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Should the NFL take steps to reduce crowd noise in stadiums

Should the NFL take steps to reduce crowd noise in stadiums

Originally posted by Shawnsim:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Could be piped or not...but it's the stadium that holds in the sound....I'm willing to bet if we put a normal 9er crowd in that stadium for a game and we will probably set a record that couldn't be broken.

You could be right. And yes the stadium is designed that way. However; you cannot design fans. FWIW. When have you seen your fans just going ape shirt crazy over your team?

The Kingdome started this and, it carried on into Husky stadium. Now it is here. After 30+ years how can anyone deny that it is real?

you think your fans are the only ones to act a fool at games ? lol
Originally posted by Shawnsim:
Alright, lets talk about feedback.

Feedback occurs when a plugged in source gets too close to its output. I.e. a guitarist gets too close to his amp when his gains and levels are pushed to the max. Feedback. Feedback occurs when a singer gets too close to the microphone when levels and gains are pushed..

To put it in a certain perspective.

The crowd was so loud that the announcer had to turn it up to 11 and fed back every time he got near the microphone.

It is not rocket science

For the crowd to produce feedback. 1. the crowd would be holding an electric device hooked up to a PA or amp and be in close proximity to it.

Come on. How likely is that.

I did not at any point say that the feedback was from the crowd. The feedback was from the crowd noise being pumped through the pa system at such a loud level that the broadcast mics were picking it up and creating a feedback loop. When you are dealing with stadium sized systems pushing thousands of watts, the mics don't have to be that close. It is a problem I have had to deal with many times in the past twenty years. The way you would ideally execute the pumping of the crowd noise is to place omnidirectional microphones away from the speakers as far as possible, then you'd gradually increase the gain structure in the matrix when you wanted that extra 10-12 db that these record setting stadiums magically produce. The part that makes me skeptical is that extra 10 or so db that cannot possibly come from human vocal chords. Otherwise the broadcast mic explanation might be feasible. But then we have that inexplicable db gain as the fly in the ointment...

Thanks for the lesson on feedback though, after mixing sound for 20+ years I was beginning to think I would NEVER figure it out.
[ Edited by Memphis9er on Dec 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Shawnsim:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Could be piped or not...but it's the stadium that holds in the sound....I'm willing to bet if we put a normal 9er crowd in that stadium for a game and we will probably set a record that couldn't be broken.

You could be right. And yes the stadium is designed that way. However; you cannot design fans. FWIW. When have you seen your fans just going ape shirt crazy over your team?

The Kingdome started this and, it carried on into Husky stadium. Now it is here. After 30+ years how can anyone deny that it is real?

you think your fans are the only ones to act a fool at games ? lol

Lol the Seahawks fans are clearly the best fans ever. They are superior to all other fans. Their stadium noise has everything to do with how great and how loud their fans are. It has nothing to do with the stadium design. No other fan base could produce that noise level at the link. All bow down to the mighty Seahawk fans
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Shawnsim:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Could be piped or not...but it's the stadium that holds in the sound....I'm willing to bet if we put a normal 9er crowd in that stadium for a game and we will probably set a record that couldn't be broken.

You could be right. And yes the stadium is designed that way. However; you cannot design fans. FWIW. When have you seen your fans just going ape shirt crazy over your team?

The Kingdome started this and, it carried on into Husky stadium. Now it is here. After 30+ years how can anyone deny that it is real?

you think your fans are the only ones to act a fool at games ? lol

Smug seahawk fans think only their fanbase can be good and loud. Go watch the clip of the catch 3, that was some naturally non GMO crowd noise.
stadium design is for sure a part of it, you still have to be loud to take advantage of it though. niner fans need to ask themselves, if we had a stadium like that and were loud at the games and considered to be the loudest, would we not wear that as a badge of honor? of course we would, whether we were the loudest or it was just the product of a stadium structure doesnt really matter.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
See now that's what homefield advantage should be. Fans should be able to cheer and create a hostile environment that is uncomfortable and intimidating for the opposing team. However, that noise shouldn't be able to get so loud that it directly affects the play on the field. That is when it becomes a serious problem because the fans shouldn't be able to directly influence a game like that. In Seattle, the crowd noise takes away the ability of the opposing team to hear or communicate on offense. That s**t ain't right. You shouldn't be able to just flat out take away one of the senses of the opposing team. That's cheap and a HUGE unfair advantage. They need to install mics in everyone's helmets so the quarterback can at least communicate with his offensive players.

