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Cam Johnson being traded to Colts???

Ok we've been in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIPgame 2 times the SB an we r goin to quo Hab an Ballke
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Ether:
Don't you guys realize we didnt choose Skuta over Cam Johnson? The reason we traded Cam was because he is better than Skuta. Neither of them were going to be in the LB rotation with Lemonier being the main backup. Cam just had the game of his life and flashed potential. It's not often a 7th round pick from a year ago, coming off an ACL injury fetches his team an equal round pick the next year despite putting career regular season #s of 0 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions. If we could've traded Skuta and kept Cam, we would have. But no one is trading for Skuta.

Then you dump Stupar b/c Skuta can play ILB as well and keep Cam on as a ST player along with Skuta (both very good in this area). We have enough picks next year and a late 7th does nothing for you.

lol you are crying because we just traded a 7th round pick, but you are saying they do nothing?

So you are saying we will get a top 50 player next year in the 7th d/t sickle cell again and he will return MORE next year for us than Cam would have this year, even if just on ST? Rare...

I dont think sickle cell trait is the only reason why he dropped, or that he was ever a top 50 talent no matter what Kiper or McShay have to say. I said before that i was a fan of Cam's since before we drafted him, but Baalke has proven that he can come up with late round gems (Bruce MIller, Daniels). Cam was on the verge of being cut just a couple of weeks ago and now people are acting like we just cut Aldon Smith. He was a 7th round pick, those are supposed to be hard to make the supposedly deepest roster in the league. The fact that we even got anything at all is awesome. Cam had better go buy Max Starks a rolex for parlaying that game into a 53 man roster spot in indy.
Originally posted by 4ML:
NT is going through another over-reaction, once again. I liked Cam, but the dude had a couple of sacks against 3rd stringers and practice squad players. The dude was super inconsistent at the college level.

We have 4 OLBs...we'd be all right.

Everyone knows next years draft class is going to be great. Maybe we can pick up a gem late in the draft. Worth a shot. Cam was the Tolzien of OLBs on this board.
This place cracks me up. He had a great game against a tackle that the Chargers released.
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Originally posted by redrathman:
I see misguided opinions based off poor knowledge and irrational emotional attachment.

I want you to look back through my post history on the zone and find an incorrect talent assessment. You'll find I don't make grandiose positive statements about unproven players because doing so is ignorant to the talent evaluation process of professionals.

When I see a poster specifically call out both Harbaugh and Baalke for their talent evaluation, I find it utterly hilarious that they believe their own opinion is of higher quality than the people the 49ers have hired at millions of dollars per year.

You're a hobbyist and they're professionals. Get over it.
wow, and people think i am on a high horse
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Another interesting tidbit about this trade pointed out by Matt Barrows. This trade means that only two members of our 2012 draft class remain in LMJ and Looney. Guess the front office is trying to take a mulligan on that draft class and still get something out of it long term.

Im just gonna try to forget that draft ever happened at this point and move on. It just ruins my day when i think about it.

No need to worry about that. They are almost all gone now.
I heard on the internet it was a 4th + a 7th? Is that true?

I don't like this move overall. You don't trade away a talent like Cam Johnson who was starting to emerge.
Originally posted by jonr422000:
Ok we've been in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIPgame 2 times the SB an we r goin to quo Hab an Ballke

BuZZB?
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by jonr422000:
Ok we've been in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIPgame 2 times the SB an we r goin to quo Hab an Ballke

BuZZB?
Too many correctly spelled words
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Originally posted by RabidNiner:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
I understand its a business, but I feel like this offseason we've done dirty to so many of our players

Dirty??

"Hey Cam, would you rather ride the bench and probably not dress or go to a team where you have a legitimate shot at significant playing time?"

Seriously. Even his mom liked the move. The chance of him ever becoming a factor, especially since he's not god on special teams (blocked kick not withstanding), were very slim. He wouldn't have suited up for game days. Hard to make much out of a career that way.
Originally posted by RabidNiner:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
I understand its a business, but I feel like this offseason we've done dirty to so many of our players

Dirty??

"Hey Cam, would you rather ride the bench and probably not dress or go to a team where you have a legitimate shot at significant playing time?"

seriously, its not like they all millionares anyways, geez! i don't feel sorry for anyone who plays a game and makes millions lol
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Another interesting tidbit about this trade pointed out by Matt Barrows. This trade means that only two members of our 2012 draft class remain in LMJ and Looney. Guess the front office is trying to take a mulligan on that draft class and still get something out of it long term.

