There are 122 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Momentum and confidence play a big role for a locker room in breaking that next level barrier. chiefs have it now. The only reason I don't want them to win too many games is 12-14: the spots in the draft they may move back. :)

you sure that's the only reason?

Yes. If they started the season out playing Denver, NE, GB, the momentum and confidence would not be there by week 5. They would still be unsure of themselves sitting at possibly 2-3.
Would still be a strong team, but unsure of where they believe they stand on the totem pole.
[ Edited by Joecool on Oct 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM ]
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by drakan:
Moeaki 2.0. Never expected him to return this year from injury.

pitiful shame... especially with Fasano nursing his knee all season, and Bowe being lackadaisical now that he has his fat, long-term contract.

Bowe is getting doubled a lot, which is allowing Avery to put up some nice numbers.

Who would have thought that a TE that looks more like Duck Dynasty than a football player would be a key player in the Chiefs offense. Fasano isn't being missed much in that offense. Kudos to Reid and Smith for putting Sean McGrath in position to relieve pressure and move the chains. That is a good example of a coach taking advantage of an athlete's unique talent and matching them to a QB who looks for someone in that area.

what makes it all the more better is that mcgrath was a seahawk cut---he is the seahawks equivalent to marcus cooper
Toss out the lowly Jags...Dallas Philly Giants and Titans are all respectable teams who were no rollovers and all played their asses off vs Chiefs...

Dallas - Romo and Bryant can beat anybody and just almost beat Denver put up a ton of points played hard vs Chiefs Alex and Chiefs D were better
Philly - Always a tough place to play Vick struggled but McCoy was on fire Philly played hard Alex and Chiefs D were better
Giants - Played their asses off loss to Chiefs meant out of the playoffs Alex and Chiefs D were better.
Titans - Tenn D and offense battled and played hard all the way Alex was up to the challenge Alex and Chiefs D were better

Chiefs may of had an easier start to their schedule than the niners but not buying the easy schedule excuse I seen all the games every team battled hard vs Chiefs.

Alex has been good top 10 in drops have hurt his stats but it's about the wins anyway kids.

Chiefs D plays hard because they know Alex gives them a chance to win every game and Alex's ball control offense keeps them fresher.
Originally posted by dj43:
Chiefs have better down field threats now than the 2011 49ers. Donnie Avery has been money.

Just speculation from my observations, but in all seriousness, I think Kyle W is just a young Avery. I think he can do the same things Avery can.. KW is just far more unproven.

Originally posted by dj43:
Bowe is getting doubled a lot, which is allowing Avery to put up some nice numbers.

Who would have thought that a TE that looks more like Duck Dynasty than a football player would be a key player in the Chiefs offense. Fasano isn't being missed much in that offense. Kudos to Reid and Smith for putting Sean McGrath in position to relieve pressure and move the chains. That is a good example of a coach taking advantage of an athlete's unique talent and matching them to a QB who looks for someone in that area.

Agree with most here, but I do think KC is missing out on what Fasano provides. He's a good blocker with reliable hands.. and KC might just be utilizing more I-form (2 back/2 TE/ 1 WR) sets to run play-action out of. Sherman opening up rush lanes for JC... Alex, being the best PA passer in the league last season. At the least, they could run these on all of their 3rd and less than 5 to go downs. Instead, they are going with the shotgun and pistol looks (singleback) and getting their arse handed to them.

Ooooh.... the possibilities.
Originally posted by 49ersMVP:
Toss out the lowly Jags...Dallas Philly Giants and Titans are all respectable teams who were no rollovers and all played their asses off vs Chiefs...

Dallas - Romo and Bryant can beat anybody and just almost beat Denver put up a ton of points played hard vs Chiefs Alex and Chiefs D were better
Philly - Always a tough place to play Vick struggled but McCoy was on fire Philly played hard Alex and Chiefs D were better
Giants - Played their asses off loss to Chiefs meant out of the playoffs Alex and Chiefs D were better.
Titans - Tenn D and offense battled and played hard all the way Alex was up to the challenge Alex and Chiefs D were better

Chiefs may of had an easier start to their schedule than the niners but not buying the easy schedule excuse I seen all the games every team battled hard vs Chiefs.

Alex has been good top 10 in drops have hurt his stats but it's about the wins anyway kids.

Chiefs D plays hard because they know Alex gives them a chance to win every game and Alex's ball control offense keeps them fresher.

I didn't say they are not as good as their record. I said the easier schedule has allowed them to gain major confidence and momentum, which are nice attributes for future success. They have that swag and feel they belong now.

If they played playoff teams and were now 2-3 or so, there would still be some uncertainty in the locker room even though the team was still strong.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dj43:
Chiefs have better down field threats now than the 2011 49ers. Donnie Avery has been money.

