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Crabtree Or Harvin

Crabtree Or Harvin

Harvin is more versatile, but Crabs is the better receiver. Harvin hasn't even cracked 1,000 yards yet, so I don't even see how one could make the case of him being a better receiver than Crabtree.

Both are injury prone doe.
Originally posted by baltien:
Harvin is more versatile, but Crabs is the better receiver. Harvin hasn't even cracked 1,000 yards yet, so I don't even see how one could make the case of him being a better receiver than Crabtree.

Both are injury prone doe.

Both are arguably injury prone but this is the first time that Crabtree has actually missed regular season games due to injury despite his offseason woes
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Crabtree is a very good reciever, has shown to be a clutch go to guy, but he's not a gamebreaker. to try and compare the two guys is impossible, they have totally different games, and play totally different roles.

they're both very good recievers, i personally think Harvin brings more to the table as far as playmaking abilties and moving the chains. he can do it with short crossing passes, rushing, or 20 yrd patterns. neither guys is going to burn you over the top, they're going to nickle and dime you all the way down the field. but harvin has the abitlity to take a 5 yrd pass and take it to the house, Crabtree does not... And to me that's the difference... Personally i'd love to have either one of them. Crabtree is the better pure reciever, but Harvin is the better all around athlete/football player.
Obviously you don't remember the 5 yard pass Crab turned into a 40 yard TD against NE last year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000112531/Crabtree-38-yard-TD-catch

Hawkervision.....believing everything .nut tells you without actually looking things up.

golden tate and balwdin have done that as well, doesn't mean they're a threat to do it everytime they touch the ball Harvin is, crapbtree is not.. no dig on him it's just a fact..
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
When it comes to moving the chains Crabtree is chief. He will own Harvin as a number 1 WR. Crabtree gets that YAC. Crabtree catches in traffic over the middle and is especially adept doing it on both intermediate and deep crossing routes. Crabtree is more physical and has better hands. And like you said Crabtree is more clutch on 3rd downs, redzone and end game. Then when you add Boldin we have 2 of them like that. Harvin is faster he is more explosive he is more versatile he is the swiss army knife but he is not worth number 1 WR money when he is no consistent threat on the outside. Crabtree is a 1 and Harvin is a gimmick. Yes I would gladly take him as a 49er and be giddy over him as well but I would take Crabtree for our offense over Harvin any day.

Disclaimer: If I were SEA, I would prefer Harvin over Crabtree because of the Russell Wilson dynamic present. Wilson excels on the play after the called play. Wilson scrambles about on broken plays making magic happen and this is where Harvin can do real damage on the scramble drills where he can get the ball with open space and .... Lookout! I think that Harvin can be worth every penny to SEA because they have Wilson at QB and because of the way that Wilson thrives off organized chaos


i disagree, Harvin is much more physical with the ball in his hands, and is much better at YAC, he was leading the league in YAC last season before the injury. Find it funny the two things he excells in, you've managed to discredit him for it? I'd be more than happy to post stats and vids to back up my claim if you like..
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
When it comes to moving the chains Crabtree is chief. He will own Harvin as a number 1 WR. Crabtree gets that YAC. Crabtree catches in traffic over the middle and is especially adept doing it on both intermediate and deep crossing routes. Crabtree is more physical and has better hands. And like you said Crabtree is more clutch on 3rd downs, redzone and end game. Then when you add Boldin we have 2 of them like that. Harvin is faster he is more explosive he is more versatile he is the swiss army knife but he is not worth number 1 WR money when he is no consistent threat on the outside. Crabtree is a 1 and Harvin is a gimmick. Yes I would gladly take him as a 49er and be giddy over him as well but I would take Crabtree for our offense over Harvin any day.

