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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by Joecool:
When are the chiefs going to play vs a starting QB?

Exactly. They have 4 victories against backup quarterbacks.
Goodness, you say the Chiefs are overrated and a bunch of Niner fans get all bent outta shape. Makes you wonder.
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by Joecool:
When are the chiefs going to play vs a starting QB?

Exactly. They have 4 victories against backup quarterbacks.

I've never rooted for Peyton Manning. That said, I can't wait for Peyton to rip a new one into those Chiefs.
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by Joecool:
When are the chiefs going to play vs a starting QB?

Exactly. They have 4 victories against backup quarterbacks.


and victories vs eli manning, tony romo and michael vick
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by K1ngCoopa24:
The Chiefs didn't look good on offense today, but the receivers didn't do much to help out Alex. McCluster dropped a perfectly thrown corner route and he was wide open. Bowe had a drop also. But, their defense bailed out the offense, sounds eerily familiar. If they split with Denver, they'll probably win the AFC West and have the 1 seed in the AFC, barring a miraculous collapse on their part. If they get a wildcard bye, they stand a good chance of being the AFC rep in the Super Bowl. While their offense needs to get better, their defense is playing at a very high level and keeping games close for them to win.

They scraped out a win against the Bills with a noodle-armed UDFA rookie QB making his first ever start. The Bills gashed them on the ground and visibly outplayed them. Nothing eerily similar about it, imo. I've always been a supporter of Alex, but they are not a Superbowl contender. When they play a team who is better than halfway decent and beat them, then we can possibly talk about the Chiefs in the same breath as the upper-echelon teams.

are you sure you didn't post anti alex posts under a different screen name-----I hear that a lot of that has been going on
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by mkmasn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by mkmasn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
I don't think they're a typical 9-0 team. Do you? I mean most 9-0 teams would be mentioned in the same breath as a Superbowl contender. I don't think the Chiefs are a Superbowl contender.

Take a look at the SOS of the Miami Dolphins in 72. It is amazing....

Originally posted by AmpLee:
lol, yes you're right, I lost track. But that's largely because I found the link irrelevant. We played good teams in 2011. Remember when we beat the Saints in the playoffs, and lost to the Ravens on the road, or lost to the Giants in the NFCCG?

The season isn't over for them, but the one good team they played, they beat. They have beaten a lot of crappy teams and some average teams. Hard to make those comparisons at this point..but what I can say is the SOS in 2011 for the niners isn't much different than what the Chiefs are playing now. So I don't know how you think it is irrelevant.

I don't need to check out the '72 Dolphins SOS. They played and beat good teams in the playoffs. As did the '11 Niners. The Chiefs have yet to beat, let alone play a good team. Please point out the one team you are referring to because I only see average and below average teams (lol if referring to Cowboys). Bottom line is they squeaked out a win against a really bad team that outplayed them today. Color me unconvinced.

How are you going to sit there and make the argument that '72 Miami beat good teams in the playoffs and somehow use that to negate a 9-0 team, halfway through the season, before the playoffs happen?

I just remembered why I don't frequent this board too often anymore. Sense is not all that common.

The simple fact of the matter is "good teams" and "bad teams" make no difference. The only thing that matters is THAT SUNDAY. The Jets just beat the Saints. The Browns just beat the Ravens.Tampa took Seattle to OT.

You either win on Sunday or you don't. Strength of schedule doesn't matter, the record of the teams you play against don't matter, this stupid argument doesn't matter. The Chiefs are a contender. FACT.

Maybe if you didn't misrepresent my argument, it would make better sense. I'm not using the '72 Dolphins to compare against the Chiefs. Another poster brought up that comparison regarding strength of schedule. I argued that while the Dolphins may have had a similar SOS, we could look back and see that they beat all their playoff competition. Again, and I don't know why this is so difficult to understand, the quality of the opponent is a huge factor in why KC is 9-0. And I'll state my argument again; it is because of the quality of their opponent has been so weak that has allowed a good team in the Chiefs to go undefeated through the first 9 weeks. And I give them a huge chunk of credit for winning games they should win. That being said, until they face off against a good to elite team, we cannot simply say they are contenders. They have beat a bunch of crappy teams, and not very convincingly in some instances. It is my belief they are overrated and not an elite team and the coming weeks will prove that to be true.

And the quality of opponent certainly matters. Yes, this is the NFL, but let's not pretend that playing VS the Bills and playing VS the Broncos are similar. Again, I think KC is a good team and they are winning the games they should, which is not an easy accomplishment. Let's see what happens when they face off against a powerhouse.

Nobody is misrepresenting your argument.

I argued that while the Dolphins may have had a similar SOS, we could look back and see that they beat all their playoff competition.

You are directly comparing the 2013 KC Chiefs to the '72 Dolphins, "similar SOS," but they beat all their playoff competition. Then you say that the 9-0 Chiefs aren't a superbowl contender, even with the best record in the league.

Quality of opponent makes absolutely zero difference. Injuries, weather, game time, referees, coaching, etc ALL factor in more heavily than quality of opponent. As I already said, if the Steelers can beat the Jets and the Jets can beat the Saints, and the Vikings can beat the Steelers, The Chargers and the Dolphins can beat the Colts, the Colts can beat the Broncos, then please explain to me how SOS matters whatsoever.

Name all the teams you would consider "elite," then spout off their record.

The only elite team in the NFL right now is the KC Chiefs.

Game. Set. Match.

You are misrepresenting my argument. ANOTHER poster compared the '72 Phin's SOS to the current Chief's SOS. I argued that it wasn't a relevant comparison since the Chiefs hadn't played a playoff caliber opponent yet. So that I don't have to continue repeating myself, I am saying that using the SOS of the '72 Dolphins as evidence that the 2013 Chiefs are a contender is ridiculous. My goodness.

As for your idea that quality of opponent makes no difference whether a team wins a game, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Nowhere did I claim that the better team always wins or that the worst team always loses. Any given Sunday anything can happen, however, the odds are greatly stacked in the favor of the superior team. A ton of factors also are important in determining a winner or loser, like home field, injuries, referees, etc. But you have to be insane to believe that the quality of an opponent is not paramount, let alone has no meaning. That's like saying playing the Jaguars is the same as playing the Seahawks. Insane.

I guess we'll have to revisit this conversation next week when the only elite team in the league squares off against Payton Manning and the Broncos.

Game. Set. Meh.

I'm not misrepresenting your argument at all. I honestly suggest you go back and read exactly what you said. Then, if you don't agree, rephrase your argument.

I don't need to check out the '72 Dolphins SOS. They played and beat good teams in the playoffs. As did the '11 Niners. The Chiefs have yet to beat, let alone play a good team.

The Chiefs are undefeated, just like the Dolphins were. Perfectly valid comparison. Then you choose to overlook the fact that no other team in the league is 9-0, as if it's an easy thing to do, by saying you can't make the comparison because the Dolphins beat playoff teams in the playoffs. Do you understand that your argument, and then the reasoning behind your opinion, is flawed to the core? You can't deny this, because then you talk about the Niners and their playoff games.

If you honestly think an undefeated team, led by a QB who brought the 49ers within a fumble of the superbowl, is not a contender, you're delusional. You don't think the Chiefs are "Elite," whatever, that's your opinion. It's wrong, but it's your opinion. I'm still waiting for that list of elite teams and their records which proves your point.
[ Edited by mkmasn on Nov 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM ]
Just some quick thoughts on the last couple of pages...

- this "they are not playing starting QBs" doesn't really hold weight for me. If anything, it can be tougher for a defense to figure out a "new" quarterback. There isn't much if any film on them... so a defense is at a disadvantage of not knowing quite what to expect. bob Sutton (DC) is very clever, and would likely have more success against QBs that have more of a body of work to counter.

We should know how this works. SF has had backup QBs that come in and have some initial success.. only to fizzle out and burn once opponents figure out their game. Not that they were remarkably skilled.. but because the D had little or no preparation in what to expect. KC played Philly and didn't know what would be thrown at them... Fitzpatrick for Tennessee had carved up KC in the past.. Keenum for Houston looks to be an upgrade to Schaub... Campbell and Pryor are on even ground, IMHO.. not impressed enough with Bills' rookie EJ Manuel to say it makes any difference had he started instead of Tuel.. who like the rest, was plenty capable except that awful pick 6.

- people are acting as if KC's offense "is what it is" and will not improve. Maybe that turns out to be the case... but it's easily fair to doubt that it doesn't improve as it goes.

- the true contenders in the AFC? KC, Denver, Indy, NE, Cincy?.... anyone else? Even if KC's offense only marginally improves... maybe even if it doesn't... they have a fair chance of beating any of those handful of opponents. To say they are not dominating opponents is fair and true... but to not consider them contenders is not, IMHO.
Yesterday's game wasn't about Tuel. He did some good things for Buffalo, but he wasn't the main concern for the Chiefs defense. It was the poor run defense of the Chiefs. Spiller was only slowed by his foot injury. The Chiefs had no answer for Spiller well into the 3rd qtr. There were gaps all over inside and outside of the Chiefs defense for Spiller. The tackling was atrocious. They redeemed themselves with the 2 turnover scores, but the run defense still needs fixing. The Chiefs' offense is not a quick strike type, so with a weak run defense, they will have a tired defense and less opportunity offense. They need to fix that quick. Otherwise, I can see them going 9-7 at the end of the season
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 4, 2013 at 6:32 AM ]
You don't turn the ball over you more than likely will win. Bills lost due to turning the ball over. Chiefs won because they didn't turn the ball over. It's really not as complex as many make it out to be.

Look at Geno beating the Saints. 0 turnovers, while Brees had 2.with nearly 400 yards passing. Look at that douche for the the Bucs. 0 turnovers and they could have beaten the Seahawks. It's a winning formula but people like to b***h because it's not fun to watch.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Goodness, you say the Chiefs are overrated and a bunch of Niner fans get all bent outta shape. Makes you wonder.

Your shock and wonder are less than convincing. But I doubt folks are putting the Chiefs in the Hall of Fame for teams yet. Some, not yours necessarily, attacks on the Chiefs are veiled, or not so veiled, attacks on Smith by those who will not be content until he is long dead and buried...chase him to the ends of earth and then scorch the earth!
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Goodness, you say the Chiefs are overrated and a bunch of Niner fans get all bent outta shape. Makes you wonder.

Lol. Wonder what?

People argue these points about all kinds of teams and issues here - See the other sports threads, etc.

People here disagree about how good the Chefs are. There is an extra sensitivity here because their QB is our old QB and draft picks are involved. There is also a lot of history. But arguing about how good the Chefs may or may not be, whether they should be #1 in some other a hole's power rankings, etc, does not make one less of a Niner fan.
9-0
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by Joecool:
When are the chiefs going to play vs a starting QB?

Exactly. They have 4 victories against backup quarterbacks.

Yeah that Case Keenum over in Texas really sucks....and who the F is Romo?
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
You don't turn the ball over you more than likely will win. Bills lost due to turning the ball over. Chiefs won because they didn't turn the ball over. It's really not as complex as many make it out to be.

Look at Geno beating the Saints. 0 turnovers, while Brees had 2.with nearly 400 yards passing. Look at that douche for the the Bucs. 0 turnovers and they could have beaten the Seahawks. It's a winning formula but people like to b***h because it's not fun to watch.

wouldnt be surprised at all if schiano were fired today--losing thatr 21-0 lead should be the last straw, after his fight with freeman and losing the lcoker room
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Goodness, you say the Chiefs are overrated and a bunch of Niner fans get all bent outta shape. Makes you wonder.

Lol. Wonder what?

People argue these points about all kinds of teams and issues here - See the other sports threads, etc.

People here disagree about how good the Chefs are. There is an extra sensitivity here because their QB is our old QB and draft picks are involved. There is also a lot of history. But arguing about how good the Chefs may or may not be, whether they should be #1 in some other a hole's power rankings, etc, does not make one less of a Niner fan.

Let's call this for what it is...he's saying that some of us are more Chief fans than 9er fans. He's just saying it in a way that doesn't get him a warning.

Amp, Stop worrying about other people. Who I root for isn't of anyone's concern. My 9er fandom, while perfectly intact in my mind, is not anyone's business. Even if I were a Chiefs fan and not a 9er's fan I'd have every right to be here. My fandom does not jeopardize yours.

Get over it.