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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

From your link, Joe, KC is 11th in the league in offensive Time Of Possession per drive - so their offense is doing a top-third job at giving their defense time to rest. They are also 4th in turnovers per drive, which also assists their defense, obviously. Of course the defense is carrying the offense - the defense is the better unit. But the style of the offense contributes to the defense's success. I think that an offense like, say, Denver's (3rd in yards but 23rd in time of possession, each per drive) would absolutely have a negative impact on the defense. There is a balance in effect.

And as others have stated, the biggest issue(s) with the offense are not at QB - it's the constant penalties and drops that have really set them back.
This is a great way to look how efficient a team is on game day..The Defense might carry you.but for how long ?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct
Many 3rd down conversions have failed due to drops, failed runs on short situations, and conservatism to not risk anything and run clock. Same as SF did it in 2011. They finished 18th in offensive efficiency, and still were a Kyle W. fumble away from the SB.

KC is ranked 16th in offensive efficiency. Now that is a stat to pay attention to. 16th isn't grand... but for a yr 1 team with large OL and drop issues? 16th ain't so bad.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Many 3rd down conversions have failed due to drops, failed runs on short situations, and conservatism to not risk anything and run clock. Same as SF did it in 2011. They finished 18th in offensive efficiency, and still were a Kyle W. fumble away from the SB.

KC is ranked 16th in offensive efficiency. Now that is a stat to pay attention to. 16th isn't grand... but for a yr 1 team with large OL and drop issues? 16th ain't so bad.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

Due to whatever the circumstance ..They have to punt/FG (sprinkle some TDs) almost 70% of every drive. They rarely go for it 4th..but they are almost on top for 3rd downs attempted.

Just like 2011 for the 49ers..we sucked at 3rd down. even if KW didn't fumble..we couldn't drive down field
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
we need them to start losing.

this


soft schedule is helping them big time.

Even with that, Chiefs could have a collapse. I want them to hurry up and win 8 because I have a bad feeling Reid is getting figured out. Teams are focusing on the underneath routes and forcing deep throws.

Chiefs passing game has gotten worse with each game.

With HOU, CLE, BUF, DEN, WAS in the next 5 weeks, and the way their passing game is struggling, they may be lucky to get 1 or 2 wins out of that.

[ Edited by HomerJ on Nov 4, 2013 at 5:28 PM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Due to whatever the circumstance ..They have to punt/FG (sprinkle some TDs) almost 70% of every drive. They rarely go for it 4th..but they are almost on top for 3rd downs attempted.

Just like 2011 for the 49ers..we sucked at 3rd down. even if KW didn't fumble..we couldn't drive down field

Giants couldn't do jack in the 2nd half either. Here's a quick refresher for you....

At least Alex threw a 28 yd TD to VD to get SF back on top 14-10.

We were winning by that going into the 4th. That's when our D allowed an 80 yd TD drive to give NYG the lead 17-14.

Then, Alex moved the ball into FG range to tie the game 17-17.

Then, Kyle Williams fumbled the lead away by giving the ball back to them inside their 30.

Then, both teams couldn't get a real drive going... so we went to OT.

Game was tied until Kyle fumbled yet again around mid-field...
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Due to whatever the circumstance ..They have to punt/FG (sprinkle some TDs) almost 70% of every drive. They rarely go for it 4th..but they are almost on top for 3rd downs attempted.

Just like 2011 for the 49ers..we sucked at 3rd down. even if KW didn't fumble..we couldn't drive down field

Giants couldn't do jack in the 2nd half either. Here's a quick refresher for you....

At least Alex threw a 28 yd TD to VD to get SF back on top 14-10.

We were winning by that going into the 4th. That's when our D allowed an 80 yd TD drive to give NYG the lead 17-14.

Then, Alex moved the ball into FG range to tie the game 17-17.

Then, Kyle Williams fumbled the lead away by giving the ball back to them inside their 30.

Then, both teams couldn't get a real drive going... so we went to OT.

Game was tied until Kyle fumbled yet again around mid-field...

Exactly my point..some one needed to make a mistake (sucked it had to be us) in that second half..cause no one was doing anything... due to not enough 3rd down conversions
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Exactly my point..some one needed to make a mistake (sucked it had to be us) in that second half..cause no one was doing anything... due to not enough 3rd down conversions

Well that's not exactly fresh and riveting news, now is it? Everyone knows that 3rd down conversions are nice... just as everyone knows that scoring more than your opponent is nice. It is breaking down WHY the 3rd downs fail that is important.. not just throwing out the team stat without any real insight as to what's made the stat this way.
Originally posted by DarkKnight1680:
From your link, Joe, KC is 11th in the league in offensive Time Of Possession per drive - so their offense is doing a top-third job at giving their defense time to rest. They are also 4th in turnovers per drive, which also assists their defense, obviously. Of course the defense is carrying the offense - the defense is the better unit. But the style of the offense contributes to the defense's success. I think that an offense like, say, Denver's (3rd in yards but 23rd in time of possession, each per drive) would absolutely have a negative impact on the defense. There is a balance in effect.

And as others have stated, the biggest issue(s) with the offense are not at QB - it's the constant penalties and drops that have really set them back.

McGibblets and everyone, very nice everyone is doing some research.

DarkKnight, yes TOP does help but when KC is getting the TOP, they are not doing much with it...about middle in the league when they get the ball on offense. So, this leads to the Defense getting keeping opponents to very short drives which was why I researched the yards per drive allowed.

Guess what, KC defense is ranked #1. So, the KC defense holds the opponents to very minimal plays. Now factor in the fact that KC offense is very weak at sustaining long drives and there is your TOP. It is not due to Alex Smith and mostly due to the defense.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Exactly my point..some one needed to make a mistake (sucked it had to be us) in that second half..cause no one was doing anything... due to not enough 3rd down conversions

Well that's not exactly fresh and riveting news, now is it? Everyone knows that 3rd down conversions are nice... just as everyone knows that scoring more than your opponent is nice. It is breaking down WHY the 3rd downs fail that is important.. not just throwing out the team stat without any real insight as to what's made the stat this way.

Good synopsis above Mac! As painful as it was it is so clear that the game rested in the hands of a young player who was not ready, may never be, for prime time. But some will blame the QB no matter the mistakes of the rest of the team...all about the Alex!
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Let's be real here, anyone rooting for the Chiefs to lose so we can get a better 2nd round pick is using that as an excuse. Just admit you want to see Alex lose. We all know good and well the difference between the 21st pick in the second and the 30th is irrelevant. With our teams track record that pick might not even touch the field next season, especially if we are healthy. NOW to be honest, the Chiefs could very well win that division. Old man Fox is prob going to miss the rest of the regular season with the heart issue. Manning's body is already breaking down, they have oline and the defense is giving up points by the truck load. We got our second, so I'm happy. If Alex goes undefeated so what, if they lose the next seven... so what. Let's move on...

That's complete and utter b******t. I have always been an outward supporter of Alex Smith and I know many others who wanted the Chiefs to be 8-8 were also Smith supporters. Sure there are Alex bashers who want him to lose, but to put everyone in that boat is ridiculous and completely fabricated out of laziness, denial, and/or ignorance. And the difference between mid-2nd pick and end of 2nd is not irrelevant. It is quite relevant and can be the difference in getting your guy or settling for a different guy. C'mon man. Add to that the needs we're going to have with guys leaving because we can't afford them. Long-term success is completely contingent on having cheap young players producing at a high level. Because when contracts come up for guys like Kaep, Crabs, Iupati, etc. we're not going to afford to keep the mid-range guys around.

