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Haralson....

Our FO put Haralson in a position to be a starter for saints whose first 4 games are falcons, Bucs, Cardinals, and Dolphins. I'd say Haralson is the biggest winner.
  • Lifer
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You can only keep 53 guys on the roster. The decisions have already been made about most of these guys and it's clear that Haralson wasn't going to make the 53. Since they're cutting him anyway, a 7th round pick is a bonus. Something is better than nothing.

There's a youth movement afoot in Santa Clara because young equals cheap. This team is going to be configured differently in the future than it is now... because it has to be. By next year, Kap will likely be one of the highest paid players in the league. Aldon is also going to cost us a mint. A mature team - a dynasty type team - is built around a handful of stars with huge contracts. Because the star players take up so much cap space, you have to surround them with a rotating cast of inexpensive supporting players. And that means that, sometimes, very good veteran players have to be let go.

The last couple years, we've had a virtual allstar team with quality players at almost every position. We could afford that luxury because our QB was cheap. Alex Smith was making far less than other QB's with his (2011-12) stats and experience, and Kap is still playing under his rookie contract. Next year, that's going to be very, very different.

Baalke is positioning this team to win now, and in the future. Personally, I like and trust Haralson more than Johnson and Lemonier, but I have to believe that the coaches - who watch them perform 10 times more than you and I do - have a better read on this and truly believe that that the young guys can hold up.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Saved cap room? Traded a player who would likely be released? They like Cam Johnson, Skuta and Lemonier? Lots of reasons for this.

AND SPECIAL TEAMS!!! For Jeebus' sake!! SPECIAL TEAMS!!!

Seriously, I'm seriously worried about our ST coverage and punt/kick-off teams. But yeah, Johnson, Skuta and Lemonier all currently play on the coverage units. But "gunners" is where I'm concerned. We let Lockette walk, Moore won't play gunner if he's a top WR and Osgood and Morris may not even make the team let alone be high enough on the roster to frack the 46 and be active. We let Ginn go (who returned a punt for a TD the other day). Every team we face seems to have one or TWO dynamic returners. And our coverage units even with the aforementioned have looked very poor this pre season. Brad Seely is probably crapping his pants right now esp. coming off a Superbowl loss (b/c of his unit).
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Lemonhead better step up. He's been invisible since the fist preseason game.

I wouldn't say that. But other teams knew who he was after the first series against Denver.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
21 or not, I think Lemonier would provide better pass rush than Haralson. Maybe a small drop in run D and coverage, but if Lem is on the field, I pretty much want him rushing the QB all the time. Plus, it isn't as if Lem received zero experience at dropping into zones at Auburn.

If we were going to cut Haralson anyway, then no one should gripe about getting an extra 7th instead.

Rushing all the time means getting pounded by 325 lbers. lemonhead is 20 lbs lighter than aldon. So he will get beat up faster. Too bad we don't have a vet to split time with him.
Originally posted by Lifer:
You can only keep 53 guys on the roster. The decisions have already been made about most of these guys and it's clear that Haralson wasn't going to make the 53. Since they're cutting him anyway, a 7th round pick is a bonus. Something is better than nothing.

There's a youth movement afoot in Santa Clara because young equals cheap. This team is going to be configured differently in the future than it is now... because it has to be. By next year, Kap will likely be one of the highest paid players in the league. Aldon is also going to cost us a mint. A mature team - a dynasty type team - is built around a handful of stars with huge contracts. Because the star players take up so much cap space, you have to surround them with a rotating cast of inexpensive supporting players. And that means that, sometimes, very good veteran players have to be let go.

The last couple years, we've had a virtual allstar team with quality players at almost every position. We could afford that luxury because our QB was cheap. Alex Smith was making far less than other QB's with his (2011-12) stats and experience, and Kap is still playing under his rookie contract. Next year, that's going to be very, very different.

Baalke is positioning this team to win now, and in the future. Personally, I like and trust Haralson more than Johnson and Lemonier, but I have to believe that the coaches - who watch them perform 10 times more than you and I do - have a better read on this and truly believe that that the young guys can hold up.

Excellent post and spot on IMHO. This FO is taking a Bill Walsh-approach to building up the roster...with one difference...he's getting SOMETHING for the older players at the right time (Alex Smith, AJ, Haralson, etc.). Don't be surprised if we see more players such as Gray, Cooper, Morris, Johnson, heck, even Hampton or Scheplar make the team over veterans this year. This FO puts the onus on the coaching staff to properly develop these kids...see Ian Williams, Alex Boone & Daniel Kilgore as perfect examples. In addition, consider we may have an entire All-Star team currently on the PUP/NFI list and at some point, quite a few of these players will be coming back at full strength. This, by far, is the hardest 53 to predict despite so few "open" positions. Good well done by this FO!
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 27, 2013 at 7:45 AM ]
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
21 or not, I think Lemonier would provide better pass rush than Haralson. Maybe a small drop in run D and coverage, but if Lem is on the field, I pretty much want him rushing the QB all the time. Plus, it isn't as if Lem received zero experience at dropping into zones at Auburn.

If we were going to cut Haralson anyway, then no one should gripe about getting an extra 7th instead.

Rushing all the time means getting pounded by 325 lbers. lemonhead is 20 lbs lighter than aldon. So he will get beat up faster. Too bad we don't have a vet to split time with him.

We all know Fangio doesn't like spelling anyone esp. in the front 7. This year, it sounds like he might be "pushed" a little in this direction. I don't anticipate too many snaps for Lemonier this year but I would imagine, most of them will be to spell Aldon. And vet? Skuta is an experienced vet who has played stellar this pre season at both OLB positions, a little ILB and on ST's. He can bring a pass rush and was pretty stout against the run as well. Again, he won't get too many snaps either.
You can sulk about this move, or realize that it means they really like other guys better...which is exciting! I liked Haralson and supported keeping him last year but the drafting of Lemonier and Johnson's recovery is just too much competition. Skuta is ST and may be an un-cut-able--promised to the STs coach. At any rate...too much of an upside to be dour about this.
From Barrows

The #49ers, who had a whopping 11 picks in this year's draft, already have 11 in next year's with more …

… on the way in compensatory picks. The team's strategy is to keep its best free agents, allow others to walk and then replace them through the draft. That was process this year when the 49ers lost safety Dashon Goldson and replaced him with Eric Reid.
2014 draft picks:
1. First round – own pick
2. Second round – own pick
3. Third round – pick from Kansas City (Alex Smith). Selection could turn into a second-round pick if the Chiefs finish 8-8 or better.
4. Third round – pick from Tennessee. Titans moved up in second round this year to take WR Justin Hunter.
5. Third round – own pick
6. Fourth round – own pick
7. Fifth round – own pick
8. Sixth round – own pick
9. Seventh round – own pick
10. Seventh round – pick from Carolina (2012 Colin Jones trade)
11. Seventh round – pick from New Orleans (Parys Haralson)* *The New Orleans trade is contingent on Haralson making the Saints roster, which he is expected to do. In fact, he could start at outside linebacker.
*The 49ers also are expected to be awarded at least one compensatory pick in the 2014 draft after losing Goldson, Delanie Walker, Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean-Francois and Ted Ginn in free agency.
Originally posted by Lifer:
You can only keep 53 guys on the roster. The decisions have already been made about most of these guys and it's clear that Haralson wasn't going to make the 53. Since they're cutting him anyway, a 7th round pick is a bonus. Something is better than nothing.

There's a youth movement afoot in Santa Clara because young equals cheap. This team is going to be configured differently in the future than it is now... because it has to be. By next year, Kap will likely be one of the highest paid players in the league. Aldon is also going to cost us a mint. A mature team - a dynasty type team - is built around a handful of stars with huge contracts. Because the star players take up so much cap space, you have to surround them with a rotating cast of inexpensive supporting players. And that means that, sometimes, very good veteran players have to be let go.

