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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Turnovers are huge.

Alex hasn't thrown for a TD in the last 4 games BUT hasn't turned it over either.

A win is a win. 9-0

I think they lose both to Denver and maybe 2 more.

I'd love for us to play KC in the Super Bowl and wouldn't have many worries.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Turnovers are huge.

Alex hasn't thrown for a TD in the last 4 games BUT hasn't turned it over either.

A win is a win. 9-0

I think they lose both to Denver and maybe 2 more.

I'd love for us to play KC in the Super Bowl and wouldn't have many worries.

just sayin', Alex did throw a TD pass the Sunday before last...
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Turnovers are huge.

Alex hasn't thrown for a TD in the last 4 games BUT hasn't turned it over either.

A win is a win. 9-0

I think they lose both to Denver and maybe 2 more.

I'd love for us to play KC in the Super Bowl and wouldn't have many worries.

just sayin', Alex did throw a TD pass the Sunday before last...

2TD against the Browns

Why you tried to short change Alex...?


Originally posted by qnnhan7:
2TD against the Browns

Why you tried to short change Alex...?



Busted! I iz an Alex hater trying to minimize heeeem!
That's a TD to McCluster...

Smith should've had better ball placement and throw McCluster open on a back-shoulder throw.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
2TD against the Browns

Why you tried to short change Alex...?



Busted! I iz an Alex hater trying to minimize heeeem!

Knew you were wolf in sheep clothing
Originally posted by mkmasn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by mkmasn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by mkmasn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
I don't think they're a typical 9-0 team. Do you? I mean most 9-0 teams would be mentioned in the same breath as a Superbowl contender. I don't think the Chiefs are a Superbowl contender.

Take a look at the SOS of the Miami Dolphins in 72. It is amazing....

Originally posted by AmpLee:
lol, yes you're right, I lost track. But that's largely because I found the link irrelevant. We played good teams in 2011. Remember when we beat the Saints in the playoffs, and lost to the Ravens on the road, or lost to the Giants in the NFCCG?

The season isn't over for them, but the one good team they played, they beat. They have beaten a lot of crappy teams and some average teams. Hard to make those comparisons at this point..but what I can say is the SOS in 2011 for the niners isn't much different than what the Chiefs are playing now. So I don't know how you think it is irrelevant.

I don't need to check out the '72 Dolphins SOS. They played and beat good teams in the playoffs. As did the '11 Niners. The Chiefs have yet to beat, let alone play a good team. Please point out the one team you are referring to because I only see average and below average teams (lol if referring to Cowboys). Bottom line is they squeaked out a win against a really bad team that outplayed them today. Color me unconvinced.

How are you going to sit there and make the argument that '72 Miami beat good teams in the playoffs and somehow use that to negate a 9-0 team, halfway through the season, before the playoffs happen?

I just remembered why I don't frequent this board too often anymore. Sense is not all that common.

The simple fact of the matter is "good teams" and "bad teams" make no difference. The only thing that matters is THAT SUNDAY. The Jets just beat the Saints. The Browns just beat the Ravens.Tampa took Seattle to OT.

You either win on Sunday or you don't. Strength of schedule doesn't matter, the record of the teams you play against don't matter, this stupid argument doesn't matter. The Chiefs are a contender. FACT.

Maybe if you didn't misrepresent my argument, it would make better sense. I'm not using the '72 Dolphins to compare against the Chiefs. Another poster brought up that comparison regarding strength of schedule. I argued that while the Dolphins may have had a similar SOS, we could look back and see that they beat all their playoff competition. Again, and I don't know why this is so difficult to understand, the quality of the opponent is a huge factor in why KC is 9-0. And I'll state my argument again; it is because of the quality of their opponent has been so weak that has allowed a good team in the Chiefs to go undefeated through the first 9 weeks. And I give them a huge chunk of credit for winning games they should win. That being said, until they face off against a good to elite team, we cannot simply say they are contenders. They have beat a bunch of crappy teams, and not very convincingly in some instances. It is my belief they are overrated and not an elite team and the coming weeks will prove that to be true.

And the quality of opponent certainly matters. Yes, this is the NFL, but let's not pretend that playing VS the Bills and playing VS the Broncos are similar. Again, I think KC is a good team and they are winning the games they should, which is not an easy accomplishment. Let's see what happens when they face off against a powerhouse.

Nobody is misrepresenting your argument.

I argued that while the Dolphins may have had a similar SOS, we could look back and see that they beat all their playoff competition.

You are directly comparing the 2013 KC Chiefs to the '72 Dolphins, "similar SOS," but they beat all their playoff competition. Then you say that the 9-0 Chiefs aren't a superbowl contender, even with the best record in the league.

Quality of opponent makes absolutely zero difference. Injuries, weather, game time, referees, coaching, etc ALL factor in more heavily than quality of opponent. As I already said, if the Steelers can beat the Jets and the Jets can beat the Saints, and the Vikings can beat the Steelers, The Chargers and the Dolphins can beat the Colts, the Colts can beat the Broncos, then please explain to me how SOS matters whatsoever.

Name all the teams you would consider "elite," then spout off their record.

The only elite team in the NFL right now is the KC Chiefs.

Game. Set. Match.

You are misrepresenting my argument. ANOTHER poster compared the '72 Phin's SOS to the current Chief's SOS. I argued that it wasn't a relevant comparison since the Chiefs hadn't played a playoff caliber opponent yet. So that I don't have to continue repeating myself, I am saying that using the SOS of the '72 Dolphins as evidence that the 2013 Chiefs are a contender is ridiculous. My goodness.

As for your idea that quality of opponent makes no difference whether a team wins a game, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Nowhere did I claim that the better team always wins or that the worst team always loses. Any given Sunday anything can happen, however, the odds are greatly stacked in the favor of the superior team. A ton of factors also are important in determining a winner or loser, like home field, injuries, referees, etc. But you have to be insane to believe that the quality of an opponent is not paramount, let alone has no meaning. That's like saying playing the Jaguars is the same as playing the Seahawks. Insane.

I guess we'll have to revisit this conversation next week when the only elite team in the league squares off against Payton Manning and the Broncos.

Game. Set. Meh.

I'm not misrepresenting your argument at all. I honestly suggest you go back and read exactly what you said. Then, if you don't agree, rephrase your argument.

I don't need to check out the '72 Dolphins SOS. They played and beat good teams in the playoffs. As did the '11 Niners. The Chiefs have yet to beat, let alone play a good team.

The Chiefs are undefeated, just like the Dolphins were. Perfectly valid comparison. Then you choose to overlook the fact that no other team in the league is 9-0, as if it's an easy thing to do, by saying you can't make the comparison because the Dolphins beat playoff teams in the playoffs. Do you understand that your argument, and then the reasoning behind your opinion, is flawed to the core? You can't deny this, because then you talk about the Niners and their playoff games.

If you honestly think an undefeated team, led by a QB who brought the 49ers within a fumble of the superbowl, is not a contender, you're delusional. You don't think the Chiefs are "Elite," whatever, that's your opinion. It's wrong, but it's your opinion. I'm still waiting for that list of elite teams and their records which proves your point.

Keep telling me what my argument is and eventually it'll come true. You clearly don't understand my point. The SOS is not a valid method to compare any team that has played a full season (including playoffs) to a team that is 9 games deep and hasn't played a quality opponent.

I've been spending more time arguing a silly little hypothetical point, I apologize I haven't had time to fulfill your request.

My list of elite teams...

49ers, Seahawks, Saints, Packers, Broncos, Colts, Patriots

The italicized one's I would argue are on the fringe based on questionable defenses and/or weapons. That being said, the common element of the italicized teams is that they are always dangerous because they are led by elite QBs who have won it all before. I think 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, and Colts have much more balanced teams and they would be my guess as the 4 best teams in the league. I am starting to wonder about the Seahawks being included, but they've creamed us twice in a row so until we can expose their weakness they are an elite squad in my book. Now expose my argument by pointing out all of their losses games they played poorly as evidence that they aren't as good as the Chiefs.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
2TD against the Browns

Why you tried to short change Alex...?



Busted! I iz an Alex hater trying to minimize heeeem!

Knew you were wolf in sheep clothing



Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Goodness, you say the Chiefs are overrated and a bunch of Niner fans get all bent outta shape. Makes you wonder.

Lol. Wonder what?

People argue these points about all kinds of teams and issues here - See the other sports threads, etc.

People here disagree about how good the Chefs are. There is an extra sensitivity here because their QB is our old QB and draft picks are involved. There is also a lot of history. But arguing about how good the Chefs may or may not be, whether they should be #1 in some other a hole's power rankings, etc, does not make one less of a Niner fan.

Wonder what team they like more. I'm not trying to incite, it just really feels like I am arguing with Chiefs fans. I find it hard (this season at least) to justify rooting for the Chiefs to win another game at the expense of our draft position. And Other Sports is a great example of what I'm talking about. It reminds me of a thread where guys are arguing about their favorite baseball team or favorite basketball team. Go in there and call someone's favorite team overrated, and you'll see quite a similar reaction. Again, because I know how sensitive some guys are in here, I am not questioning their fandom towards the Niners, I am questioning it towards the Chiefs.
KCs luck is bottomless. Fox is having a heart procedure. With KCs luck, he won't be there for the KC/DEN game.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Wonder what team they like more. I'm not trying to incite, it just really feels like I am arguing with Chiefs fans. I find it hard (this season at least) to justify rooting for the Chiefs to win another game at the expense of our draft position. And Other Sports is a great example of what I'm talking about. It reminds me of a thread where guys are arguing about their favorite baseball team or favorite basketball team. Go in there and call someone's favorite team overrated, and you'll see quite a similar reaction. Again, because I know how sensitive some guys are in here, I am not questioning their fandom towards the Niners, I am questioning it towards the Chiefs.

I like rooting for the Chiefs. I'm a fan and have no problem admitting that. What's the big deal? I'm a die hard Utes fan as well and have really enjoyed watching Alex since his first snap taken, to his 12-0 BCS victory, through his struggles, and now his successes. It's admirable to me the way he keeps putting it to the detractors. He keeps fighting. To me sometime there is more to life than being a "49er faithful". Does that make me any less of a 49er fan? Maybe, but If so why does it bother people? They are a fun team to watch even without Alex. Call my 49ers fandom what you will(not you inparticularly) but I still don't understand why that bothers so many people.

Does that make me any less of a person because I like watching 2 teams now?
Originally posted by Joecool:
KCs luck is bottomless. Fox is having a heart procedure. With KCs luck, he won't be there for the KC/DEN game.

welp... sounds like you have the next excuse card in hand and ready to turn in two weeks from now.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Wonder what team they like more. I'm not trying to incite, it just really feels like I am arguing with Chiefs fans. I find it hard (this season at least) to justify rooting for the Chiefs to win another game at the expense of our draft position. And Other Sports is a great example of what I'm talking about. It reminds me of a thread where guys are arguing about their favorite baseball team or favorite basketball team. Go in there and call someone's favorite team overrated, and you'll see quite a similar reaction. Again, because I know how sensitive some guys are in here, I am not questioning their fandom towards the Niners, I am questioning it towards the Chiefs.

I like rooting for the Chiefs. I'm a fan and have no problem admitting that. What's the big deal? I'm a die hard Utes fan as well and have really enjoyed watching Alex since his first snap taken, to his 12-0 BCS victory, through his struggles, and now his successes. It's admirable to me the way he keeps putting it to the detractors. He keeps fighting. To me sometime there is more to life than being a "49er faithful". Does that make me any less of a 49er fan? Maybe, but If so why does it bother people? They are a fun team to watch even without Alex. Call my 49ers fandom what you will(not you inparticularly) but I still don't understand why that bothers so many people.

Does that make me any less of a person because I like watching 2 teams now?

No, I'm not implying anyone has a problem that roots for two teams. I see that implication thrown around quite a bit, but it's not the case. Although as it stands this season, rooting for the Chiefs to win another game comes at the expense of the Niners draft position. So I guess I have a hard time understanding why some can ignore that. My main issue is it feels like I am arguing against a bunch of biased fans, lol. I guess that's the point I'm making.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I like rooting for the Chiefs. I'm a fan and have no problem admitting that. What's the big deal? I'm a die hard Utes fan as well and have really enjoyed watching Alex since his first snap taken, to his 12-0 BCS victory, through his struggles, and now his successes. It's admirable to me the way he keeps putting it to the detractors. He keeps fighting. To me sometime there is more to life than being a "49er faithful". Does that make me any less of a 49er fan? Maybe, but If so why does it bother people? They are a fun team to watch even without Alex. Call my 49ers fandom what you will(not you inparticularly) but I still don't understand why that bothers so many people.

Does that make me any less of a person because I like watching 2 teams now?

I agree with all of this... except I didn't care about the Utes, and I hated that we drafted Smith in 05. I don't give a damn if any of you love a dozen other teams as well as SF... why should I? Like who you want to like. Such allegiances don't affect my world in any way.
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can't wait to see the Broncos whoop the Chiefs ass in two weeks. Chiefs D will hold the Broncos to 30 points but Alex and Co can't put that up.