Im just gonna try to forget that draft ever happened at this point and move on. It just ruins my day when i think about it.

But in HarBaalke we trust, right guys? Again, even our FO makes mistakes...therefore it's OK to not only question a move but disagree with it.

NCommand, i agree with you on that point. I actually dont agree with you on Cam, and when you set a standard by trading away haralson for a 7th, you cant really expect to get much more for Cam. But thats besides the current point being discussed i guess.

I was very critical of some of the moves early last offseason, and was trashed a bit for it, BUT, the majority of those criticisms, especially about the draft class and ST were indeed true. Here is the thing, there are always going to be homers to the extreme, that will allow no criticism to go unchallenged, then there are people who are the opposite of that who must bash everything and be critical of everything. Then you have the normal people, that get grouped with the two extremes any time they stray a bit from the current popular opinion of the board. Just the nature of the beast.

I happen to love our FO and coaching staff for the most part, but no they are not perfect, and last offseason was about as bad as it gets in some areas.

And in the end, our FO basically blew an entire draft's worth of picks and our roster still is loaded plus they have 13 picks heading into next year's draft. They made some really bad mistakes but they also didn't keep them around very long either. They made sure they received something in return. If they had repeated the performance in this year's draft, I would be worried. Baalke has proven he is human and makes mistakes. I will accept it.
[ Edited by m_brockalexander on Sep 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM ]
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Originally posted by Ether:
Don't you guys realize we didnt choose Skuta over Cam Johnson? The reason we traded Cam was because he is better than Skuta. Neither of them were going to be in the LB rotation with Lemonier being the main backup. Cam just had the game of his life and flashed potential. It's not often a 7th round pick from a year ago, coming off an ACL injury fetches his team an equal round pick the next year despite putting career regular season #s of 0 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions. If we could've traded Skuta and kept Cam, we would have. But no one is trading for Skuta.

Nonsense. Skuta is a special teams stud. That's what he's here for. The fact that he looks like a decent OLB is bonus. I would bet they'd have made this trade even if he didn't. At least Skuta was succeeding agains people who are still in the NFL. Can't say as much for Max Starks.
People forget that Corey will be the first to replace our starters as relief or otherwise and has looked great against higher competition this training camp than Cam. Cam had one breakout game and that was the last one against the scrubs, so lets keep that in perspective. He also has issues with possible injuries, one of the contingencies of the trade is that he passes a physical which he will. I believe he will be a decent to good player, but will have injury issues in his career.

Although I don't like us letting go some talent in case of injuries. Whoever we have it is always next man up. Skuta was retained because of his versatility to play outside and inside LB as well as ST. Plus if you look at the body of work including training camp and pre games, he had a better pre than Cam.

Then there is the fact that we also have to prepare for the future as next year we will have lots of FA, loading up allows the niners to stay competative. Allows the niners to approach the draft one of three ways, do like we did with Boldin, use them to move up in the draft, or when you have a lot of picks, even if most won't make the team, do it like a crap shoot, one of them will pan out, so the more you have the more likely to find the jewel in the ruff or maybe get lucky and find several, like M. Colston. Plus it allows you to get that player that normally would go undrafted, but that you want and have to try to outbid or be more appealing, those that are good potential but want to go to a team they have better chance with or whatever the circumstance.
Cam was going to be inactive on game day all year. So this doesn't effect us at all. With Aldon, Ahmad, and Corey ahead of him for the foreseeable future. I don't know how he would ever see the field.

Baalke gets another 7th. He has a pretty decent record with late rd picks. Also pick up Harper, a 4th rounder this year. Most of our WRs are free agents next year. Harper could jump into the mix at some point.
This trade was made in order to add Harper. Harper adds another potential contributor to a position with a bigger question mark. If people want to blame someone for trading away the OLB depth, blame Lemonier. Damn b*****d made Parys and Cam expendable. Skuta, who doesn't impress me too much as a LB, does have value as a ST cover guy, an area of weakness that Baalke made a conscious effort to bolster this offseason.

I will evaluate this trade as Cam, in exchange for IND's 7th + Harper. I know nothing about Harper so it's wait and see. Cam was meh to me till the Chargers game. If OLB depth becomes an issue this season, I'll point to the Parys trade, not the Cam trade.