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Should the NFL take steps to reduce crowd noise in stadiums

It's fine as is. It's great that the fans can have an impact on the game. You're stadium too quiet? Here's an idea, go to a game and cheer your ass off. It'll help.

The Seahawks are a different issue. It is by far the loudest stadium I've ever been too, and I've been to hundreds of NFL games over the years. Seen fans of all types, but the Seattle fans are actually rather tame.

They are the noisiest in the NFL, you say? b******t. I was at the MNF game against the Saints. I walked all over the stadium and stood and various locations. My observations:

1) There are plenty of fans cheering, but the individuals cheering as you walk by them are not noticably louder than many teams fans.
2) It's not a very hostile envirnoment. I was wearing niner gear head to toe and maybe caught a half dozen cutsie comments along the lines of "You're at the wrong game". Nothing remotely threatening. So, you feel pretty comfortable going to a Seahawks game as an opposting theam fans. Therefore, there are plenty of opposing teams fans at their games (far more than at niner games) and they do not make noice when their offense is operating.
3) There is an insane level of noise than emantes from under the covered sections.
4) The people in that section do not appear any more rabid that the rest of the folks in the stadium (in fact the endzone appears to have the craziest and loudest fans)
5) It's a specific noice that emanates from these covered areas, kind of like a long "ooooooooohhhhh" sound
6) As the opposing team huddles, breaks the huddle and the qb goes through pre snap reads, this "ooohhh" sound consistently gets louder. This happens even though the people that were cheering were already cheering. They are not noiticably or magically louder
7) The consistentcy of the lounder "ooohhh" sound is unreal, some would say inhuman....
8) A multiplicity of speakers line the inside of both overhangs pointed back at the crowd, such that if say you pumped that sound through the speakers, gently turning up the volume as the play clock winds down the sound would bounce off the crowd and towards the field, thus explaining the the covered portion of the field generates the vast majority of the noise.

My conclusion: The Seahawks, without a doubt, in my opinion, pump in crowd noise through those speakers.
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
This thread is like the .Nutters complaining about Gore not wearing kneepads. If the Stick was this loud we would all take great pride in it and laugh at the notion of trying to impose noise restrictions.

this
yes because feck the seahawks.
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If they truly pump in crowd noise then yes they should b fined, lose a draft pick and unable to cheat anymore. If not just deal wit it.
Originally posted by Robert:
It's fine as is. It's great that the fans can have an impact on the game. You're stadium too quiet? Here's an idea, go to a game and cheer your ass off. It'll help.

The Seahawks are a different issue. It is by far the loudest stadium I've ever been too, and I've been to hundreds of NFL games over the years. Seen fans of all types, but the Seattle fans are actually rather tame.

They are the noisiest in the NFL, you say? b******t. I was at the MNF game against the Saints. I walked all over the stadium and stood and various locations. My observations:

1) There are plenty of fans cheering, but the individuals cheering as you walk by them are not noticably louder than many teams fans.
2) It's not a very hostile envirnoment. I was wearing niner gear head to toe and maybe caught a half dozen cutsie comments along the lines of "You're at the wrong game". Nothing remotely threatening. So, you feel pretty comfortable going to a Seahawks game as an opposting theam fans. Therefore, there are plenty of opposing teams fans at their games (far more than at niner games) and they do not make noice when their offense is operating.
3) There is an insane level of noise than emantes from under the covered sections.
4) The people in that section do not appear any more rabid that the rest of the folks in the stadium (in fact the endzone appears to have the craziest and loudest fans)
5) It's a specific noice that emanates from these covered areas, kind of like a long "ooooooooohhhhh" sound
6) As the opposing team huddles, breaks the huddle and the qb goes through pre snap reads, this "ooohhh" sound consistently gets louder. This happens even though the people that were cheering were already cheering. They are not noiticably or magically louder
7) The consistentcy of the lounder "ooohhh" sound is unreal, some would say inhuman....
8) A multiplicity of speakers line the inside of both overhangs pointed back at the crowd, such that if say you pumped that sound through the speakers, gently turning up the volume as the play clock winds down the sound would bounce off the crowd and towards the field, thus explaining the the covered portion of the field generates the vast majority of the noise.