Disclaimer: If I were SEA, I would prefer Harvin over Crabtree because of the Russell Wilson dynamic present. Wilson excels on the play after the called play. Wilson scrambles about on broken plays making magic happen and this is where Harvin can do real damage on the scramble drills where he can get the ball with open space and .... Lookout! I think that Harvin can be worth every penny to SEA because they have Wilson at QB and because of the way that Wilson thrives off organized chaos


i disagree, Harvin is much more physical with the ball in his hands, and is much better at YAC, he was leading the league in YAC last season before the injury. Find it funny the two things he excells in, you've managed to discredit him for it? I'd be more than happy to post stats and vids to back up my claim if you like..

That also depends on how he gets the ball. He caught passes from lining up in the backfield and had designed screens for him. YAC decreases for WR when they are purely from receptions from the WR position and not from some 3rd down back position or a bunch of screen passes. He is strong but Crabtree is also surprisingly strong.
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
When it comes to moving the chains Crabtree is chief. He will own Harvin as a number 1 WR. Crabtree gets that YAC. Crabtree catches in traffic over the middle and is especially adept doing it on both intermediate and deep crossing routes. Crabtree is more physical and has better hands. And like you said Crabtree is more clutch on 3rd downs, redzone and end game. Then when you add Boldin we have 2 of them like that. Harvin is faster he is more explosive he is more versatile he is the swiss army knife but he is not worth number 1 WR money when he is no consistent threat on the outside. Crabtree is a 1 and Harvin is a gimmick. Yes I would gladly take him as a 49er and be giddy over him as well but I would take Crabtree for our offense over Harvin any day.

Disclaimer: If I were SEA, I would prefer Harvin over Crabtree because of the Russell Wilson dynamic present. Wilson excels on the play after the called play. Wilson scrambles about on broken plays making magic happen and this is where Harvin can do real damage on the scramble drills where he can get the ball with open space and .... Lookout! I think that Harvin can be worth every penny to SEA because they have Wilson at QB and because of the way that Wilson thrives off organized chaos


i disagree, Harvin is much more physical with the ball in his hands, and is much better at YAC, he was leading the league in YAC last season before the injury. Find it funny the two things he excells in, you've managed to discredit him for it? I'd be more than happy to post stats and vids to back up my claim if you like..

Watch the games Hawk. As a WR Crabtree is the more explosive per catch last year it looked to me. I thought he was averaging more yards per catch and he finished all of his receptions breaking tackles and falling forward. The physicality I am referencing in Crabtree came in his catches in traffic and over the middle and his blocking. Harvin is not that guy from what I have seen when we played him. Crabtree is a WR and Harvin is a gimmick swiss army knife
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Oct 27, 2013 at 7:44 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
That also depends on how he gets the ball. He caught passes from lining up in the backfield and had designed screens for him. YAC decreases for WR when they are purely from receptions from the WR position and not from some 3rd down back position or a bunch of screen passes. He is strong but Crabtree is also surprisingly strong.

This but Crabtree doesn't break like glass when he is hit. This is Crabtree first time missing games as a 49er due to injury in his 5 year career
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Oct 27, 2013 at 7:40 AM ]
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Crabtree is a very good reciever, has shown to be a clutch go to guy, but he's not a gamebreaker. to try and compare the two guys is impossible, they have totally different games, and play totally different roles.

they're both very good recievers, i personally think Harvin brings more to the table as far as playmaking abilties and moving the chains. he can do it with short crossing passes, rushing, or 20 yrd patterns. neither guys is going to burn you over the top, they're going to nickle and dime you all the way down the field. but harvin has the abitlity to take a 5 yrd pass and take it to the house, Crabtree does not... And to me that's the difference... Personally i'd love to have either one of them. Crabtree is the better pure reciever, but Harvin is the better all around athlete/football player.
Obviously you don't remember the 5 yard pass Crab turned into a 40 yard TD against NE last year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000112531/Crabtree-38-yard-TD-catch

Hawkervision.....believing everything .nut tells you without actually looking things up.

golden tate and balwdin have done that as well, doesn't mean they're a threat to do it everytime they touch the ball Harvin is, crapbtree is not.. no dig on him it's just a fact..

