standing on the shoulders of Gov. George Wallace. The fact that a group of young black men in the Dolphins' locker room can't see that speaks to the level of ignorance unleashed by Mass Incarceration, Hurricane Illegitimacy and commercial hip-hop.
Too many young people have grown up. There's a difference between growing up and being raised. When you grow up, you're left to figure things out on your own. That's why we have a generation of young people who can't recognize the self-hatred and damage of describing yourself as the N-word. They don't know what they haven't been taught. Video games, iPads and headphones can't raise a child. But those technological advances can entertain and empower popular culture to corrupt.
Richie Incognito, left, has been suspended as the NFL investigates if he sent Jonathan Martin, right, harassing texts and voice-mail messages. I don't know Jonathan Martin. He's biracial. He was apparently smart enough to qualify for entry into Harvard. He's huge and athletic. He strikes me as someone ripe to struggle with his identity.
The Dolphins tagged him the "Big Weirdo." The Dolphins held up Richie Incognito as the ultimate role model for offensive linemen. Incognito was a Pro Bowler. He was a member of the six-man leadership council. It makes perfect sense for a kid like Martin to befriend Incognito and try to fit in. I'm sure they were best friends, for a time. I'm sure Incognito offered Martin physical protection on the football field. It's standard operating procedure for a prison-yard bully to cultivate a relationship that is equal parts fear, love and disrespect. It's how you turn a guy out and make him grab your belt loop.
Martin was confused. He probably thought the bullying and hazing would pass after his rookie season. He wanted to fit in and make it in the NFL. The paycheck is incredible. He tried to laugh off the abuse and disrespect. He participated in it. He coughed up $15,000 for a trip to Las Vegas he didn't want to take.
Finally he snapped. He wasn't raised to be a full-blown idiot. He was raised to think and solve problems with his mind. He was savvy enough to figure out a physical confrontation with Incognito was a no-win situation. It wouldn't curb Incognito's behavior or change the culture inside the Miami locker room. It would confirm it. In order to win the fight, Martin would have to physically harm Incognito. It would not be a one-punch or two-punch fight.
Martin walked. If the entry fee to being an NFL offensive lineman is adopting the mindset of Incognito and Pouncey, Martin wisely chose not to pay it. He has a developed brain and a supportive family unit. He's not desperate. He has options. People with limited options and no family support may not understand or respect his decision. That's on them and illustrates the vast impact of Mass Incarceration and Hurricane Illegitimacy.
It's now time for Roger Goodell to render a verdict on wardens Ireland and Philbin and Cell Block D leader Incognito. The world is so upside down that I half expect Goodell to suspend Martin for conduct detrimental to American idiocy.
I though you were supposed to like someone based on the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. Seems that's what some of the black players are doing. They would rather have a tatted up N-word white guy as a friend then a black educated man from Stanford. Its probably not because he's soft spoken and educated, there are many well respected soft spoken educated black men who are popular. Martin's probably just a little awkward. No need to punk him around for it though.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Nov 8, 2013 at 12:09 AM ]
Nov 8, 2013 at 12:16 AM
- xcfan
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an ivy-league-west guy, who studied the classics at stanford, and comes from a long line intellectual blue bloods, is very, very unlikely to ever fit in well (in the conventional manner) with the garden-variety group of linemen. most linemen have done nothing but cultivate their brutish selves. there's just very little common ground between a truly cerebral person who is very much at home on the farm and your common brute.
Nov 8, 2013 at 1:02 AM
- TheFunkyChicken
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Heard an interesting thing on the radio on the way home tonight.
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
Nov 8, 2013 at 1:19 AM
- ProfessorKel
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Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Heard an interesting thing on the radio on the way home tonight.
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
No coincidence that we lead the league in superbowls... All about the game!
Nov 8, 2013 at 2:46 AM
- vaden
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Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Heard an interesting thing on the radio on the way home tonight.
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
I didn't know that either, but if true it's great to hear.
Phoenix49ers, thanks for posting that superb article by Whitlock. I hope that Dolphins team never wins another game. I don't want any of those bullies to ever play for us, and I hope Tannehill is playing for the Arena League in three years.
Nov 8, 2013 at 2:46 AM
- BrianGO
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Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Heard an interesting thing on the radio on the way home tonight.
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
No coincidence that we lead the league in superbowls... All about the game!
Well, the Steelers lead the league in Super Bowls, but that still proves the point.
Nov 8, 2013 at 6:08 AM
- 49erphan
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Heard an interesting thing on the radio on the way home tonight.
The guy that works with JT the Brick (can't think of his name) said that two teams, the 49ers and the Steelers, have had a ban on hazing since the 80s.
I didn't realize that, but I have to say, I'm proud that my team has long ago moved on from this silly BS and decided to approach the game like professionals. One more thing I thank Bill Walsh for....
No coincidence that we lead the league in superbowls... All about the game!
Well, the Steelers lead the league in Super Bowls, but that still proves the point.
Right, the point being that those who are claiming that hazing and bullying are necessary to be a winning team are wrong.