The last couple years, we've had a virtual allstar team with quality players at almost every position. We could afford that luxury because our QB was cheap. Alex Smith was making far less than other QB's with his (2011-12) stats and experience, and Kap is still playing under his rookie contract. Next year, that's going to be very, very different.

Baalke is positioning this team to win now, and in the future. Personally, I like and trust Haralson more than Johnson and Lemonier, but I have to believe that the coaches - who watch them perform 10 times more than you and I do - have a better read on this and truly believe that that the young guys can hold up.

I see Lemonier developing rapidly and he has a great deal of skill that he already displays. I think he will be considered a 3rd round steal at some point. I agree with your philosophy on Baalke's plans for the team and it makes complete sense to me. I don't want another decade like the last one.
Will miss
5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Damn.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously, I'm seriously worried about our ST coverage and punt/kick-off teams. But yeah, Johnson, Skuta and Lemonier all currently play on the coverage units. But "gunners" is where I'm concerned. We let Lockette walk, Moore won't play gunner if he's a top WR and Osgood and Morris may not even make the team let alone be high enough on the roster to frack the 46 and be active. We let Ginn go (who returned a punt for a TD the other day). Every team we face seems to have one or TWO dynamic returners. And our coverage units even with the aforementioned have looked very poor this pre season. Brad Seely is probably crapping his pants right now esp. coming off a Superbowl loss (b/c of his unit).

After three years of steady decline with special teams, Brad Seely is running out of excuses. I don't care that he's assistant head coach or how great a special teams guru he used to be, If special teams continue to struggle, he should be replaced.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Rushing all the time means getting pounded by 325 lbers. lemonhead is 20 lbs lighter than aldon. So he will get beat up faster. Too bad we don't have a vet to split time with him.

I am not so sure that he is. Lem was 6' 3" and 255 coming out. He looks pretty big... he benched 27, and he has 34.5" arms. I think he will hold up pretty well vs the run.
Originally posted by valrod33:
From Barrows

The #49ers, who had a whopping 11 picks in this year's draft, already have 11 in next year's with more …

… on the way in compensatory picks. The team's strategy is to keep its best free agents, allow others to walk and then replace them through the draft. That was process this year when the 49ers lost safety Dashon Goldson and replaced him with Eric Reid.
2014 draft picks:
1. First round – own pick
2. Second round – own pick
3. Third round – pick from Kansas City (Alex Smith). Selection could turn into a second-round pick if the Chiefs finish 8-8 or better.
4. Third round – pick from Tennessee. Titans moved up in second round this year to take WR Justin Hunter.
5. Third round – own pick
6. Fourth round – own pick
7. Fifth round – own pick
8. Sixth round – own pick
9. Seventh round – own pick
10. Seventh round – pick from Carolina (2012 Colin Jones trade)
11. Seventh round – pick from New Orleans (Parys Haralson)* *The New Orleans trade is contingent on Haralson making the Saints roster, which he is expected to do. In fact, he could start at outside linebacker.
*The 49ers also are expected to be awarded at least one compensatory pick in the 2014 draft after losing Goldson, Delanie Walker, Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean-Francois and Ted Ginn in free agency.

I bet they get more than one comp pick. Haralson for a 7th was a steal for the Saints. They got good quality for the cheap. I'm glad Parys gets a chanmce to start thought. He deserves that and has looked great this preseason. His tag was just to much and Lemonier and Skuta are younger and cheaper. The Titans pick will be a high 3rd and the Chiefs should turn into a 2nd because the Chiefs can beat Jax, Ten, Oak X2, Cle, Buf, and SD at least once. That's 7 wins right there and they can sneak an upset like they did against GB last year. Maybe Indy late in the season since Luck is subpar on the road.