Originally posted by jonesadrian:
i disagree with your outlook completely.
the loss was in the game plan. the defense was stellar. you can't turn the ball over 4 times on offense while going 3 and out and expect to keep them off the scoreboard at home.
look at the stats... Wilson was 8-19 for 149 yards and a td.. with an int. that's hardly having our number. he never has great stats against us, he just gets a short field to work with due to turnovers.
also they stuffed the run because we didn't give an effort to do it. seattle ran it 47 times for a 3 yard per carry average, that isn't lighting it up. they broke some and got tackled for losses on some but they KEPT RUNNING.
if i tell you that we hold lynch under 100, and wilson goes 8-19 we should win that game...
seattle didn't even have 300 yards of total offense..
HOWEVER when you constantly turn the ball over this is what happens. they piled on points at the end with short fields and had one drive where we had bone head penalties that's it.
so if our defense punished them like they did how aren't they as big fast or strong?
now offensively. we didn't try to run. we ran cute plays, we didn't run whams we didn't run traps we didn't pull guards. we didn't try to run the ball. again the teams that beat us are the teams that do what we're supposed to do while we do something else. 20 carries and 9 of them by kap?
1st get under center and hand the ball off and power them
spread them out totally and test their db's what happened to the bunch formation we ran just last week?
how doesn't a bunch wr screen work against man to man coverage? it does.
the plan was horrible. it was not personnel
they don't go 5 defensive backs deep. they don't even go 4.
no linebacker they have can cover vernon so why wouldn't we make sure one is on him?
why wouldn't we challenge them and get into a run package and have mcdonald and davis line up both capable of blocking and catching passes?
why wouldn't we run in the red zone instead of shotgun spreading it out?
and these are red zone issues we have with every team
Seattle is a good team a worthy foe but they don't have our number. they simply played 2 games in seattle. last season was a perfect storm.
Tonight the offense failed us due to game plan not personnel.
We can't even judge how they would do with our personnel cause for whatever reason the coaches don't like to use them..
why aren't patton and more getting more reps? why isn't mcdonald in all the time with davis?
why did hunter only get in in the 4th quarter for 1 snap when the game was totally out of reach?
this wasn't us at our best and prepared and they destroyed us.
like i said playing horrible we were down 12-3 with the ball in the 4th quarter..
Kap had his worst night as a pro. 60% of that was on him. 40% was on jim and greg for the plan they thought would work which didn't
You know what ? All the stats you looked at, you forgot the most important of all - the score. Sure you can put blame on the turnovers which is valid, but what is even more important is what caused it ? Simple, we just couldn't move the ball against them which leads to your point about the game plan.
I don't disagree with you on changing up the schemes and game plan cos heck at this point we need to try anything. But, I doubt we could effectively run against them. Kap should have started to run from the start, be it design runs or scrambles to help to gain yards and open up looks for Frank to run up their gut. Kap's reluctance to run basically killed us tonight. Once Frank couldn't run and Kap couldn't throw with the WRs covered, we just couldn't move the chains and thus the non-stop 3 and outs.
But, personnel factors in. Our RB corps is too weak. Frank is getting on and if the lanes are shut down he is not fast enough to run on the outside. Hunter is too small, not particularly explosive and lacks power. LMJ is a worse version of Hunter. What we need are big power backs with speed and explosiveness who can really power through.
As for WRs, if their secondary is as good as it is, you really need top wideouts who can both burn and out-physical them. Look at Falcons, Julio and Roddy can do it against them no problem. But, these are big and fast premium high 1st round top picks. In other words, it requires proper investment and an aggressive drafting strategy to make that possible.
DBs, I don't think you need me to tell you how superior their personnel are comparing to our guys. Big, tall, fast and can play press coverage.
The O-lines and D-lines are probably quite close, but at least they could run on us a bit, partially helped by how powerful Beast Mode is.
Then, the QBs, as good as Kap is he gets flustered. Wilson is far more calm and collected plus he can also make all the throws. His darts might not be as fast as Kap's, but his touch passes, fades and deep balls are arguably better than Kap's.
That pretty much covers it.
I don't know where will we go from here, probably not much will change cos in general we do OK with most teams. Only a handful of teams give us problems, Giants, Rams and most of all Seahawks. At this point, I am inclined to say the Seahawks will continue to have our number until proven otherwise, that is my stance. I just feel I have seen more than enough in the past 2 games. It was total domination. Period. Remember they don't need 500 offensive yards to dominate us, when we have non-stop 3 and outs with our D not being able to get off the field, they can just take their own sweet time to pick us apart aided by our turnovers as we get pressurized to score.
One thing we forgot to mention is injuries, is it just a coincidence that in both games we suffered multiple injuries ? I think not. They play with an attitude and extreme physicality. We just can't handle that kind of beating. Our guys are not exactly softies such as Ray McDonald and Eric Reid, but they are just one level up from us.
With that said, I guess the home game in December should give us the definitive answer. In my opinion, unless we repay the favour and blow them out at the Stick, a win by a few points still say to me they are better than us, be it in terms of personnel or as you suggest game planning. So, we shall see.
[ Edited by Rascal on Sep 16, 2013 at 5:28 AM ]