Just speculation from my observations, but in all seriousness, I think Kyle W is just a young Avery. I think he can do the same things Avery can.. KW is just far more unproven.

Originally posted by dj43:
Bowe is getting doubled a lot, which is allowing Avery to put up some nice numbers.

Who would have thought that a TE that looks more like Duck Dynasty than a football player would be a key player in the Chiefs offense. Fasano isn't being missed much in that offense. Kudos to Reid and Smith for putting Sean McGrath in position to relieve pressure and move the chains. That is a good example of a coach taking advantage of an athlete's unique talent and matching them to a QB who looks for someone in that area.

Agree with most here, but I do think KC is missing out on what Fasano provides. He's a good blocker with reliable hands.. and KC might just be utilizing more I-form (2 back/2 TE/ 1 WR) sets to run play-action out of. Sherman opening up rush lanes for JC... Alex, being the best PA passer in the league last season. At the least, they could run these on all of their 3rd and less than 5 to go downs. Instead, they are going with the shotgun and pistol looks (singleback) and getting their arse handed to them.

Ooooh.... the possibilities.

Fasano is a good blocker. His experience also would help. In the meantime, I love the fact McGrath is proving to be a player. He's tough and he catches the ball.
Originally posted by dj43:
Fasano is a good blocker. His experience also would help. In the meantime, I love the fact McGrath is proving to be a player. He's tough and he catches the ball.

Oh definitely. McGrath has been a huge surprise and help to the KC offense. I really liked Kelce as a prospect, but he has been a remarkable disappointment. It's a true blessing for them that McGrath has stepped up.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersMVP:
Toss out the lowly Jags...Dallas Philly Giants and Titans are all respectable teams who were no rollovers and all played their asses off vs Chiefs...

Dallas - Romo and Bryant can beat anybody and just almost beat Denver put up a ton of points played hard vs Chiefs Alex and Chiefs D were better
Philly - Always a tough place to play Vick struggled but McCoy was on fire Philly played hard Alex and Chiefs D were better
Giants - Played their asses off loss to Chiefs meant out of the playoffs Alex and Chiefs D were better.
Titans - Tenn D and offense battled and played hard all the way Alex was up to the challenge Alex and Chiefs D were better

Chiefs may of had an easier start to their schedule than the niners but not buying the easy schedule excuse I seen all the games every team battled hard vs Chiefs.

Alex has been good top 10 in drops have hurt his stats but it's about the wins anyway kids.

Chiefs D plays hard because they know Alex gives them a chance to win every game and Alex's ball control offense keeps them fresher.

I didn't say they are not as good as their record. I said the easier schedule has allowed them to gain major confidence and momentum, which are nice attributes for future success. They have that swag and feel they belong now.

If they played playoff teams and were now 2-3 or so, there would still be some uncertainty in the locker room even though the team was still strong.

But isn't KC (2-14) considered an "easy" part of any other team's schedule going into this season? I'm pretty sure the Jags thought they had an advantage being at home, plus if they win that game they could've had that "swag". The Cowboys with all that talent probably thought they had a good chance of winning too. Chip Kelly and the Eagles were at home just like the Jags and were the talk of the NFL with their high powered offense, they had to feel confident about their chances that night. Giants probably saw this game as their chance to turn their season around and feel good by coming out with a victory. Finally the Titans more than likely felt they could pull one out at home as well.

There is no such thing as an easy schedule for a team that's considered to be easy for the team they are playing. If that makes sense.
[ Edited by KoolBeans on Oct 10, 2013 at 11:11 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersMVP:
Toss out the lowly Jags...Dallas Philly Giants and Titans are all respectable teams who were no rollovers and all played their asses off vs Chiefs...

Dallas - Romo and Bryant can beat anybody and just almost beat Denver put up a ton of points played hard vs Chiefs Alex and Chiefs D were better
Philly - Always a tough place to play Vick struggled but McCoy was on fire Philly played hard Alex and Chiefs D were better
Giants - Played their asses off loss to Chiefs meant out of the playoffs Alex and Chiefs D were better.
Titans - Tenn D and offense battled and played hard all the way Alex was up to the challenge Alex and Chiefs D were better

Chiefs may of had an easier start to their schedule than the niners but not buying the easy schedule excuse I seen all the games every team battled hard vs Chiefs.

Alex has been good top 10 in drops have hurt his stats but it's about the wins anyway kids.

Chiefs D plays hard because they know Alex gives them a chance to win every game and Alex's ball control offense keeps them fresher.
In the first 5 games of the 2013 NFL season...................