I both agree and disagree. Look. You could easily have what we have. It might take some effort and energy but, it is attainable. As I said before your fan base was killer at our last game. There is no reason why your team cannot recognize you. That is all it took for Seattle.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
See now that's what homefield advantage should be. Fans should be able to cheer and create a hostile environment that is uncomfortable and intimidating for the opposing team. However, that noise shouldn't be able to get so loud that it directly affects the play on the field. That is when it becomes a serious problem because the fans shouldn't be able to directly influence a game like that. In Seattle, the crowd noise takes away the ability of the opposing team to hear or communicate on offense. That s**t ain't right. You shouldn't be able to just flat out take away one of the senses of the opposing team. That's cheap and a HUGE unfair advantage. They need to install mics in everyone's helmets so the quarterback can at least communicate with his offensive players.
Originally posted by crabman82:
stadium design is for sure a part of it, you still have to be loud to take advantage of it though. niner fans need to ask themselves, if we had a stadium like that and were loud at the games and considered to be the loudest, would we not wear that as a badge of honor? of course we would, whether we were the loudest or it was just the product of a stadium structure doesnt really matter.

true, but we are smart enough to know that and wouldn't think we are the best fan base in the universe
As others have mentioned, just install speakers in ALL of the offensive players helmets. Let the fans go crazy, break noise-level records and have a blast, but have it be irrelevant to the ACTUAL play on the field. Let the skill/preparation of the teams and the players be the ultimate deciding factor, not the design of the stadium or the fans seated in it.
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by Kauaiguy:
The NFL refs used to control noise and would penalize a team if the crowd doesn't lower the noise level. Somewhere along the line that rule stopped and I don't think it's fair for everyone and especially for those that don't play in a domed stadium.

As far as I'm concerned, this has NOTHING to do with the players' ability to play football. What if every team that doesn't own a domed stadium are allowed to put in several loud speakers and to pump up the volume, as well as allow the fans to bring in their boom boxes?

I'm just waiting for that 1st person who lost their hearing to sue the Seahawks and the NFL for not controlling the crowd noise. I'm sure that's bound to happen at some point. It only takes one to win their case for others to follow.

on the back on concert tickets, there is fine print that says something about the assumption of risk with your hearing at a loud show. maybe there is similar language on the back of tickets to sporting events

Disclaimers like that don't hold up in court. One example, one venue I worked on Beale Street posted signs saying "stagediving is prohibited, injuries incurred are not the responsibility of management/ownership". We had the Breeders in one night and this idiot climbs 30 feet up on top of the pa stack and jumps into the crowd. Of course everyone who saw it coming got out of this genius' way and he went full force onto the concrete dance floor. He was messed up bad and despite the disclaimer, the judge ruled the club at fault for his injuries.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by crabman82:
stadium design is for sure a part of it, you still have to be loud to take advantage of it though. niner fans need to ask themselves, if we had a stadium like that and were loud at the games and considered to be the loudest, would we not wear that as a badge of honor? of course we would, whether we were the loudest or it was just the product of a stadium structure doesnt really matter.

true, but we are smart enough to know that and wouldn't think we are the best fan base in the universe

while some would be level headed and think that. you cant deny there would be the segment who takes the rub as "the loudest fans" and totally runs with it. we have fans who canted WE WANT CARR, lets not over sell our intelligence.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
As others have mentioned, just install speakers in ALL of the offensive players helmets. Let the fans go crazy, break noise-level records and have a blast, but have it be irrelevant to the ACTUAL play on the field. Let the skill/preparation of the teams and the players be the ultimate deciding factor, not the design of the stadium or the fans seated in it.

Yes indeed, that it so much effects the game itself is why I don't like it. Win because you have the better team, not because your opponent can't execute due to artificially enhanced noise levels or stadium design.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Lol the Seahawks fans are clearly the best fans ever. They are superior to all other fans. Their stadium noise has everything to do with how great and how loud their fans are. It has nothing to do with the stadium design. No other fan base could produce that noise level at the link. All bow down to the mighty Seahawk fans

Yep we are. The sooner you get over it the better you will feel.
Originally posted by crabman82:
while some would be level headed and think that. you cant deny there would be the segment who takes the rub as "the loudest fans" and totally runs with it. we have fans who canted WE WANT CARR, lets not over sell our intelligence.

Every team has it's share of idiot fans, this retarded billboard b******t comes immediately to mind...
Originally posted by Shawnsim:
Yep we are. The sooner you get over it the better you will feel.

Certainly have the market cornered on both smugness and delusion.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
As others have mentioned, just install speakers in ALL of the offensive players helmets. Let the fans go crazy, break noise-level records and have a blast, but have it be irrelevant to the ACTUAL play on the field. Let the skill/preparation of the teams and the players be the ultimate deciding factor, not the design of the stadium or the fans seated in it.

I agree! It's ok to be loud but it's a real disadvantage when the offensive players can't communicate. Problem solved! Also, the fans know that their yelling doesn't matter as much so you'd think they'd be less loud because they'd be wasting their voices for nothing....

Love the idea but then again, I'm not a Hawks fan. I'm sure most Hawks fans would be opposed to this idea because it would offset their HUGE advantage.