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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Those averages are not a representation of their recent games. KC stacked up the averages in the first few games. It's like a receiver catching for 200 yards one week and then 40 each of the two following weeks to average 80 a game.

Averages are great but they don't show consistency very well.

uhh...Chiefs TOP yesterday was 36 minutes 5 seconds. Niners 28 minutes 29 seconds.

That just shows even more that they are an inconsistent offense from game to game. They have 4 games where they are in the top 5 of TOP category and they have 4 games where they are ranked 13th.
Originally posted by Joecool:
That just shows even more that they are an inconsistent offense from game to game. They have 4 games where they are in the top 5 of TOP category and they have 4 games where they are ranked 13th.

considering they have a new coaching staff, new playbook, new QB, new pieces on the OL, new WR #2, TE # 1 on IR, TE #2 was out for a month...some inconsistency was to be expected.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
First 3 scoring drives: Smith over threw an open Fasano in the left corner end zone that would have been a TD. He was trying to get it over the defender underneath but has to be towards the out of bound so the defender over the top can't get to it. Should have been a TD for Smith and Fasano. Too many underneath stuff called by Reid to Charles, McCluster, and Sherman. Cleveland was on to them by the 3rd field goal attempt by Succop which he missed. They held Charles on a screen the previous play, Smith had to blow it up and threw it to the ground.

The offensive line gave Smith excellent time in the pocket in the first half with exception of that 1 sack in the red zone. That TD to McCluster was a beauty very similar to the Smith to Delanie Walker against the Bucs in 2011. And a few to VD some years before that. I think the Browns blew the coverage because they were looking for the usual short stuff from Andy Reid. Andy did a change up

Chiefs defense still capable of giving up a quick strike, head scratching TD. They need to clean up their tackling and coverage.

i loved the scheme on the screen pass to sherman for touchdown, putting 3 blockers out in front of the rather slow footed fullback, to escort him into the end zone
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Wins/Losses are a "team" thing. So it's really pointless to say "one is undefeated". Truth is, there's a HUGE difference between the way Kaep is playing vs Smith. One has a lethal arm, and incredible legs, and puts fear in defenses.

The other throws check downs, will never attack deep, and leaves it up to the defense. <---we've all witnessed (for 8 years) what this formula results to. Heart break.

Bottom line is this, believing in the Chiefs is like falling in love with a hooker. Don't do it.
I've missed like one chiefs game...they are all nail biters

go look on the kaepernick thread in niner talk, where the message is what are you guys complining about, the niners won...funny how posters like yourself preach that there, and then say the opposite here
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by verb1der:
No the defense isn't doing that, and the stats are about the same (except QBR which Kaep is higher, and he has more TDs scored).

Plus, it's not about stats, it's about being able to attack a defense, and not playing scared.

Smith attacks the defense in his own way...and it works. He scores and eats up huge chunks of the clock. The Chiefs have won the TOP battle in every game they played this season. Yesterday, despite the horrible second half, they still had a 6 minute advantage in the TOP. Winning the TOP helps the defense a lot, especially late into the season and playoffs.

I agree with your post. And I respect that about Smith's game, but what else is there?

clutch plays when it counts...see the td pass to dwalker in the lions game, the long pass to crabtree in the seattle game, the passes to the v.davis in the saints playoff game, the pass out of the end zone in the eagle game this year

also presnap reads, audibling to the proper play

good mobility, 218 yards rushing for the season

team play and leadership
[ Edited by hofer36 on Oct 28, 2013 at 1:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by verb1der:
No the defense isn't doing that, and the stats are about the same (except QBR which Kaep is higher, and he has more TDs scored).

Plus, it's not about stats, it's about being able to attack a defense, and not playing scared.

Smith attacks the defense in his own way...and it works. He scores and eats up huge chunks of the clock. The Chiefs have won the TOP battle in every game they played this season. Yesterday, despite the horrible second half, they still had a 6 minute advantage in the TOP. Winning the TOP helps the defense a lot, especially late into the season and playoffs.