49ers combined opponents record 14-10 2012 Playoff Teams that 49ers have faced-4

Chiefs combined opponents record 7-18 2012 Playoff Teams that Chiefs have faced-0




Once more, call me when the Chiefs actually deal with some high-quality teams such as Denver or Indy. Their defense is talented but they certainly aren't as good as some make them sound, they've had a ridiculously easy early schedule and have pounced. Good on them, let's see how they do when the competition gets tougher.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Oct 10, 2013 at 11:58 PM ]
  • vaden
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 3,189
As an Alex fan who's seen all their games, I agree the Chiefs are very overrated, but being 5-0 is a major boost to them going forward in terms of team chemistry and buying in to the new coach and QB. Decent teams that believe they're great and have great chemistry can become great.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
In the first 5 games of the 2013 NFL season...................

49ers combined opponents record 14-10 2012 Playoff Teams that 49ers have faced-4

Chiefs combined opponents record 7-18 2012 Playoff Teams that Chiefs have faced-0




Once more, call me when the Chiefs actually deal with some high-quality teams such as Denver or Indy. Their defense is talented but they certainly aren't as good as some make them sound, they've had a ridiculously easy early schedule and have pounced. Good on them, let's see how they do when the competition gets tougher.

Niners have beaten 1 top 16 team...KC has beaten 2. Niners might have faced some tougher teams...but they've lost to all of those. What are the records of those teams today is more important that what the record of those teams were last year.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Niners have beaten 1 top 16 team...KC has beaten 2. Niners might have faced some tougher teams...but they've lost to all of those. What are the records of those teams today is more important that what the record of those teams were last year.


Like I said, I'm not impressed. KC is facing the Houston Texans shortly, that will be an interesting matchup to see how they deal with a common opponent that the 49ers absolutely demolished. Also what happens when they face Denver and Alex's 4 yard checkdowns are no longer sufficient against a high octane Broncos offense that will score on anyone. KC looks good thus far, but they have A LOT to prove still, it'll be interesting to see how they handle better quality opponents.


An injury depleted 49ers team has handled some very tough games while KC beat up on cupcakes such as Jacksonville. Now the tables will be switching, we'll see how both teams deal.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Oct 11, 2013 at 12:13 AM ]
  • vaden
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 3,189
And by overrated, I mean the Chiefs are not a top 5 team as so many media power rankings have them right now. I still think they're a notch below second tier teams like Colts, 49ers, Patriots.
[ Edited by vaden on Oct 11, 2013 at 12:16 AM ]
Originally posted by vaden:
And by overrated, I mean the Chiefs are not a top 5 team as so many media power rankings have them right now. I still think they're a notch below second tier teams like Colts, 49ers, Patriots.

In chemistry, the rate determining step is the slowest step of any chemical reaction, it controls the overall speed of the reaction as a whole. Transplanting that into football, the Chiefs rate determining step is their offensive line. They've got some great defensive players, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, Eric Berry....etc, nice talent on offense, solid QB, nice WR's, however, their success this season will ultimately be determined by their offensive line. Their pass-blocking for the most part has been pretty good up to this point, however they've struggled when it comes to run-blocking and I can see them having difficulties running the ball against better defensive lines. Among the teams they've faced this season, only the Giants and Cowboys are decent at stopping the run and they had an average of about 3.5 yards per carry against those two teams.



If you look at PFF numbers, KC has the highest total defensive ranking in the NFL at 83.5 Seattle is a distant second at 52.5 49ers fourth at 33.7. The Chiefs have the highest ranking in pass rush, pass coverage and are third in run defense. However if you flip it around and look at their offense, you see an entirely different story. Their overall offense is ranked 22nd in the NFL, 26th ranked passing game, 14th ranked in rushing, 12th ranked in pass blocking but 16th ranked in run blocking. As good as their defense is, their offense doesn't compare with the other elite teams in the NFL currently, that may change as the season goes, but so far, it is pretty iffy and they seem to be leaning on their defense way too much.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Oct 11, 2013 at 1:05 AM ]
Any Given Sunday

A team can come out a look like crap one week, and then the next week, they can get it together and look great. That's just how it is. Welcome to the pros... where there really are no "gimme" games. A team that goes 2-14 and then starts the next season 5-0 will get some respect... from me... from media.. Somehow, this respect can get wrongly twisted by some into "KC is unstoppablze!" ... which then gets the reaction of "KC is overrated! over-hyped!" Some idiots will overhype just for the sensationalism. Well, to that I say, whatevz. I doubt very much that the KC front office, coaches, or players are over-hyping themselves, or thinking each week is an easy win. If I were an active player, I would stay far away from the media, forums, etc. Way too much silly jibber-jabber.
...