My conclusion: The Seahawks, without a doubt, in my opinion, pump in crowd noise through those speakers.

i've been to oh i'd say a couple hundred more seahawk games than you (probably much more) dating all the way back to the kingdome up through the husky stadium days, and all the way up to this year, and i can say nothing in your post is true about the fans cheering, i mean absolutely nothing. Hell anyone can just look at actual game footage to call your BS. As far as the pumped in noise claim, we've been researched and investigated on several occasions and the LEAGUE deemed it not so every time.. If that's not enough for you, please explain to me, because i'm not an expert on sound by any means, but how does that pumped in sound reach the field, when every speaker in the stadium faces the crowd? Another question, Guiness has been there twice this year, don't you think they'd notice if the stadium was cranking in noise during those record attempts?

My conclusion: you're entire post is false. try talking to the average seahawk fan walking out of the stadium, chances are they're probably not going to have much of a voice.
[ Edited by hawker84 on Dec 13, 2013 at 10:48 PM ]
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Originally posted by hawker84:
Here is what I would propose:Speaker/Microphone for the playersDo not permit the stadium operator to tell the crowd to get loudAll stadiums must be reviewed by league office for noise. Enclosed stadiums must include sound dampening technology to reduce the noise to a more tolerable level.Seattle and possibly dome teams may be required to retrofit stadiums to use sound dampening technology, funded by the league office.


If that's the case then:

All baseball stadiums should have the same dimensions, all fences the same length from homeplate
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All football teams should be forced to use domes for climate control and make them all use sound dampening technology.

All football teams should be forced to use field turf

Get rid of the designated hitter rule in the American league, or add it to the National league.

Stop people from cheering and waving squiggly things during freethrow attempts.

I could go on.

Point i'm trying to make is, every sport/sport team has advantages and disadvantages, is it fair to limit teams advantages, or is it fair to force other teams to step up and compete? In other words SF is building a beautiful new stadium, whey didn't the owner tell the architect i want it loud like KC and Seattle?

maybe not the greatest example. One more thing you guys seem to miss is, while the opposing team is struggling to hear on offense, our team is calling plays and adjustments at the line in that very same noise on defense. So it works both ways.
Sorry, I am not seeing how your oddball list applies. The home team would still have an advantage. You see it in all sports, even when there is not excessive noise (or no communication is required). Teams just play better when the fans are cheering.

"is it fair to limit teams advantages, or is it fair to force other teams to step up and compete?"
Yes, it is fair to limit excessive advantages where it makes sense. The game is supposed to be played on the field, not in the stands. Maybe the 49ers should ask the league to allow their fans to use vuvuzelas, and then when someone complains, tell them to step up and compete.

"In other words SF is building a beautiful new stadium, whey didn't the owner tell the architect i want it loud like KC and Seattle?"
Maybe because it doesn't enhance the fan experience (aka permanent damage to ears)? Maybe because it is a cheesy way to win?

"One more thing you guys seem to miss is, while the opposing team is struggling to hear on offense, our team is calling plays and adjustments at the line in that very same noise on defense"
It is much easier to play defense in a loud stadium than offense. 49er defense plays well with the noise (granted less noise when Seattle is on offense).

Just think if fans actually went to the game to enjoy the game as opposed to trying to help their team win? You wouldn't get ear damage. You wouldn't leave the game hoarse. The way things are now, I would rather stay at home and watch the game.
Oh you must be one of the petitioners. It all makes sense now. i bet you're a member of the home owners association as well, walking around telling neighbors their grass is too tall.. JMO but fans like you are the worst, and i mean the worst. it's bad enough to have Goodell pussifyin the league, but now we have to deal with pussified fans as well.

maybe fans like you are better off staying at home?

why would you need noise makers, you have vocal chords just like everyone else.

Why on earth would any fan want to actually help their team, crazy talk..

You ever heard of earplugs?
[ Edited by hawker84 on Dec 13, 2013 at 11:00 PM ]
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Robert:
It's fine as is. It's great that the fans can have an impact on the game. You're stadium too quiet? Here's an idea, go to a game and cheer your ass off. It'll help.

The Seahawks are a different issue. It is by far the loudest stadium I've ever been too, and I've been to hundreds of NFL games over the years. Seen fans of all types, but the Seattle fans are actually rather tame.

They are the noisiest in the NFL, you say? b******t. I was at the MNF game against the Saints. I walked all over the stadium and stood and various locations. My observations:

1) There are plenty of fans cheering, but the individuals cheering as you walk by them are not noticably louder than many teams fans.
2) It's not a very hostile envirnoment. I was wearing niner gear head to toe and maybe caught a half dozen cutsie comments along the lines of "You're at the wrong game". Nothing remotely threatening. So, you feel pretty comfortable going to a Seahawks game as an opposting theam fans. Therefore, there are plenty of opposing teams fans at their games (far more than at niner games) and they do not make noice when their offense is operating.
3) There is an insane level of noise than emantes from under the covered sections.
4) The people in that section do not appear any more rabid that the rest of the folks in the stadium (in fact the endzone appears to have the craziest and loudest fans)
5) It's a specific noice that emanates from these covered areas, kind of like a long "ooooooooohhhhh" sound
6) As the opposing team huddles, breaks the huddle and the qb goes through pre snap reads, this "ooohhh" sound consistently gets louder. This happens even though the people that were cheering were already cheering. They are not noiticably or magically louder
7) The consistentcy of the lounder "ooohhh" sound is unreal, some would say inhuman....
8) A multiplicity of speakers line the inside of both overhangs pointed back at the crowd, such that if say you pumped that sound through the speakers, gently turning up the volume as the play clock winds down the sound would bounce off the crowd and towards the field, thus explaining the the covered portion of the field generates the vast majority of the noise.

My conclusion: The Seahawks, without a doubt, in my opinion, pump in crowd noise through those speakers.

i've been to oh i'd say a couple hundred more seahawk games than you (probably much more) dating all the way back to the kingdome up through the husky stadium days, and all the way up to this year, and i can say nothing in your post is true about the fans cheering, i mean absolutely nothing. Hell anyone can just look at actual game footage to call your BS. As far as the pumped in noise claim, we've been researched and investigated on several occasions and the LEAGUE deemed it not so every time.. If that's not enough for you, please explain to me, because i'm not an expert on sound by any means, but how does that pumped in sound reach the field, when every speaker in the stadium faces the crowd? Another question, Guiness has been there twice this year, don't you think they'd notice if the stadium was cranking in noise during those record attempts?

My conclusion: you're entire post is false. try talking to the average seahawk fan walking out of the stadium, chances are they're probably not going to have much of a voice.

The guy just made an 8 point list of detailed descriptions to back his point. You gave a vague "nuh uh because I've been to more seahawk games than you" rebuttal. The fact that the speakers face the crowd means that they are screaming toward the sound enhancing structures, therefore reverberating the decibals back toward the field. Like countless people have stated, the fans in seattle don't appear to be cheering any harder than fans at other stadiums. The design of the stadium cannot enhance the sound that much. The only logical way to explain this is that they pump in sound. Guiness doesn't go in an set up state of the art equipment and check the whole system for cheats. They stand on the field with a sound meter and read what is says. lol


The old Niners field reporter for their radio broadcast has said many times that the seattle crew has informed him that they are broadcasting sound noise on the PA. There's simply no way to get to that level of sound without it. And definitely not in an outdoor stadium. You and the rest of the seattle fans can fool yourself all you want, but science proves otherwise.


It's sorta like all us giants fans didn't want to admit that Barry Bonds was juicing. Yeah, he put on a 100 lbs of muscle and was cranking out home runs in games like it was batting practice, but no, he was clean. He just started to work out harder than before! lol
How would the CHEATHAWKS win any more games?
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How would the CHEATHAWKS win any more games?

They'll find some other ways to cheat, their stadium doesn't called The CheatLink for nothing.
Originally posted by hawker84:
Oh you must be one of the petitioners. It all makes sense now. i bet you're a member of the home owners association as well, walking around telling neighbors their grass is too tall.. JMO but fans like you are the worst, and i mean the worst. it's bad enough to have Goodell pussifyin the league, but now we have to deal with pussified fans as well.

maybe fans like you are better off staying at home?

why would you need noise makers, you have vocal chords just like everyone else.

Why on earth would any fan want to actually help their team, crazy talk..

You ever heard of earplugs?

maybe fans like you are better off on your own forum
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Robert:
It's fine as is. It's great that the fans can have an impact on the game. You're stadium too quiet? Here's an idea, go to a game and cheer your ass off. It'll help.

The Seahawks are a different issue. It is by far the loudest stadium I've ever been too, and I've been to hundreds of NFL games over the years. Seen fans of all types, but the Seattle fans are actually rather tame.