In the last 3 games, SF is ranked 6th in TOP. KC is ranked 13th. SF attacks the defense in the same manor as KC but SF can get big chunks upon call.

Previous post: That TD to McCluster was not very impressive on the QB's part as it was wide open. Nice play call and read but it was a pass that must have been completed. DB was 2 yards behind him and the Safety was 5 yards to his left upon his catch.

why cherry pick the last 3 games--what are the numbers for the season
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Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Wins/Losses are a "team" thing. So it's really pointless to say "one is undefeated". Truth is, there's a HUGE difference between the way Kaep is playing vs Smith. One has a lethal arm, and incredible legs, and puts fear in defenses.

The other throws check downs, will never attack deep, and leaves it up to the defense. <---we've all witnessed (for 8 years) what this formula results to. Heart break.

Bottom line is this, believing in the Chiefs is like falling in love with a hooker. Don't do it.
I've missed like one chiefs game...they are all nail biters

go look on the kaepernick thread in niner talk, where the message is what are you guys complining about, the niners won...funny how posters like yourself preach that there, and then say the opposite here
How is that related?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
smith plays best under pressure from what I remember him as when he was here. when he absolutely has to get it done he gets the team to do what it has to

No, that wasn't true. In past years, his play was terrible when the score was within 8 points. It has been posted before.

70.1 when ahead...but 93.0 when behind 1-8 points.

2012-
93.1 when ahead and 89.1 when behind by 1-8 points

2011
74.1 when ahead and 80.8 when behind.


So it really looks like he picks up his game when he needs to and cruises when he is ahead. If you were going to judge him just based on statistics.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Oct 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Those averages are not a representation of their recent games. KC stacked up the averages in the first few games. It's like a receiver catching for 200 yards one week and then 40 each of the two following weeks to average 80 a game.

Averages are great but they don't show consistency very well.

uhh...Chiefs TOP yesterday was 36 minutes 5 seconds. Niners 28 minutes 29 seconds.

That just shows even more that they are an inconsistent offense from game to game. They have 4 games where they are in the top 5 of TOP category and they have 4 games where they are ranked 13th.

So what you're saying is that if they don't have great or dominant TOP every single game, they're inconsistent. Teams are going to have some games lower than others. It's normal. Geez..

As far as Alex. he just dissected a Top 6 ranked passing defense, hitting 8 different receivers on his way to a 102 QB Rating with 225 yards, 2 TDs, no picks, and 40 rushing yards.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Those averages are not a representation of their recent games. KC stacked up the averages in the first few games. It's like a receiver catching for 200 yards one week and then 40 each of the two following weeks to average 80 a game.

Averages are great but they don't show consistency very well.

uhh...Chiefs TOP yesterday was 36 minutes 5 seconds. Niners 28 minutes 29 seconds.

That just shows even more that they are an inconsistent offense from game to game. They have 4 games where they are in the top 5 of TOP category and they have 4 games where they are ranked 13th.

So what you're saying is that if they don't have great or dominant TOP every single game, they're inconsistent. Teams are going to have some games lower than others. It's normal. Geez..

As far as Alex. he just dissected a Top 6 ranked passing defense, hitting 8 different receivers on his way to a 102 QB Rating with 225 yards, 2 TDs, no picks, and 40 rushing yards.

That's not what I'm saying. I am saying they are inconsistent and that TOP ranking doesn't determine how they will do in that stat from game to game. They are ranked 5th in TOP out of 8 games but in 4 of those games, they ranked 13th in TOP. That is a lot of deviation. I could understand if they fluctated within the top 10 from game to game but they are fluctuating worse than that.

To the bold, so did Jason Campbell. But defenses don't fear him either.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
smith plays best under pressure from what I remember him as when he was here. when he absolutely has to get it done he gets the team to do what it has to

No, that wasn't true. In past years, his play was terrible when the score was within 8 points. It has been posted before.

