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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

probably already mentioned, but chiefs / broncos was flexed to sunday night on 11/17. Should be a great game
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Giants couldn't do jack in the 2nd half either. Here's a quick refresher for you....

At least Alex threw a 28 yd TD to VD to get SF back on top 14-10.

We were winning by that going into the 4th. That's when our D allowed an 80 yd TD drive to give NYG the lead 17-14.

Then, Alex moved the ball into FG range to tie the game 17-17.

Then, Kyle Williams fumbled the lead away by giving the ball back to them inside their 30.

Then, both teams couldn't get a real drive going... so we went to OT.

Game was tied until Kyle fumbled yet again around mid-field...

Ugh what a painful memory. TBH that was the best Niner team since 2002. We would have beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Our defense was unstoppable, offense was solid esp with Alex playing pretty well in the playoffs, and most importantly our play calling was so dialed in and catered to the offenses strengths.

That was the year to win.
I agree Lambda. We woulda won that f**king Superbowl. Ugh.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Sure it is. Keep coming up with reasons hat hold no ground. Here are some more numbers about your long field claim.

KCs #1 ranked defense in yards per drive allows only 22.5 yards per drive.

KC offense only gets 26.75 yards per drive which is actually ranked 24 and not 22.

So, it looks like the defense hooks up the offense with short field position. If it were the other way around, the. KC offense would have a stronger yards per drive number. So, you are saying the team in the bottom of the league that averages only 26 yards per drive is moving the chains so the opponent has a long field? The numbers say the opposite.

Since you like those pretty numbers so much, any thoughts about KC leading the league #1 in offensive penalties? Thoughts on the being top 10 in dropped passes? Do you think these issues alone contribute greatly to a drive stalling?

They are not the most penalized team on offense. But they do have the #1 ranked defense in terms of scoring points and yards allowed per drive.

The facts are, the KC offense, aside from not turning the ball over as much from last year, is not the reason why KC is 9-0.

http://www.footballdb.com/penalties.html

KC is also ranked 16 th in first downs. Going further, they are ranked 22 in 3rd down percentage. 24th in yards per drive.

Tell me more how the KC offense just moves the chains, sustains drives, and makes their defense better.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 4, 2013 at 10:32 PM ]
They should be #1 in Time of Possession with Alex being the QB.
Originally posted by Joecool:
They are not the most penalized team on offense. But they do have the #1 ranked defense in terms of scoring points and yards allowed per drive.

The facts are, the KC offense, aside from not turning the ball over as much from last year, is not the reason why KC is 9-0.

http://www.footballdb.com/penalties.html

KC is also ranked 16 th in first downs. Going further, they are ranked 22 in 3rd down percentage. 24th in yards per drive.

Tell me more how the KC offense just moves the chains, sustains drives, and makes their defense better.


You forgot to mention, they are #1 in total punts.

Funny, a few years back, the 49ers were #1 in total punts. I think we might have set a record that year actually.

To answer your question, their offense makes their defense better by punting the ball away and giving the defense more opportunities to score. They scored 14 points last week.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Nov 5, 2013 at 12:50 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
They are not the most penalized team on offense. But they do have the #1 ranked defense in terms of scoring points and yards allowed per drive.

The facts are, the KC offense, aside from not turning the ball over as much from last year, is not the reason why KC is 9-0.

Tell me more how the KC offense just moves the chains, sustains drives, and makes their defense better.

Not a fact.. it's your opinion. Like dude stated on the prior page, KC is #11 in TOP/drive. Pretty damn good for a yr 1 offense with issues across the board.

There is no single aspect that can be called THE ONLY reason that KC is 9-0.

Just give it a rest already, JFC... this need of yours to pick at and hate is pathetic.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Sure it is. Keep coming up with reasons hat hold no ground. Here are some more numbers about your long field claim.

KCs #1 ranked defense in yards per drive allows only 22.5 yards per drive.

KC offense only gets 26.75 yards per drive which is actually ranked 24 and not 22.

So, it looks like the defense hooks up the offense with short field position. If it were the other way around, the. KC offense would have a stronger yards per drive number. So, you are saying the team in the bottom of the league that averages only 26 yards per drive is moving the chains so the opponent has a long field? The numbers say the opposite.

Since you like those pretty numbers so much, any thoughts about KC leading the league #1 in offensive penalties? Thoughts on the being top 10 in dropped passes? Do you think these issues alone contribute greatly to a drive stalling?

They are not the most penalized team on offense. But they do have the #1 ranked defense in terms of scoring points and yards allowed per drive.

The facts are, the KC offense, aside from not turning the ball over as much from last year, is not the reason why KC is 9-0.

http://www.footballdb.com/penalties.html

KC is also ranked 16 th in first downs. Going further, they are ranked 22 in 3rd down percentage. 24th in yards per drive.

Tell me more how the KC offense just moves the chains, sustains drives, and makes their defense better.