Good point. I'm going to start stating my opinion and say, "it's just a fact", too, and see how far it gets me.

The world isn't round! No offense, Pythagoras, it's just a fact.

That's you. That's what you sound like.
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
When it comes to moving the chains Crabtree is chief. He will own Harvin as a number 1 WR. Crabtree gets that YAC. Crabtree catches in traffic over the middle and is especially adept doing it on both intermediate and deep crossing routes. Crabtree is more physical and has better hands. And like you said Crabtree is more clutch on 3rd downs, redzone and end game. Then when you add Boldin we have 2 of them like that. Harvin is faster he is more explosive he is more versatile he is the swiss army knife but he is not worth number 1 WR money when he is no consistent threat on the outside. Crabtree is a 1 and Harvin is a gimmick. Yes I would gladly take him as a 49er and be giddy over him as well but I would take Crabtree for our offense over Harvin any day.

Disclaimer: If I were SEA, I would prefer Harvin over Crabtree because of the Russell Wilson dynamic present. Wilson excels on the play after the called play. Wilson scrambles about on broken plays making magic happen and this is where Harvin can do real damage on the scramble drills where he can get the ball with open space and .... Lookout! I think that Harvin can be worth every penny to SEA because they have Wilson at QB and because of the way that Wilson thrives off organized chaos


i disagree, Harvin is much more physical with the ball in his hands, and is much better at YAC, he was leading the league in YAC last season before the injury. Find it funny the two things he excells in, you've managed to discredit him for it? I'd be more than happy to post stats and vids to back up my claim if you like..

There's the kicker. What good are you if you're not playing. Crabtree's injury was a freak incident; With Harvin, it's become a cardinal trait.
Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Crabtree is a very good reciever, has shown to be a clutch go to guy, but he's not a gamebreaker. to try and compare the two guys is impossible, they have totally different games, and play totally different roles.

they're both very good recievers, i personally think Harvin brings more to the table as far as playmaking abilties and moving the chains. he can do it with short crossing passes, rushing, or 20 yrd patterns. neither guys is going to burn you over the top, they're going to nickle and dime you all the way down the field. but harvin has the abitlity to take a 5 yrd pass and take it to the house, Crabtree does not... And to me that's the difference... Personally i'd love to have either one of them. Crabtree is the better pure reciever, but Harvin is the better all around athlete/football player.
Obviously you don't remember the 5 yard pass Crab turned into a 40 yard TD against NE last year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000112531/Crabtree-38-yard-TD-catch

Hawkervision.....believing everything .nut tells you without actually looking things up.

golden tate and balwdin have done that as well, doesn't mean they're a threat to do it everytime they touch the ball Harvin is, crapbtree is not.. no dig on him it's just a fact..

Good point. I'm going to start stating my opinion and say, "it's just a fact", too, and see how far it gets me.

The world isn't round! No offense, Pythagoras, it's just a fact.

That's you. That's what you sound like.

I guess blocking doesn't factor into this argument. Crabtree with Kap as his QB has been a way different player and a much better all around WR IMO. I take Crab all day
if I want to pay a guy a sh*tload of money and him not even play then I choose harvin
A question to ask is: between Harvin and Crabtree, who will have a more effective season or be more to form once back on the field? Considering the injuries they're coming off of (hip and Achilles) that will affect there play and the amount of time they've had to practice etc.
[ Edited by VectorGoal on Nov 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM ]
I guess we're going to find out the answer to this question in the next few weeks.
Originally posted by English:
This one can stay locked up for a few days. Meantime if it spills out into other threads I will just drive the banmobile through.

seahawks thread gets locked
seahawks brick thread also gets locked
IBTL
Originally posted by xtm059:
Originally posted by English:
This one can stay locked up for a few days. Meantime if it spills out into other threads I will just drive the banmobile through.

seahawks thread gets locked
seahawks brick thread also gets locked
IBTL

Ban mode is engaged. Lock selected.

But as long as people stay on subject and don't get unpleasant it's ok.