They are the noisiest in the NFL, you say? b******t. I was at the MNF game against the Saints. I walked all over the stadium and stood and various locations. My observations:

1) There are plenty of fans cheering, but the individuals cheering as you walk by them are not noticably louder than many teams fans.
2) It's not a very hostile envirnoment. I was wearing niner gear head to toe and maybe caught a half dozen cutsie comments along the lines of "You're at the wrong game". Nothing remotely threatening. So, you feel pretty comfortable going to a Seahawks game as an opposting theam fans. Therefore, there are plenty of opposing teams fans at their games (far more than at niner games) and they do not make noice when their offense is operating.
3) There is an insane level of noise than emantes from under the covered sections.
4) The people in that section do not appear any more rabid that the rest of the folks in the stadium (in fact the endzone appears to have the craziest and loudest fans)
5) It's a specific noice that emanates from these covered areas, kind of like a long "ooooooooohhhhh" sound
6) As the opposing team huddles, breaks the huddle and the qb goes through pre snap reads, this "ooohhh" sound consistently gets louder. This happens even though the people that were cheering were already cheering. They are not noiticably or magically louder
7) The consistentcy of the lounder "ooohhh" sound is unreal, some would say inhuman....
8) A multiplicity of speakers line the inside of both overhangs pointed back at the crowd, such that if say you pumped that sound through the speakers, gently turning up the volume as the play clock winds down the sound would bounce off the crowd and towards the field, thus explaining the the covered portion of the field generates the vast majority of the noise.

My conclusion: The Seahawks, without a doubt, in my opinion, pump in crowd noise through those speakers.

i've been to oh i'd say a couple hundred more seahawk games than you (probably much more) dating all the way back to the kingdome up through the husky stadium days, and all the way up to this year, and i can say nothing in your post is true about the fans cheering, i mean absolutely nothing. Hell anyone can just look at actual game footage to call your BS. As far as the pumped in noise claim, we've been researched and investigated on several occasions and the LEAGUE deemed it not so every time.. If that's not enough for you, please explain to me, because i'm not an expert on sound by any means, but how does that pumped in sound reach the field, when every speaker in the stadium faces the crowd? Another question, Guiness has been there twice this year, don't you think they'd notice if the stadium was cranking in noise during those record attempts?

My conclusion: you're entire post is false. try talking to the average seahawk fan walking out of the stadium, chances are they're probably not going to have much of a voice.

The guy just made an 8 point list of detailed descriptions to back his point. You gave a vague "nuh uh because I've been to more seahawk games than you" rebuttal. The fact that the speakers face the crowd means that they are screaming toward the sound enhancing structures, therefore reverberating the decibals back toward the field. Like countless people have stated, the fans in seattle don't appear to be cheering any harder than fans at other stadiums. The design of the stadium cannot enhance the sound that much. The only logical way to explain this is that they pump in sound. Guiness doesn't go in an set up state of the art equipment and check the whole system for cheats. They stand on the field with a sound meter and read what is says. lol


The old Niners field reporter for their radio broadcast has said many times that the seattle crew has informed him that they are broadcasting sound noise on the PA. There's simply no way to get to that level of sound without it. And definitely not in an outdoor stadium. You and the rest of the seattle fans can fool yourself all you want, but science proves otherwise.


It's sorta like all us giants fans didn't want to admit that Barry Bonds was juicing. Yeah, he put on a 100 lbs of muscle and was cranking out home runs in games like it was batting practice, but no, he was clean. He just started to work out harder than before! lol



LOL exactly. Seahawk fans are in such denial. Great example about Barry Bonds. And what kind of argument is na uh I've been to more seahawk games then you. Lol. I'm sure he checks the speakers to make sure no noise is ever pumped in as well. Its funny that other teams in the league have been caught pumping in extra noise, but the seahawks are without a doubt completely innocent of ever doing such. And they are suddenly breaking noise records every other week? Lol. Just like how Barry Bonds suddenly hit 25 more homers.

And c'mon now, fans cheering and getting loud to support their team is great and a part of the game, but it shouldn't be so loud that the offense can't even hear or communicate. At that point you are directly affecting the play on the field. Its not the two teams pitted against one another anymore. Either speakers should be installed in all helmets, every stadium should be able to produce a similar potential decibel level, and/or the league needs to have officials constantly monitor to make sure no noise is EVER piped in through speakers
Originally posted by hawker84:
i've been to oh i'd say a couple hundred more seahawk games than you (probably much more) dating all the way back to the kingdome up through the husky stadium days, and all the way up to this year, and i can say nothing in your post is true about the fans cheering, i mean absolutely nothing. Hell anyone can just look at actual game footage to call your BS. As far as the pumped in noise claim, we've been researched and investigated on several occasions and the LEAGUE deemed it not so every time.. If that's not enough for you, please explain to me, because i'm not an expert on sound by any means, but how does that pumped in sound reach the field, when every speaker in the stadium faces the crowd? Another question, Guiness has been there twice this year, don't you think they'd notice if the stadium was cranking in noise during those record attempts?

