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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by 49Fever:
The chiefs have somewhat of a tough schedule after mid season so they could certainly lose some and hopefully miss the playoffs so we have a middle 2nd round pick
Their offense looks anemic sometimes they win cos of their defense they are stud

Sounds like another team I know.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by KoolBeans:
Dude, maybe we are the same person. I was just thinking the same thing. I know from watching their games they have a ton of 3rd and 1's, I'm willing to bet that Jamaal is accountable for most of those failed 3rd down conversions. Can you do this for the 9ers as well?

Depends on how much time I have.. maybe. I don't really care about the SF issues at play. We all know what the problem is with that offense... and it isn't the run game.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Rushing&rank=071&year=

Alex Smith ranks 20th in the AFC (3/9) for rushing. JC doesn't rank for rushing. H'es 1 for 4 on 3rd and short (less than 3).
Passing:
In the NFL Alex ranks 18th for 3rd and long 6/21
In the NFL Alex ranks 20th for 3rd and medium 12/27
In the NFL Alex ranks 16th for 3rd and short 3/6

Basic Math:
25 1sts 75 Attempts 33.3% Total 3rd down conversions (ESPN.com)
63 attempts from Alex = 12 attempts by Jamaal Charles
24 Successes by Alex smith = 1 success by Jamaal Charles.

So Jamaal Charles has failed to run for a 1st down with the exception of a single 3rd and short situation.

It is obvious that the only thing Alex is doing to help KC win is not turning the ball over. Any uber safe QB can with with the talent on this team. Any careless team on my shoulders QB can lose with this team.

It is Alex's way of play that has made this team better. I agree to that. This does not make him a top QB. This is also why he won't win in the playoffs...

...unless his team around him plays lights out.

If you ever quote me on that last sentence, do not leave out the second portion of it. "Real" Chiefs fans will eventually realize they need an upgrade at QB. The bandwaggoner's will blame 52 of the 53 players that are suited every week.

You mean like the Saints game when our defense gave up less than 2 touchdowns to Brees and gang? Dude there is so many holes in this I'm not going to bother.
Originally posted by Joecool:
It is obvious that the only thing Alex is doing to help KC win is not turning the ball over. Any uber safe QB can with with the talent on this team. Any careless team on my shoulders QB can lose with this team.

It is Alex's way of play that has made this team better. I agree to that. This does not make him a top QB. This is also why he won't win in the playoffs...

...unless his team around him plays lights out.

If you ever quote me on that last sentence, do not leave out the second portion of it. "Real" Chiefs fans will eventually realize they need an upgrade at QB. The bandwaggoner's will blame 52 of the 53 players that are suited every week.

"Real Chiefs fans"? So you have to divide that fan base as well?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by dj43:
JC is not a power back by any means. He is very quick and shifty and plays out of the backfield very well.

The Chiefs could use a big strong back to spell Charles and make those tough runs on 3rd and short.

As to 3rd down conversion rates; the Chiefs must be near the top of the league in dropped passes. That not only hurts on all 3rd downs but makes the yardage longer as well. However, it is notable that when KC has needed to make a long drive with the game on the line, they have done it.

I think that's why they drafted Knile Davis (5-10 227); he's definitely a big back.

Yes, and he has been a disappointment so far. He does not read or set up blocks very well. He also has put the ball on the ground too much. He certainly has talent but so far has not shown the level expected of him.
Even Gore has a tough time converting 3rd and 1 too. That's why they had to try Jacobs and then Dixon on short yardage. Charles is a good back, but at 3rd&1, you just want some one to plow through for the first down.
Originally posted by English:
"Real Chiefs fans"? So you have to divide that fan base as well?

This seems to be a perverse need for some. Alas..?
We can now bank on that second round pick.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Joecool:
It is obvious that the only thing Alex is doing to help KC win is not turning the ball over. Any uber safe QB can with with the talent on this team. Any careless team on my shoulders QB can lose with this team.

It is Alex's way of play that has made this team better. I agree to that. This does not make him a top QB. This is also why he won't win in the playoffs...

...unless his team around him plays lights out.

If you ever quote me on that last sentence, do not leave out the second portion of it. "Real" Chiefs fans will eventually realize they need an upgrade at QB. The bandwaggoner's will blame 52 of the 53 players that are suited every week.

"Real Chiefs fans"? So you have to divide that fan base as well?

He's just bitter that Smith continues to prove him wrong time and time again.
Originally posted by HomerJ:
He's just bitter that Smith continues to prove him wrong time and time again.

I think there's enough bitterness to go around on both sides of this useless argument. Let's not pretend that some people who call themselves Chiefs fans here on a Niner board aren't harboring some degree of bitterness. I'm old enough to remember that this has all happened before. The only difference between this time and the last time is that there wasn't a Web Zone for new Chiefs fans to enjoy talking about how well the former Niner QB was doing with his new team. But, every day around the water cooler, I used to hear bitter speeches about what a huge mistake the Niner franchise had made. This all just has such an element of deja vu for me.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I think there's enough bitterness to go around on both sides of this useless argument. Let's not pretend that some people who call themselves Chiefs fans here on a Niner board aren't harboring some degree of bitterness. I'm old enough to remember that this has all happened before. The only difference between this time and the last time is that there wasn't a Web Zone for new Chiefs fans to enjoy talking about how well the former Niner QB was doing with his new team. But, every day around the water cooler, I used to hear bitter speeches about what a huge mistake the Niner franchise had made. This all just has such an element of deja vu for me.

Maybe for a rare one or two... Me? I am now liking the way things have gone. Didn't like at first.. but it's been pretty cool the way things played out.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I think there's enough bitterness to go around on both sides of this useless argument. Let's not pretend that some people who call themselves Chiefs fans here on a Niner board aren't harboring some degree of bitterness. I'm old enough to remember that this has all happened before. The only difference between this time and the last time is that there wasn't a Web Zone for new Chiefs fans to enjoy talking about how well the former Niner QB was doing with his new team. But, every day around the water cooler, I used to hear bitter speeches about what a huge mistake the Niner franchise had made. This all just has such an element of deja vu for me.

Most Smith/KC fans are Smith/KC fans after being 9ers fans...in other words, we are niner fans first and foremost, but have appreciated all Smith went through with the sub-par coaching, etc.

Those who continuously try to make this "two sides of equally irrational" posters are doing a disservice to all. Try to address the individuals not the groups and you will be happier and less offensive to the whole.


I really like Alex Smith...his character and his toughness...and his game. That doesn't mean he is the second coming of Montana, nor does it make him the worst QB in history when folks don't care for his style.

If you think people are bitter point out the offenses at the time. I am not bitter but am guilty of thinking it would be great to have two really good QBs on the niners in case one is injured or goes into a slump. That isn't very likely in this day of salary cap so I'm OK with the way it turned out.
I'm not going to call any individuals out - that's just a way to get warnings from the mods. I'm talking about a dynamic going on around here and everyone knows what I'm talking about. If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention. There is a certain group of posters around here who seem to relish taking snide digs at our current QB - not so subtle jabs at him questioning his production and even his intelligence. Remarks often take on the character of a "if he's supposed to be so good why isn't he doing this or why is he doing that..." kind of thing. Sometimes, these remarks will even compare him to Brady or Manning as if the potential people were excited about should have lifted him to their level by now. If you take a quick look on any day at the thread under Niner Talk about our current QB, you should see what I'm talking about. It's no coincidence that most of the snide little digs at our current QB are posted by some of the same fans who spend a lot of time on this thread. So naturally, some other fans want to come here to this thread and get their shots in as well.

Let's not pretend we don't know what I'm talking about. By the same token, there are Niner fans who have never thought much of Alex Smith, fans who had a tendency during the first five years of his Niner time to overlook the many extenuating circumstances surrounding his efforts. It's part of the old thing about the QB getting too much blame when things are going bad and too much credit when things are going well. And, we all know that there were lots of local Niner fans who were bitter about Smith from the beginning because they were Cal fans and wanted the team to take Rodgers.

Everyone wants to think their views are vindicated; that they were right all along. For example, I look at the last couple years of Smith's time with the Niners as vindication that I was right to think he was a lot better than many people thought and with the right coaching and system, he could flourish in the NFL. But, he's moved on. I wish him well and I have a new Niner QB to support now. So, here's a suggestion for some fans around here: have fun with your second team. Whatever. But, try to resist the urge to tear down the new Niner QB with snide remarks and unreasonable expectations. Everyone has a right to criticize, but when you go over there and do it, try not to act like you're saying "I told you so."
If you call folks out politely, using informative rather than inciteful comments, you won't be warned or banned.

Do I detect a certain amount of tit for tat? Sure. Some of us recall the hateful and ridiculous comments over the years and those same posters are now defending CK in the same manner they felt compelled to ridicule in the past. So be it. I really don't care and find it easy to ignore those comments...from both sides. But if you try and say the two versions were equal? I would take exception.

The reason I pointed out the need to limit generalizations is that every poster has their own perspective, and while there may, at times, be some ganging up, even that is less unanimous than individual. I have had heated debates with a number of posters who I respect, but there are others (many banned now) who I stopped conversing with totally. Just didn't seem to want to be fair or try to understand a different point of view. But, if they become more reasonable down the road I'll not hold a grudge.
Anyway, I think the Chiefs are going to 6-0 tomorrow. I don't see the Raiders going into KC and scoring on that defense and I think Smith can move the ball up and down the field on the Raiders.
And of course if you make a legitimate critique of our current QB a lot of people will just assume that you're slamming him because you used to like Smith.

There are a number of posters who simply feel that if you're going to replace a qb, it should be with someone who is better now. Kaep appeared to be last season...he doesn't appear to be this season. That alone is cause for concern...regardless of your opinion of what Smith is or wasn't or should have been.

b***hing about Smith is like crying over spilt milk. It's worthless. Replacing Kap would be dumb as well..we no longer have anyone on the roster worth while.