Nov 8, 2013 at 7:04 AM
- Memphis9er
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People that bully are usually doing it to make up for how f**ked they are emotionally and mentally. If you get your kicks from making someone else miserable you suck at life...period.
Nov 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM
- tjd808185
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
That is BS.It has not been adequately explained.
What about that "im going to c*m in your sisters c**t" comment? What's the explanation for that?
The answer is in the statement "I've seen you on Twitter, and you've been training for 10 weeks" It's obvious this was trash talk and he was saying he was going to continue to ride him on the practice field. Them trying to toughen Martin up seems to be a fact at this point. I guess I'd have to hear the whole story from Martin to know whether or not they've crossed the line or he's just a big p*****.
Nov 8, 2013 at 8:32 AM
- Stanley
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Originally posted by RabidNiner:The only thing you're right about is the fact that you're offering only your point of view. One of many that are all correct. Human nature creates all of us differently, and it's ridiculous to infer that because you're a NFL player, soldier, union member, you need to act a certain way in order to be accepted or perform your job well.
I love how people can talk about football players like they are "warriors" or "gladiators" and then mention bullying in the same sentence. What a joke.
Don't get me wrong, bullying exists and it can happen at all levels. But you are supposed to be a pro football player who puts his mind and body on the line and you can't handle a little indoctrination by the other players?
I come from the Special Operations community, guys I served with are like brothers and would do anything for one another. However, we were tied up, beaten and hazed on a constant basis. Ragging on guys about their families, girlfriends, moms, and race was part of the experience. You understood that you existed independent of the outside world. That you were part of a team, family, and brotherhood, independent of anything else, and you depended on each other and knew that they were mentally touch and wouldn't let you down. You made fun of your closest friends, and if you discovered a weakness about them you would hit it twice as hard.
When I heard the tapes the other day I thought, "that's nothing, I've had much worse said to me by guys that I consider family". I've always loved football since I was a young kid, but the money these guys get paid to play a child's game and then b*tch about what it does to their bodies, and now about "bullying". This is beyond absurd.
I know that some people might not understand that but I don't think everyone is supposed to. That mentality is, and should be, different from most everyone's everyday normal life. However, in a sport that uses terms like: "battle", "trenches", "war", "combatants", "warriors", etc., I think some people need to grow some thicker skin or find a new career path.
I've shyed away fom hazing and have never been disrespectful to any of my teammates and any point in my life. I've been quiet and defered to other peoples interests more time than not. But guess what, when it was time to perform, I was still able to do it with ferocity and the trust of my teammates. I was always a leader that others looked up to, and I always performed to the best of my ability.
You can NEVER convince me that hazing is necessary for ANYTHING....because it isn't.
I guess some people are more 'evolved.'
Nov 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM
- 24plus25er
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I knew something was wrong with the Dolphins as an organization when they went out and TRADED for Bryant McKinney. He's always been a lazy, non-committed, poor example of leadership. Why bring a guy connected with two obscene off the filed issues to a city like Miami? What a desperate organization.
Nov 8, 2013 at 8:54 AM
- LisaTwelve
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Originally posted by Stanley:The only thing you're right about is the fact that you're offering only your point of view. One of many that are all correct. Human nature creates all of us differently, and it's ridiculous to infer that because you're a NFL player, soldier, union member, you need to act a certain way in order to be accepted or perform your job well.
I've shyed away fom hazing and have never been disrespectful to any of my teammates and any point in my life. I've been quiet and defered to other peoples interests more time than not. But guess what, when it was time to perform, I was still able to do it with ferocity and the trust of my teammates. I was always a leader that others looked up to, and I always performed to the best of my ability.
You can NEVER convince me that hazing is necessary for ANYTHING....because it isn't.
I guess some people are more 'evolved.'
Well stated.
To me, hazing says more about the insecurities of the "hazers" than the relative strength or weakness of the "hazees".
Nov 8, 2013 at 8:56 AM
- LumpiaJeff
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heard on 95.7 The Game this morning that during a golf tournament sponsored by the Miami Dolphins this year (i think), Incognito was drunk and harassed a woman employee with a golf club by poking her crotch with it. when she told him to stop, he proceeded to poke her boobs with them and then knock her sunglasses off her head. when she tried to walk away, he followed her and tried to grind on her backside.
she reported the incident to her employers. can't remember what they said they did to incognito afterwards.
she reported the incident to her employers. can't remember what they said they did to incognito afterwards.
Nov 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM
- SunDevilNiner79
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Originally posted by LaMichaelJeff:
heard on 95.7 The Game this morning that during a golf tournament sponsored by the Miami Dolphins this year (i think), Incognito was drunk and harassed a woman employee with a golf club by poking her crotch with it. when she told him to stop, he proceeded to poke her boobs with them and then knock her sunglasses off her head. when she tried to walk away, he followed her and tried to grind on her backside.
she reported the incident to her employers. can't remember what they said they did to incognito afterwards.
Woman settled with Miami Dolphins and signed non-disclosure agreement