What up Cool, you know we used to get into it every now and again, but I have to say you confused me a bit. At one point it seemed like you turned the corner, and started to look at things without the against Alex mindframe. But then recently its like you reverted right back into that same mode, what happened???

I have to say I do agree with you, the KC offense is not THE reason they are 9-0. Since it's a team game..... I'll say the KC offense, is ONE of the reasons that KC is 9-0.
I could care less about this thread title at this point because the Chiefs have won the 8 games I needed them to and we get our 2nd round pick. I will not root against Alex unless he plays us but his winning does weaken our pick but hey we can't have it all can we?
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
They should be #1 in Time of Possession with Alex being the QB.

5th
Many pundits picked Buff over KC...they have to lose sometime...don't they?!

How many Chiefs offensive players are key players? As in...wanted if FAs? Charles...Smith...anyone else? Compare that to the 9ers--Iupati, Staley, Davis, Gore, VD, Boldin, Kapernick...very different teams winning in very different ways. I bring this up to point out that the Chief's offense is out performing it's talent level. I attribute that to Reid and Smith being smarter than most guys in their position.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Many pundits picked Buff over KC...they have to lose sometime...don't they?!

How many Chiefs offensive players are key players? As in...wanted if FAs? Charles...Smith...anyone else? Compare that to the 9ers--Iupati, Staley, Davis, Gore, VD, Boldin, Kapernick...very different teams winning in very different ways. I bring this up to point out that the Chief's offense is out performing it's talent level. I attribute that to Reid and Smith being smarter than most guys in their position.

, i actually have to say great post! Most of the NFL world swore KC was gonna lose on Sunday.
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Many pundits picked Buff over KC...they have to lose sometime...don't they?!

How many Chiefs offensive players are key players? As in...wanted if FAs? Charles...Smith...anyone else? Compare that to the 9ers--Iupati, Staley, Davis, Gore, VD, Boldin, Kapernick...very different teams winning in very different ways. I bring this up to point out that the Chief's offense is out performing it's talent level. I attribute that to Reid and Smith being smarter than most guys in their position.

, i actually have to say great post! Most of the NFL world swore KC was gonna lose on Sunday.

Charles, Smith, Bowe, Asamoah, Albert come to mind.

Bowe got his big payday, and has been good, but not playing with the effort or effectiveness of his bloated contract. (again, no axe to grind on Bowe... he's good... just not special)

Asamoah has been solid. He would be a highly pursued FA. Albert has been okay... not a dominating run blocker, and gives up the edge a bit too often... but his position and experience would be highly pursued. Most of their high paid talent is on the defensive side... who understandably is further along than the O.. so they have done more of the heavy lifting. (just like 2011 SF)

Their offense so reminds me of our 2011 one... like nearly every play, someone is screwing up... and it's usually not # 11. It's funny when listening to Chiefs fans... as they will say "the OL is terrible and those drops inexcusable!!!!" .... but in the next breath???? "Alex isn't playing well enough!!!"

I am left thinking, "well duh! the QB kinda needs his OL and receivers to do their jobs, ya know?"
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Joecool:
They are not the most penalized team on offense. But they do have the #1 ranked defense in terms of scoring points and yards allowed per drive.

The facts are, the KC offense, aside from not turning the ball over as much from last year, is not the reason why KC is 9-0.

http://www.footballdb.com/penalties.html

KC is also ranked 16 th in first downs. Going further, they are ranked 22 in 3rd down percentage. 24th in yards per drive.

Tell me more how the KC offense just moves the chains, sustains drives, and makes their defense better.


You forgot to mention, they are #1 in total punts.

Funny, a few years back, the 49ers were #1 in total punts. I think we might have set a record that year actually.

To answer your question, their offense makes their defense better by punting the ball away and giving the defense more opportunities to score. They scored 14 points last week.

A bit on the sarcastic side, but this is actually my point --but not the purpose to score of course. The Chiefs like the Niners of 2011, try not to turn the ball over, and especially on their own side of the field. Instead of taking overt risk on their side of the field, they rather punt the ball to give their defense as much field behind their defense as possible. The purpose is so that even if the defense allows a big play, chances are good a tackle will be made, the defense regroup to stop the other team from scoring.

Case in point. 3rd qtr opening drive. Buffalo Spiller tore a big play, long run, but the Chiefs was able to make the tackle. They recovered enough to make a pick 6 INT. Had it been a shorter field, Spiller would have scored. No time or field behind the defense to make any recovery after a big play.

I actually agreed with JoeCool that Smith doesn't necessarily extend drives. Like any qb, he does what he can to extend drives within the offense. But he pick his place on the field and game situation to make a safe or calculated risk decision. Because there are certainly times where Smith and the offense stall, and like any good NFL coach will tell you, punting isn't a loss if you set up field position for your defense.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 5, 2013 at 7:37 AM ]
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[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 5, 2013 at 7:36 AM ]