My conclusion: you're entire post is false. try talking to the average seahawk fan walking out of the stadium, chances are they're probably not going to have much of a voice.

Well I am a sound engineer and I can tell you that the 2.5k frequency feedback I heard against the Saints (especially on third downs) is not a product of human vocal chords (Typical male voice is about 80-85 Hz on the fundamental frequency, a typical female is 165-255 Hz) . I can also tell you that the covered part of the stadium over the fan seating is clearly designed to trap and channel the crowd noise onto the playing field. So like it or not Hawker, what your fans are doing at that stadium is nothing more than any other fans could do in it. Hawks fans are nothing special like they claim to be, just another fanbase in a stadium designed to artificially enhance the normal levels of crowd noise. It is an unfair artificial advantage and if it really does get up over 125 db it is a legitimate health hazard to everyone. If you go there frequently I really suggest you wear hearing protection to avoid potential permanent hearing damage. It is worth noting that the world record for loudest human scream is 128 db @ 8 ft, for every doubling of the distance from the noise source the sound pressure levels will be lowered by 6 db. So tell me again how it is possible to hit 138 db with unaided human voices? The math just doesn't add up homie.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by hawker84:
i've been to oh i'd say a couple hundred more seahawk games than you (probably much more) dating all the way back to the kingdome up through the husky stadium days, and all the way up to this year, and i can say nothing in your post is true about the fans cheering, i mean absolutely nothing. Hell anyone can just look at actual game footage to call your BS. As far as the pumped in noise claim, we've been researched and investigated on several occasions and the LEAGUE deemed it not so every time.. If that's not enough for you, please explain to me, because i'm not an expert on sound by any means, but how does that pumped in sound reach the field, when every speaker in the stadium faces the crowd? Another question, Guiness has been there twice this year, don't you think they'd notice if the stadium was cranking in noise during those record attempts?

My conclusion: you're entire post is false. try talking to the average seahawk fan walking out of the stadium, chances are they're probably not going to have much of a voice.

Well I am a sound engineer and I can tell you that the 2.5k frequency feedback I heard against the Saints (especially on third downs) is not a product of human vocal chords (Typical male voice is about 80-85 Hz on the fundamental frequency, a typical female is 165-255 Hz) . I can also tell you that the covered part of the stadium over the fan seating is clearly designed to trap and channel the crowd noise onto the playing field. So like it or not Hawker, what your fans are doing at that stadium is nothing more than any other fans could do in it. Hawks fans are nothing special like they claim to be, just another fanbase in a stadium designed to artificially enhance the normal levels of crowd noise. It is an unfair artificial advantage and if it really does get up over 125 db it is a legitimate health hazard to everyone. If you go there frequently I really suggest you wear hearing protection to avoid potential permanent hearing damage. It is worth noting that the world record for loudest human scream is 128 db @ 8 ft, for every doubling of the distance from the noise source the sound pressure levels will be lowered by 6 db. So tell me again how it is possible to hit 138 db with unaided human voices? The math just doesn't add up homie.

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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Well I am a sound engineer and I can tell you that the 2.5k frequency feedback I heard against the Saints (especially on third downs) is not a product of human vocal chords (Typical male voice is about 80-85 Hz on the fundamental frequency, a typical female is 165-255 Hz) . I can also tell you that the covered part of the stadium over the fan seating is clearly designed to trap and channel the crowd noise onto the playing field. So like it or not Hawker, what your fans are doing at that stadium is nothing more than any other fans could do in it. Hawks fans are nothing special like they claim to be, just another fanbase in a stadium designed to artificially enhance the normal levels of crowd noise. It is an unfair artificial advantage and if it really does get up over 125 db it is a legitimate health hazard to everyone. If you go there frequently I really suggest you wear hearing protection to avoid potential permanent hearing damage. It is worth noting that the world record for loudest human scream is 128 db @ 8 ft, for every doubling of the distance from the noise source the sound pressure levels will be lowered by 6 db. So tell me again how it is possible to hit 138 db with unaided human voices? The math just doesn't add up homie.

Good s**t.

I do find it kinda funny that the Chiefs, who have been respected for years as having the loudest fans, suddenly pale in comparison to the cheaters up north. I swear I remember when the stadium was built it was common knowledge that it was built to enhance crowd noise.

Unfortunately I don't think anything will be done about it. I feel like the league enjoys the pageantry of it and will allow it to continue because it positively affects their bottom line. Also it keeps the Niners Hawks rivalry close since its so touch to beat them there. If it wasn't for the stadium wed have a huge winning streak over them right now.
[ Edited by Antix on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM ]