Originally posted by onanygivensunday49:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Respect. Bot some of your assumptions highlight some of the problems we see with the seattle fan base. New fans over exagerate these things to the extreme. For example, your "fanchise QB" was a rookie last season. The term "franchise QB" is perhaps a bit premature, but its not as bad, and a huge understatment, compare to some of the things we hear from most young and new fans, im sure you know what im talking about without going into specifics here.
Secondly, yes, you guys have a very talented team, but to make blanket statements like "Carroll and Schneider have done something for this franchise that all previous GMs and HCs have not been able to achieve." is simply untrue at this point. Holmgren got you guys to the super bowl if i am not mistaken. Now this current roster would appear, atleast on paper, to be a more talented team than that superbowl team, but it hasnt accomplished anything yet. Nothing.
So while yes, the future appears bright for you guys, alot of the statements and overexagerations by your younger and newer fan base are what we are highlighting here. It is a "this franchise can do no wrong and has acheived greatness" mentality, which is extremely premature for a franchise that has spent the majority of its history in the gutter and is only several years into the new regime with a second year QB, alot of un answered oncoming contract issues, and a history of players making wrong decisions which hurt, and if continued, will continue to hurt the future of the franchise.
For the same accusations that you accuse Seattle fans I see the same thing with your (young?) fans... for every (young?) Hawks fan statement about about Wilson I see that same statements from your (young?) fans about your 2nd year QB that has started less games than Wilson. BTW, both have very bright futures to look forward to.
Think about Seattle fans from this perspective... forget about long term franchise accomplishments for a minute... Seattle came out of the doldrums when Carroll and Schneider took over. Former GM Ruskell let the team get old and VERY expensive. Holgren lost control of the team in his lame duck season as HC... and his successor, Jim Mora Jr. was actually worse. Carroll/Schneider came in and did exactly what was needed... they flushed out the expensive senior citizens and then stocked the cupboards with youthful talent. Carroll knows what he wants out of every position player. Then with an over-the-hill Matt Hasselbeck and at best, a career back-up QB in Tarvaris Jackson, the Hawks go 7-9 two seasons in a row... and along comes Wilson and an 11-5 record last year. Add to that an All Pro safety, an All Pro center and several more Pro Bowl players and suddenly the fan base has an expectation of success.
It''s no wonder that Hawks fans are excited. And fwiw, t wasn't that long ago with your team was in the doldrums like the Hawks were in during Holgren's last years and Mora's season..
Here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers#2003.E2.80.9310:_Struggles ;... read the paragraphs about your team's struggles from 2003 - 2010 in case you forgot. It wasn't that long ago.
I am highly aware of our dark years. I watched every snap of every game. That doesn't erase our storied franchises history, which we are just getting back to over the last couple seasons. Just like your recent success doesn't erase your franchises history of under performing.
Also, i agree that alot of the hype about Kaep is indeed premature, but he did go to the superbowl after starting a half season. The harbalkie regime has taken us to the NFC championship, and superbowl in harbaughs first two seasons. The roster will likely have more probowlers than any other team.
Also Harbaugh brought back AS and made him an actual legit starting QB in the nfl, so we were not 100% in need of Kaep succeeding. We could have easily succeeded again with Smith behind center.
Also lets not forget, we indeed are NFC west champs. For all the 11-5 hype, it wasnt good enough to win the division.
Like i said, your franshise appears to have a bright future, but i dont quite perceive the way they are doing it as a long term sustainable model. And until you guys actually accomplish something with that roster, you are still the same old underacheiving seattle seahawks.
Also, WTH do you have a 49 in your username, isaint that bad mojo or something?
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Jun 17, 2013 at 8:54 PM ]