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  • cciowa
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Originally posted by VA49er:
Thaks for the years and the effort. good luck in NO but not at our expense.

he will probably go over and punch JH in the eye. jamie winborn would have been proud
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
cc - step away from the ledge!!

just have flashbacks i guess to last year when the guys got hurt and we had no option. felt much more comfortable with a vet back there. like many said, the coaches see these guys everyday so what the hell.

I don't think Baalke does this without seeing some real positives from Lemonier... I'm excited about him

(and I picked him in the Draft Pick 'Em )
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I'll say this again....the Chiefs and Vikings left their starters in the game till the third quarter....it wasn't 2nd teamers he was making plays on.

And to all that think that he was gonna get cut....is there a link? Why would Harrelsons contract effect what we do as far as re upping people next year by having him THIS year? Having him as a rotational guy was important to our Super Bowl run this year....of course we all know he wouldn't be here next year....but in all reality 7th rounders get cut alot more tha quality backups...so to get a 7th really doesn't make a difference if we are already stacked with depth.

And to those that say , Harrelson would not have made a difference last year...lol....right. Leaving Aldon and Brooks in all game turned out to be bad, as there was no rush at all at the end of the year and Marvin no one said that Harrelson was gonna play 3-4 DE....lol

The flaw in that type of thinking is assuming this year will be like last year. It won't, we got Skuta and Lemonoir who showed enough to Harbaalke that they felt very comfortable giving away Haralson to the saints. Again we will have 4 OLBs, 4 not 3 not 2, 4. In a pass rush situation Im guessing Lemonoir would get the call to spell Brooks, so where does that leave Haralson? Smith>Brooks>Lemonoir>Skuta>Haralson. Skuta has more value since he also plays special teams. From what Ive seen this preseason, Im very comfortable with our OLB group as they have all made great plays.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I'll say this again....the Chiefs and Vikings left their starters in the game till the third quarter....it wasn't 2nd teamers he was making plays on.

And to all that think that he was gonna get cut....is there a link? Why would Harrelsons contract effect what we do as far as re upping people next year by having him THIS year? Having him as a rotational guy was important to our Super Bowl run this year....of course we all know he wouldn't be here next year....but in all reality 7th rounders get cut alot more tha quality backups...so to get a 7th really doesn't make a difference if we are already stacked with depth.

And to those that say , Harrelson would not have made a difference last year...lol....right. Leaving Aldon and Brooks in all game turned out to be bad, as there was no rush at all at the end of the year and Marvin no one said that Harrelson was gonna play 3-4 DE....lol

The flaw in that type of thinking is assuming this year will be like last year. It won't, we got Skuta and Lemonoir who showed enough to Harbaalke that they felt very comfortable giving away Haralson to the saints. Again we will have 4 OLBs, 4 not 3 not 2, 4. In a pass rush situation Im guessing Lemonoir would get the call to spell Brooks, so where does that leave Haralson? Smith>Brooks>Lemonoir>Skuta>Haralson. Skuta has more value since he also plays special teams. From what Ive seen this preseason, Im very comfortable with our OLB group as they have all made great plays.

Right and I also saw Parys block a punt this pre season to on STs. Skuta is PS material. That's my point.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I keep going over the post in this thread and I still think that some people aren't getting it.

I still see post about Haralson being "worth" more than a 7. If we could only get a 7, why trade him at all? Insert personal rage description here.

The reason you don't get it and the reason you are pissed is that you are approaching this situation from the wrong direction. You are seeing a decent player on the roster and then trying to figure out what he's worth...to you. Here's the problem...

1) The thoughts on how good Haralson is on this forum is way overblown. He was a solid but not spectacular player. Never was much of a pass rusher. Good run defender. All the stuff I read on here how he could have made a difference last year when Aldon and Justin were hurt? Total BS. Haralson doesn't play 3-4 DE and an injured Aldon was still better than a fully healthy Haralson. When did Haralson become so great a player that people would have so much outrage over this?

2) Lemonier has a future with this team. I keep reading this crap about how we are screwed because we only have a 21 year old backup. LOL. When was that EVER a problem? I didn't see people freaking out when Aldon was the backup to Haralson. Why? Haralson wasn't that good and nobody worried about who the backup OLB was...plus Aldon looked good (as does Lemonier). THIS IS HOW YOU DEVELOP A YOUNG PLAYER. You put him in THIS situation where he's the first guy off the bench. It's obvious the Niners really like Lemonier. I've seen nothing that makes me think they shouldn't. As for the argument that he didn't do anything since week 1, you might want to check the statsheet on week 2. Also, in 3 games he's had 32 rushes and pressured the QB 8 times and had 2 sacks. That ain't bad. Are we screwed because we may have a 21-22 year old STARTING as the #2 TE? Are we screwed because we have a 21-22 year old STARTING at FS?

3) The "worth" argument. A player is only ever "worth" what a team is willing to give up for him. ALL factors have an effect on "worth". In this case, worth was dictated by the skill of the player combined with the knowledge that he would likely be released. Lets pretend we are the Saints. You know a team is going to release a good player at a position you need. Are you going to offer the world? No, you offer the smallest compensation you can offer and hope the team takes it because their other option is nothing. That's what happened. Thats how we got Boldin. It works both ways.

4) The argument that they didn't "have" to release Haralson. Of course this is true, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong decision. Nobody here is saying he's not better than Skuta. At issue is the role Skuta plays compared to Haralson. Skuta plays much more on special teams, is younger, and has position flexibility...IE he can play inside or outside. As a pure OLB, Haralson is the better player. This isn't a vacuum tho. People can't seem to see past that OLB part and realize that more goes into a decision than that. ALOT more. Then it becomes a numbers game. If you keep 5 OLB (effectively a third string player), then where do you cut to keep that many OLBs? WR? RB? Do we lose Anthony Dixon (another special teamer) for Haralson? I've seen the suggestion that we only keep 2 TEs...on a team that plays a 2 TE offense...IE, keep a 3rd string OLB and ZERO backup TEs. That makes no sense to me.

5) Maybe, just maybe....the front office knows what they are doing. I'm not saying nobody should ever question them. I've done my fair share in the past. In this regard tho and at this position...I think we should trust them. They clearly like what they see in Lemonier. I do too for that matter.

Tooo Much...logic....cant...deal...grgggllee.
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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
cc - step away from the ledge!!

just have flashbacks i guess to last year when the guys got hurt and we had no option. felt much more comfortable with a vet back there. like many said, the coaches see these guys everyday so what the hell.

I don't think Baalke does this without seeing some real positives from Lemonier... I'm excited about him

(and I picked him in the Draft Pick 'Em )
we sure have gotten good mileage out of most of our draft picks so far this year. makes up for last year already
Folks must be crazy bored these days to be giving this much a crap over Parys Haralson.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I'll say this again....the Chiefs and Vikings left their starters in the game till the third quarter....it wasn't 2nd teamers he was making plays on.

And to all that think that he was gonna get cut....is there a link? Why would Harrelsons contract effect what we do as far as re upping people next year by having him THIS year? Having him as a rotational guy was important to our Super Bowl run this year....of course we all know he wouldn't be here next year....but in all reality 7th rounders get cut alot more tha quality backups...so to get a 7th really doesn't make a difference if we are already stacked with depth.

And to those that say , Harrelson would not have made a difference last year...lol....right. Leaving Aldon and Brooks in all game turned out to be bad, as there was no rush at all at the end of the year and Marvin no one said that Harrelson was gonna play 3-4 DE....lol

The flaw in that type of thinking is assuming this year will be like last year. It won't, we got Skuta and Lemonoir who showed enough to Harbaalke that they felt very comfortable giving away Haralson to the saints. Again we will have 4 OLBs, 4 not 3 not 2, 4. In a pass rush situation Im guessing Lemonoir would get the call to spell Brooks, so where does that leave Haralson? Smith>Brooks>Lemonoir>Skuta>Haralson. Skuta has more value since he also plays special teams. From what Ive seen this preseason, Im very comfortable with our OLB group as they have all made great plays.

Right and I also saw Parys block a punt this pre season to on STs. Skuta is PS material. That's my point.

So then you obviously didnt focus on him this preseason, there is no way anyone would confuse him for PS material if they focused on him against the Chiefs and Vikings.
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Folks must be crazy bored these days to be giving this much a crap over Parys Haralson.

no Alex, no AJ.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Folks must be crazy bored these days to be giving this much a crap over Parys Haralson.

yup I bet some of them even start following his new team as their favorite team now.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I'll say this again....the Chiefs and Vikings left their starters in the game till the third quarter....it wasn't 2nd teamers he was making plays on.

And to all that think that he was gonna get cut....is there a link? Why would Harrelsons contract effect what we do as far as re upping people next year by having him THIS year? Having him as a rotational guy was important to our Super Bowl run this year....of course we all know he wouldn't be here next year....but in all reality 7th rounders get cut alot more tha quality backups...so to get a 7th really doesn't make a difference if we are already stacked with depth.

And to those that say , Harrelson would not have made a difference last year...lol....right. Leaving Aldon and Brooks in all game turned out to be bad, as there was no rush at all at the end of the year and Marvin no one said that Harrelson was gonna play 3-4 DE....lol

The flaw in that type of thinking is assuming this year will be like last year. It won't, we got Skuta and Lemonoir who showed enough to Harbaalke that they felt very comfortable giving away Haralson to the saints. Again we will have 4 OLBs, 4 not 3 not 2, 4. In a pass rush situation Im guessing Lemonoir would get the call to spell Brooks, so where does that leave Haralson? Smith>Brooks>Lemonoir>Skuta>Haralson. Skuta has more value since he also plays special teams. From what Ive seen this preseason, Im very comfortable with our OLB group as they have all made great plays.

Right and I also saw Parys block a punt this pre season to on STs. Skuta is PS material. That's my point.

Skuta was a special teams ace for the bengals. He's our new Costanzo.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Folks must be crazy bored these days to be giving this much a crap over Parys Haralson.

no Alex, no AJ.
Or the God Tolzien. Just not many things for everyone to argue about.
Originally posted by cciowa:
he will probably go over and punch JH in the eye. jamie winborn would have been proud

Originally posted by susweel:
yup I bet some of them even start following his new team as their favorite team now.

this really shakes you up inside that I have an interest in watching KC evolve the way we did from 2011, eh?

how cute..
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by susweel:
yup I bet some of them even start following his new team as their favorite team now.

this really shakes you up inside that I have an interest in watching KC evolve the way we did from 2011, eh?

how cute..

um who's talking about KC ?