70.1 when ahead...but 93.0 when behind 1-8 points.

2012-
93.1 when ahead and 89.1 when behind by 1-8 points

2011
74.1 when ahead and 80.8 when behind.


So it really looks like he picks up his game when he needs to and cruises when he is ahead. If you were going to judge him just based on statistics.

That's odd because his overall rating in 2012 was 104.1 and in 2011 was 90.7. This means his rating dipped from his overall in those situations.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
smith plays best under pressure from what I remember him as when he was here. when he absolutely has to get it done he gets the team to do what it has to

No, that wasn't true. In past years, his play was terrible when the score was within 8 points. It has been posted before.

70.1 when ahead...but 93.0 when behind 1-8 points.

2012-
93.1 when ahead and 89.1 when behind by 1-8 points

2011
74.1 when ahead and 80.8 when behind.


So it really looks like he picks up his game when he needs to and cruises when he is ahead. If you were going to judge him just based on statistics.

That's odd because his overall rating in 2012 was 104.1 and in 2011 was 90.7. This means his rating dipped from his overall in those situations.

in 2011 he was KILLING it if they fell behind more than 8 or were ahead by more than 8. (like 120+ qbr)

2012 he was killing it if they were ahead..but fell a bit when they were behind more than 8. (sample size is small though)

This year he is killing it when they're head by more than 8....they have not been behind by more than 8 all season.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Oct 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM ]
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by verb1der:
No the defense isn't doing that, and the stats are about the same (except QBR which Kaep is higher, and he has more TDs scored).

Plus, it's not about stats, it's about being able to attack a defense, and not playing scared.

Smith attacks the defense in his own way...and it works. He scores and eats up huge chunks of the clock. The Chiefs have won the TOP battle in every game they played this season. Yesterday, despite the horrible second half, they still had a 6 minute advantage in the TOP. Winning the TOP helps the defense a lot, especially late into the season and playoffs.

In the last 3 games, SF is ranked 6th in TOP. KC is ranked 13th. SF attacks the defense in the same manor as KC but SF can get big chunks upon call.

Previous post: That TD to McCluster was not very impressive on the QB's part as it was wide open. Nice play call and read but it was a pass that must have been completed. DB was 2 yards behind him and the Safety was 5 yards to his left upon his catch.

why cherry pick the last 3 games--what are the numbers for the season

To see the details and if there is actually consistency. For example, Alex had a very nice QB rating last year but it you look at the games, he was very inconsistent from one game to another. Averages don't tell consistency.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by drakan:
Originally posted by verb1der:
No the defense isn't doing that, and the stats are about the same (except QBR which Kaep is higher, and he has more TDs scored).

Plus, it's not about stats, it's about being able to attack a defense, and not playing scared.

Smith attacks the defense in his own way...and it works. He scores and eats up huge chunks of the clock. The Chiefs have won the TOP battle in every game they played this season. Yesterday, despite the horrible second half, they still had a 6 minute advantage in the TOP. Winning the TOP helps the defense a lot, especially late into the season and playoffs.

In the last 3 games, SF is ranked 6th in TOP. KC is ranked 13th. SF attacks the defense in the same manor as KC but SF can get big chunks upon call.

Previous post: That TD to McCluster was not very impressive on the QB's part as it was wide open. Nice play call and read but it was a pass that must have been completed. DB was 2 yards behind him and the Safety was 5 yards to his left upon his catch.

why cherry pick the last 3 games--what are the numbers for the season

To see the details and if there is actually consistency. For example, Alex had a very nice QB rating last year but it you look at the games, he was very inconsistent from one game to another. Averages don't tell consistency.

I bet if we ran the numbers Alex comes out looking just as consistent as the top 10 ranked QBS in the NFL. I think you're digging.