Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Think the players regret signing the CBA now?
Last season when the NFL signed its new CBA(Collective Bargain Agreement) to end the lockout and save the season. There were a few stipulations that some players voiced there displeasure with but for the good of the game they sat aside there griefs. One such stipulation is that all appeals of fines and suspensions laid out by Roger Goodell will be appealed by none other then Roger Goodell? Not a separate appeals board, but Goodell. So lets get this straight a LB gets fined 30,000$ and suspended for 2 games by Goodell for a hit he feels was illegal. The LB doesn't agree and appeals the suspension and he has to go see the same man who jus suspended him? But players signed off on the deal and its done, even though its crazy.
I don't believe this is true. Last week when Brandon Meriweather was suspended for two games it was reported that Matt Birk and Ted Cottrell would be in charge of the appeal.
Originally posted by JimA49ers:
I don't agree with this at all for a few reasons.
1. How can you take away a scoring drive on a nonsense penalty? That can change the outcome of the game. There are already enough penalties that do not fit the infraction, like some of the automatic first down penalties. Especially when the defense has pinned the opponent on a 3rd and long. Just accept the TD, and issue the 15 yard penalty as it stands now.
2. It's going to be up to the refs to decide what taunting is. Holding the ball out to the defender, ok, that's taunting. But I'm waiting for the day a rookie is on his way to his first NFL touchdown, and "smiles too big" for the refs liking. Granted, I always liked Jim Brown for his "Act like you've been there before" attitude, but come on now!
Answer each point. My opinion is this....
1. The penalty won't nullify the entire play, just the score, it will be like a spot foul. If it is an 80 yard TD bomb and he starts taunting at the 20 he will be ruled down at the 20 or perhaps given a 15 yard penalty from the 20 and the team will get the ball on the opponents 35. Still netting 45 yards on the pay. That will be the only way that owners and coaches that preside on the competition committee will go for it IMHO.
2. This is already an issue, when Lavelle Hawkins got his two taunting penalties in the preseason(the headbutt most noteably) I saw a guy do the exact same things repeatedly and not be flagged. Similar example is when Boldin got in Mathieu's face and drew a personal foul call for headbutting but you can watch almost any game and it happens at least once per game and the refs don't flag it.
I agree they have to be very explicit about what taunting will be defined as. I think it the reasonable rule would be a combination of actions before crossing the goal line. Such as...
Looking back AND high stepping
Looking back AND holding the ball out
Looking back AND turning around like DeSean Jackson and falling into the endzone
The front flip/somersaults will probably be ruled taunting if you aren't actually attempting to get by a defender. Things like that.