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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by Amir:
can't wait to see the Broncos whoop the Chiefs ass in two weeks. Chiefs D will hold the Broncos to 30 points but Alex and Co can't put that up.
the cheifs Defense got their butts kicked...too bad Tuel cant play Alex ball.

Peyton has something to prove with this Division game vs the Chiefs
Perspective: In August, I merely hoped that KC would have a winning record and a possible, maybe outside chance of a playoff seed in this year 1.

So regardless of whether the Broncos whip that arse... regardless of whether KC is one and done in the playoffs... they still exceeded expectations. They still had a fun ride in year 1, and they can add to that again in the following years. Once that.... IF that OL ever improves? this Chiefs team will get the offense kicked into a higher gear. The 2011 49ers offense was similar in failure... a young RT still struggling with pass pro... a RG and C struggling mightily... and Smith had a solid season then. When the OL improved in 2012, his efficiency was best in the NFL...

So, if the OL improves even marginally? The Chiefs offense can do more of the heavy lifting. Can they improve in 2 weeks? Maybe.. we'll see. I suspect they will be better in late December and on.. but who can say. Been a fun ride either way... and I am glad for both SF and KC success this season.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
No, I'm not implying anyone has a problem that roots for two teams. I see that implication thrown around quite a bit, but it's not the case. Although as it stands this season, rooting for the Chiefs to win another game comes at the expense of the Niners draft position. So I guess I have a hard time understanding why some can ignore that. My main issue is it feels like I am arguing against a bunch of biased fans, lol. I guess that's the point I'm making.

I really don't care personally. 1 draft position is not the difference between a SB or maybe even a win to me. I understand where people are coming from though. It may land us another awesome player, but it's not a huge deal to me. And I'm not speaking of you personally but there are people that won't let it go.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Perspective: In August, I merely hoped that KC would have a winning record and a possible, maybe outside chance of a playoff seed in this year 1.

So regardless of whether the Broncos whip that arse... regardless of whether KC is one and done in the playoffs... they still exceeded expectations. They still had a fun ride in year 1, and they can add to that again in the following years. Once that.... IF that OL ever improves? this Chiefs team will get the offense kicked into a higher gear. The 2011 49ers offense was similar in failure... a young RT still struggling with pass pro... a RG and C struggling mightily... and Smith had a solid season then. When the OL improved in 2012, his efficiency was best in the NFL...

So, if the OL improves even marginally? The Chiefs offense can do more of the heavy lifting. Can they improve in 2 weeks? Maybe.. we'll see. I suspect they will be better in late December and on.. but who can say. Been a fun ride either way... and I am glad for both SF and KC success this season.

With all the high %'s and efficiency..the block to the next level for AS is his safe play.

Almost every game that the chiefs played has been a grinder do to giving the other teams a chance to be in it. I guess it's cool and good that he is winning at the end of the day...but he does need to get better and it start with 3rd downs. or

it will be a repeat of the 2011 NFCCG Stalemate (Two good Defenses) till one team makes a mistake
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
With all the high %'s and efficiency..the block to the next level for AS is his safe play.

Almost every game that the chiefs played has been a grinder do to giving the other teams a chance to be in it. I guess it's cool and good that he is winning at the end of the day...but he does need to get better and it start with 3rd downs. or

it will be a repeat of the 2011 NFCCG Stalemate (Two good Defenses) till one team makes a mistake

That's myopic thinking, really. Just watch the games... you just can't churn in nice drives with this OL. Jeff Allen is a disaster... top 10 in drops.. bottom 10 in pass pro..

There are few if any QBs that can step right in and make this offense a machine so far...

It's really just as simple as that... always has been. If the OL and receivers can just be adequate, then this offense will move from 16th in efficiency to top 10-12... and that would be plenty good enough to start separating from opponents much earlier in games.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
With all the high %'s and efficiency..the block to the next level for AS is his safe play.

Almost every game that the chiefs played has been a grinder do to giving the other teams a chance to be in it. I guess it's cool and good that he is winning at the end of the day...but he does need to get better and it start with 3rd downs. or

it will be a repeat of the 2011 NFCCG Stalemate (Two good Defenses) till one team makes a mistake

That's myopic thinking, really. Just watch the games... you just can't churn in nice drives with this OL. Jeff Allen is a disaster... top 10 in drops.. bottom 10 in pass pro..

There are few if any QBs that can step right in and make this offense a machine so far...

It's really just as simple as that... always has been. If the OL and receivers can just be adequate, then this offense will move from 16th in efficiency to top 10-12... and that would be plenty good enough to start separating from opponents much earlier in games.

Very top in false starts they said during the game yesterday.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
With all the high %'s and efficiency..the block to the next level for AS is his safe play.

Almost every game that the chiefs played has been a grinder do to giving the other teams a chance to be in it. I guess it's cool and good that he is winning at the end of the day...but he does need to get better and it start with 3rd downs. or

it will be a repeat of the 2011 NFCCG Stalemate (Two good Defenses) till one team makes a mistake

That's myopic thinking, really. Just watch the games... you just can't churn in nice drives with this OL. Jeff Allen is a disaster... top 10 in drops.. bottom 10 in pass pro..

There are few if any QBs that can step right in and make this offense a machine so far...

It's really just as simple as that... always has been. If the OL and receivers can just be adequate, then this offense will move from 16th in efficiency to top 10-12... and that would be plenty good enough to start separating from opponents much earlier in games.
it might be myopic or just coincidence maybe even bad luck that OL and Dropsies follow AS ?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it might be myopic or just coincidence maybe even bad luck that OL and Dropsies follow AS ?

Hard to say.

In both 2011 and 2013 instances, you are dealing with an OL learning together as they go. KC went from more zone blocking in 2012 to more man in 2013. Jeff Allen is either just lacking in talent, or not adjusting well. Hudson (the C) is inexperienced and coming off a broken leg. Fisher is a small school rookie, and lacks power.. plus was injured early on. Branden Albert generally gives up the edge too quickly on 3-4 plays per game. Sometimes, these fails are critical.. sometimes not. The penalties are more likely from both inexperience and trouble adjusting to the new scheme.

The drops? Well, no one would boast this group as very good in the first place. Passes dropped are hitting the receivers in their hands, and not difficult, poorly placed ones. They are from a lack of focus or poor separation leading to a defender breaking the connection up. We can call some of this bad luck and coincidence. These are often problems of a prior losing team learning slowly to be better.

The encouraging thing is... with all of these many issues.. this team finds ways to win when it counts. I expected things to improve more quickly.. so maybe the position coaches are a problem. Andy Heck is their OL coach, and came over from Jacksonville.. who also sported an underwhelming OL in pass pro.

There are a lot of things that need to come together for KC. Most fair minds paying close attention recognize the OL as the largest issue.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it might be myopic or just coincidence maybe even bad luck that OL and Dropsies follow AS ?

Wait... I thought he was lucky. You know, awesome coaching and great defenses always carrying him....
i hope they lose in the playoffs because if we see them in the superbowl i really dont know what would happen. seems like alex has been beat down by the coaches, media and fans around here to have infinite levels of incentive to have the best game of his life against us in the big game. id rather they get beat by the pats, broncos or something and we eat their children in the superbowl instead lol
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
i hope they lose in the playoffs because if we see them in the superbowl i really dont know what would happen. seems like alex has been beat down by the coaches, media and fans around here to have infinite levels of incentive to have the best game of his life against us in the big game. id rather they get beat by the pats, broncos or something and we eat their children in the superbowl instead lol

I doubt that they will make the SB, but if they did and we played them, I have no doubt that we would whoop that ass.
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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
i hope they lose in the playoffs because if we see them in the superbowl i really dont know what would happen. seems like alex has been beat down by the coaches, media and fans around here to have infinite levels of incentive to have the best game of his life against us in the big game. id rather they get beat by the pats, broncos or something and we eat their children in the superbowl instead lol

Alex looked nervous playing us in preseason. i wouldn't be worried playing him the SB. i really hope we do actually.
I think the story line would be fantastic. Alex playing against his old team with something to prove. Kaep and Alex going head to head. One guy that lost his job to Kaep, and another guy that took his job. 2 great defenses. All around this would be very fun to watch.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I think the story line would be fantastic. Alex playing against his old team with something to prove. Kaep and Alex going head to head. One guy that lost his job to Kaep, and another guy that took his job. 2 great defenses. All around this would be very fun to watch.

49ers 31 - Chiefs 9
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it might be myopic or just coincidence maybe even bad luck that OL and Dropsies follow AS ?

Hard to say.

In both 2011 and 2013 instances, you are dealing with an OL learning together as they go. KC went from more zone blocking in 2012 to more man in 2013. Jeff Allen is either just lacking in talent, or not adjusting well. Hudson (the C) is inexperienced and coming off a broken leg. Fisher is a small school rookie, and lacks power.. plus was injured early on. Branden Albert generally gives up the edge too quickly on 3-4 plays per game. Sometimes, these fails are critical.. sometimes not. The penalties are more likely from both inexperience and trouble adjusting to the new scheme.

The drops? Well, no one would boast this group as very good in the first place. Passes dropped are hitting the receivers in their hands, and not difficult, poorly placed ones. They are from a lack of focus or poor separation leading to a defender breaking the connection up. We can call some of this bad luck and coincidence. These are often problems of a prior losing team learning slowly to be better.

The encouraging thing is... with all of these many issues.. this team finds ways to win when it counts. I expected things to improve more quickly.. so maybe the position coaches are a problem. Andy Heck is their OL coach, and came over from Jacksonville.. who also sported an underwhelming OL in pass pro.

There are a lot of things that need to come together for KC. Most fair minds paying close attention recognize the OL as the largest issue.

A big one is a QB who doesn't throw deep very often. This is why the entire other portion of the offense must play flawless. When TD's mainly come from 8-10 play drives taking small chunks at a time, mistakes cannot be made. The smallest mistake appears huge in an Alex Smith lead offense. Why? Because rarely can it over come mistakes due to its inability to make the big play.

A lot of it has to do with the QB's inability to attempt bigger quick-hitting plays.

Look at SEA. Their OL is worse AND they have a more mobile QB. Their receivers are worse. What keeps them from losing games? The QB's ability to make big plays.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM ]