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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying he's an older player coming off injury, is very average production-wise and has been for quite some time now and has no position-flexibility...that makes him extremely replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Aug 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.
inb4 raiders/chargers give us a 3rd round pick for him.
Originally posted by denali22:
inb4 raiders/chargers give us a 3rd round pick for him.


They can give us a 4th, which will be llike pick 99, because they will have such bad records.
7th or a 6th? then s**t keep him...why trade him?

but yeah I agree, his age, coming back from injury, and maybe his production on paper...all work against his worth. But if I were another team that is trying to make a playoff push, I'd feel this would be a great "gamble".
Originally posted by Afrikan:
7th or a 6th? then s**t keep him...why trade him?

but yeah I agree, his age, coming back from injury, and maybe his production on paper...all work against his worth. But if I were another team that is trying to make a playoff push, I'd feel this would be a great "gamble".


Because the other option might just be outright release.
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.

Why would you do that? If he leaves via free agency and starts, we get a 3rd. 3rd round is the worst pick I'd give up for him.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
7th or a 6th? then s**t keep him...why trade him?

but yeah I agree, his age, coming back from injury, and maybe his production on paper...all work against his worth. But if I were another team that is trying to make a playoff push, I'd feel this would be a great "gamble".


Because the other option might just be outright release.

And that's really the point. Put feelers out there and get what you can NOW if you can get anything, for the guys you are about to release next week.
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.

Why would you do that? If he leaves via free agency and starts, we get a 3rd. 3rd round is the worst pick I'd give up for him.

You really think someone is going to give Parys a free agent contract next year worth the equivalent of a 3rd round comp pick? Come on bro....
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Aug 26, 2013 at 4:21 PM ]
if we were the early 2000s 9ers then yeah... a 5th or 6th would be worth it, especially at his age and being in his last year. And we are just a rebuilding team trying to get as much draft picks as possible.

but imo, we are talented enough to be picky with our decisions....we need proven depth imo, like someone mentioned we were at DB..which is why we can afford to lose Cully.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Aug 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM ]
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.

Why would you do that? If he leaves via free agency and starts, we get a 3rd. 3rd round is the worst pick I'd give up for him.


uh...no. Dashon Goldson might give us a 3rd round Compensatory Pick. Parys...not so much.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.

Why would you do that? If he leaves via free agency and starts, we get a 3rd. 3rd round is the worst pick I'd give up for him.

You really think someone is going to give Parys a free agent contract next year worth the equivalent of a 3rd round comp pick? Come on bro....


This.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I was pissed when I heard the news earlier this morning. But his value is pretty high right now. Haralson is better than Aldon, and most LBs in this league, against the run...and Haralson can rush the passer.

I think after Denver lost Drumerville to the Ravens with that contract mistake, and lost Von Miller for the half of the season... they would be on the top of the list of teams asking about him.

the reason I think the 9ers would want to do it now is because Parys is obviously on the last year of his contract...and he will get paid much much more going to different team...so I don't we will resign him. SO if you are going to lose him anyway, and you have this young draft pick that has showed potential who will for sure be on this team....well then you want this draft pick to get as much reps as possible through out the season and practice.

slippery slope though...if we are trying to win a SuperBowl this year should we take that chance? Will a 4th round pick be worth it? (I don't think a team will give more, even though imo he is worth it)

its tough, but I'd like for us to keep him...and worry about the draft later...there is a point where you have make an exception on the penny pinching.

Are we talking about the same Parys Haralson????

I don't think anyone would question that Parys was one of our best, when it came to holding the edge and stopping the run.....and that he can rush the passer, not as good as Aldon and Brooks, but he is good as well.

And yes I think Denver would love to get a proven OLB, because of their current situation.

as far as his worth... That is just me. I'd give him up for a 3rd round pick sure....but 4th round or 5th, etc? I just feel it would be more important for our SuperBowl run for us to be stacked depth wise...especially with a proven vet like Parys....this is not a journey man LB, he can be starting and playing well for another team imo.

Luv Parys, but he's just average, and that's before taking last year off. When he was at his best, he only averaged around 26 solo tackles per year (2007-2011) and a little over 4 sacks per year, bumped up mostly by 2008 when he had 8 sacks. Since then, he's barely averaged over 3 sacks per year. That's Tully Banta-Cain territory.

Like I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying PH is useless, because he's not. I'm saying for us specifically, he's very average and has been for quite some time now...which makes him very replaceable. Might some other team want him? Probably...but those numbers are very average to start with, and that was before the injury that kept him out an entire season. So how valuable is a nearly 30 year-old, average-producing OLB coming off a yearlong injury layoff with 1 year left on his restructured deal?

I'd say maybe a 7th rounder and pray for a 6th?

Certainly not a 3rd thats for sure. I agree that 6th or 7th would be about it.

Why would you do that? If he leaves via free agency and starts, we get a 3rd. 3rd round is the worst pick I'd give up for him.

You really think someone is going to give Parys a free agent contract next year worth the equivalent of a 3rd round comp pick? Come on bro....

Depending on how much he shines, and his best bet is to come on strong early on in the season because Lemonier will probably see more snaps as the year goes on, but he'll probably net a similar pick as to what we'd get trading him. So it's either a draft pick in 2014 or one in 2015. Either way, one is coming for Parys Haralson.

BTW, what did Adam Snyder net us for his one and done year in Arizona?
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Correct.

See Smith, Alex.

Ouch!
Originally posted by valrod33:
I was being serious

Then you should know Haralson's 1.3 mil isn't stopping us or making a big difference to extend Iupati.
[ Edited by Hopper on Aug 26, 2013 at 4:42 PM ]
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