Bro a middle of the second or end of the second won't make or break us. It's not like you get an extra second round pick every year. We have like 13 picks it's not like we have 13 roster spots that need to be filled or 13 positions that we can upgrade. Most of our extra picks will be bundled to move up or we will move out of a round and basically transfer the pick to next year. Pretty much every draft we go into, we are playing with house money. So like I said, the position of that extra two won't mean much.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Let's be real here, anyone rooting for the Chiefs to lose so we can get a better 2nd round pick is using that as an excuse. Just admit you want to see Alex lose. We all know good and well the difference between the 21st pick in the second and the 30th is irrelevant. With our teams track record that pick might not even touch the field next season, especially if we are healthy. NOW to be honest, the Chiefs could very well win that division. Old man Fox is prob going to miss the rest of the regular season with the heart issue. Manning's body is already breaking down, they have oline and the defense is giving up points by the truck load. We got our second, so I'm happy. If Alex goes undefeated so what, if they lose the next seven... so what. Let's move on...

That's complete and utter b******t. I have always been an outward supporter of Alex Smith and I know many others who wanted the Chiefs to be 8-8 were also Smith supporters. Sure there are Alex bashers who want him to lose, but to put everyone in that boat is ridiculous and completely fabricated out of laziness, denial, and/or ignorance. And the difference between mid-2nd pick and end of 2nd is not irrelevant. It is quite relevant and can be the difference in getting your guy or settling for a different guy. C'mon man. Add to that the needs we're going to have with guys leaving because we can't afford them. Long-term success is completely contingent on having cheap young players producing at a high level. Because when contracts come up for guys like Kaep, Crabs, Iupati, etc. we're not going to afford to keep the mid-range guys around.

Bro a middle of the second or end of the second won't make or break us. It's not like you get an extra second round pick every year. We have like 13 picks it's not like we have 13 roster spots that need to be filled or 13 positions that we can upgrade. Most of our extra picks will be bundled to move up or we will move out of a round and basically transfer the pick to next year. Pretty much every draft we go into, we are playing with house money. So like I said, the position of that extra two won't mean much.

I want the best pick available. Therefore, I am rooting for the chiefs (who I have no emotional investment with) to lose. Its the same with any other teams picks that we have/had
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Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Let's be real here, anyone rooting for the Chiefs to lose so we can get a better 2nd round pick is using that as an excuse. Just admit you want to see Alex lose. We all know good and well the difference between the 21st pick in the second and the 30th is irrelevant. With our teams track record that pick might not even touch the field next season, especially if we are healthy. NOW to be honest, the Chiefs could very well win that division. Old man Fox is prob going to miss the rest of the regular season with the heart issue. Manning's body is already breaking down, they have oline and the defense is giving up points by the truck load. We got our second, so I'm happy. If Alex goes undefeated so what, if they lose the next seven... so what. Let's move on...

That's complete and utter b******t. I have always been an outward supporter of Alex Smith and I know many others who wanted the Chiefs to be 8-8 were also Smith supporters. Sure there are Alex bashers who want him to lose, but to put everyone in that boat is ridiculous and completely fabricated out of laziness, denial, and/or ignorance. And the difference between mid-2nd pick and end of 2nd is not irrelevant. It is quite relevant and can be the difference in getting your guy or settling for a different guy. C'mon man. Add to that the needs we're going to have with guys leaving because we can't afford them. Long-term success is completely contingent on having cheap young players producing at a high level. Because when contracts come up for guys like Kaep, Crabs, Iupati, etc. we're not going to afford to keep the mid-range guys around.

Bro a middle of the second or end of the second won't make or break us. It's not like you get an extra second round pick every year. We have like 13 picks it's not like we have 13 roster spots that need to be filled or 13 positions that we can upgrade. Most of our extra picks will be bundled to move up or we will move out of a round and basically transfer the pick to next year. Pretty much every draft we go into, we are playing with house money. So like I said, the position of that extra two won't mean much.

I want the best pick available. Therefore, I am rooting for the chiefs (who I have no emotional investment with) to lose. Its the same with any other teams picks that we have/had

Exactly. We got our franchise QB with a second round pick. Why try to minimize draft position. Every possible advantage we can get, I want. No one is saying that that picking 10-15 spots earlier in the second will make or break us. People simply want that advantage for our team. It improves our chances to bring in a contributor.
Originally posted by Joecool:
McGibblets and everyone, very nice everyone is doing some research.

DarkKnight, yes TOP does help but when KC is getting the TOP, they are not doing much with it...about middle in the league when they get the ball on offense. So, this leads to the Defense getting keeping opponents to very short drives which was why I researched the yards per drive allowed.

Guess what, KC defense is ranked #1. So, the KC defense holds the opponents to very minimal plays. Now factor in the fact that KC offense is very weak at sustaining long drives and there is your TOP. It is not due to Alex Smith and mostly due to the defense.

I dont think this makes any sense. KC is #11 in TOP/drive. Not a net stat, so it has nothing to do with the defense. Compared to other offenses, KC is 11th best at holding the ball for length of time. So they aren't "very weak at sustaining long drives" since the D has nothing to do with this TOP stat. You don't "do things" with your time of possession either with this stat - it's just a stat for keeping the ball away from the other team.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Let's be real here, anyone rooting for the Chiefs to lose so we can get a better 2nd round pick is using that as an excuse. Just admit you want to see Alex lose. We all know good and well the difference between the 21st pick in the second and the 30th is irrelevant. With our teams track record that pick might not even touch the field next season, especially if we are healthy. NOW to be honest, the Chiefs could very well win that division. Old man Fox is prob going to miss the rest of the regular season with the heart issue. Manning's body is already breaking down, they have oline and the defense is giving up points by the truck load. We got our second, so I'm happy. If Alex goes undefeated so what, if they lose the next seven... so what. Let's move on...

That's complete and utter b******t. I have always been an outward supporter of Alex Smith and I know many others who wanted the Chiefs to be 8-8 were also Smith supporters. Sure there are Alex bashers who want him to lose, but to put everyone in that boat is ridiculous and completely fabricated out of laziness, denial, and/or ignorance. And the difference between mid-2nd pick and end of 2nd is not irrelevant. It is quite relevant and can be the difference in getting your guy or settling for a different guy. C'mon man. Add to that the needs we're going to have with guys leaving because we can't afford them. Long-term success is completely contingent on having cheap young players producing at a high level. Because when contracts come up for guys like Kaep, Crabs, Iupati, etc. we're not going to afford to keep the mid-range guys around.

Bro a middle of the second or end of the second won't make or break us. It's not like you get an extra second round pick every year. We have like 13 picks it's not like we have 13 roster spots that need to be filled or 13 positions that we can upgrade. Most of our extra picks will be bundled to move up or we will move out of a round and basically transfer the pick to next year. Pretty much every draft we go into, we are playing with house money. So like I said, the position of that extra two won't mean much.

I want the best pick available. Therefore, I am rooting for the chiefs (who I have no emotional investment with) to lose. Its the same with any other teams picks that we have/had

Exactly. We got our franchise QB with a second round pick. Why try to minimize draft position. Every possible advantage we can get, I want. No one is saying that that picking 10-15 spots earlier in the second will make or break us. People simply want that advantage for our team. It improves our chances to bring in a contributor.



Once the Chiefs hit 6/7 wins us getting anything higher than a 20 pick was out the window. At this point you all are hoping for a 2-5 spot difference between picks, and that's a worst case scenario. Like I said before, no matter if that second round pick is middle of the pack or dead last, it won't have any bearing on our team nor our future. Yes we found Kap in the second, but we MOVED UP to get him. Having the pick itself is what's important, the order of said pick is just a formality, because at the end of the day it's not how many or how high of a pick you have... it's what you do with them. Screw the Chiefs (except my boy DJ, lo, his wife would kill me if she knew I said that), and Screw Alex. We got our second I'm good. Three picks in the first two rounds for a team that could easily go to the super bowl is ridiculous, no matter if it's the 15th pick in the second or the 30th. Because knowing this front office and coaching staff if we take a player with that pick he will sit for 2-3 years baring health issues.
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