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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Chiefs now #1 scoring defense --10.3 /game

We were tops also with ...I think 14pts /game average. Freak'n Alex Smith took our 2011 team to KC.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Left this place for a little bit... it turned into a GNC for the geriatric. WTF! Even the mods are involved


Hey, watch it with the geriatric comments! LOL! I'll take any help I can get...but it's close to nap time...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Started taking vitamin D this year after finding out I had a slight deficiency. 5000 iu is more than I currently take however...time for another pill!

vitamin d f**ks up ovaries

huh? D is one of the best supplements to fight of ovarian cancer
that may be,, but when i take it,, it messes with mine
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Chiefs now #1 scoring defense --10.3 /game

We were tops also with ...I think 14pts /game average. Freak'n Alex Smith took our 2011 team to KC.

alex is a great qb. he lets his defense rest. stats arent everything and he gets the job done and makes his team look better while doing his thing
Originally posted by dwett:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Chiefs haven't played many great teams. They haven't played any great teams.

Throws 41 times, gets 288 yards.

gets the win and that's all that matters and what anyone will remember anyway.
Isn't this classic Smith. He never puts up eye popping stats but seems to get the win. Now you can say he has a great defense etc. Smith's play while conservtive helps the D.

Time of possession. Chiefs 33.41 vs 26.19 Niners 29.18 vs 30.42


Not a fantasy stat but one that matters in the game. The defense gets to rest more and is able to make more play vs them wearing out and eventually allowing the opposing team to run the ball at will vs you.

Not turning the ball over, getting key first downs and being able to run the ball all lead to this. We can run the ball but Kaep has to improve in the first two areas. Smith (now he has more experience) is doing well in these areas and thus they are 4-0.

Kaep needs to sometimes take the easy first down so we can continue our drives and understand his great talent can continue to be on the field and generate the big play later. It just seem Kaep wants the big play every time which leads to our offense stalling.
That may have a lot to do with coaching. Everyone talks about his huge arm and ability to drive the ball down the field. Lots of plays put in to take advantage of that. At the same time, all the fantasy-influenced fans and writers criticize Alex for preferring the safer, shorter throws. So even though Alex won with those throws, for Kaep and the coaches to revert back to "what Alex does" seems tantamount to an admission that Alex would have done would have been just fine. "We didn't draft you to play like Alex. We drafted you to make the big plays Alex doesn't."

Of course no one would admit that kind of thinking has any part of what is going on, but clearly, Smith's experience and understanding of how to control the game is far more advanced that Kaepernick's. CK may reach that level at some point, hopefully sooner than later, but he clearly needs a little Alex Smith in him if he is to keep the offense moving against teams not named the St Louis Rams.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
People can say what they want about Alex but he has fought back through A LOT. Most guys don't make it back from where he was at, dude was going down the David Carr, Joey Harrington road, but fought back. Had Singletary not had been so stubbron and played Troy Smith over Alex I think we would have made the playoffs that year, but then it's quite possible that Jim Harbaugh would no be our coach right now and prob in Miami or somewhere. I feel like through the playoff run and how he played before the concussion he made up for all the bad years. Now he is in KC and for one more year his good play benefits the 49ers. Is he a 400 yard, 3 touchdown a game QB... of course not. But he takes care of the ball, can get your 300 and a 3 tds if you need it and he can use his legs. With a great defense you can't ask for much more out of your QB. As long as Alex plays ball like this he will have a job in this league for a while.

Matt Ryan passed for 400 yards last night. Just saying...
Originally posted by jcashen87:
Reid has got a much better Passing game and attack plan than Roman and co. ever used with Alex under us. Got some pretty good WR's too, but i like the way they have collaborated. It looks like a good true WCO, more so than Andy Reid's final years with Philly.

Reid has his "perfect storm:" Solid possession receivers with some explosive abilities, great all-round running back (a la Brian Westbrook but even faster) and a QB who is even better in managing the game/using the pocket than was McNabb who was always looking to run.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Actually, Smith's number went up when Raye was fired and Mike Johnson took over. Those last 5 games his rating was 91, IIRC. Then Sing was fired and Harbaugh came in. JH certainly helped Smith but it was not all Harbaugh. Smith had already turned the corner in those last 5 games under Sing/Johnson.

Yes, I corrected myself...but too late! LOL! The internet waits for no man...or mental lapse.

Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Trent should've asked for a 1st rounder.

It could be because the 49ers thought that they needed to accommodate Smith to a certain degree, or it also could be that Baalke bought into the "game manager" thinking as well. For that a second- and a third-round picks would appear to be quite a lot.
We can speculate all day long but there may be a good bit of truth in that thinking.

I believe Baalke has been surprised by how well Smith has done in KC (he shouldn't be) and disappointed in the reality that it is going to take CK more than just 16 games to learn the finesse part of QB play.

When Smith was being shopped last spring, I postulated that Smith was worth a 1st round pick. Of course I was flamed for that but now.....hmmmmmm
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Started taking vitamin D this year after finding out I had a slight deficiency. 5000 iu is more than I currently take however...time for another pill!

vitamin d f**ks up ovaries

huh? D is one of the best supplements to fight of ovarian cancer
that may be,, but when i take it,, it messes with mine

Such a trouble maker! LOL!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Alex's Pace: 352/584 60.3% 3828 yd 28 TD 8 INT


That's a very good TD to Int ratio but the rest is pedestrian. Wins are obviously the most important though.

Correct--28 TDs to 8 INTs isn't pedestiran. The rest is typical WCO numbers for a QB. But you are most correct about wins...they trump everything.

Edit: The WCO relies on limiting turn overs. Walsh considered a short pass to be just as reliable as a hand-off so QBs will tend to have fewer YPA.

In Joe Montana's best year rating wise (102.9 , he averaged 226 yds/game, 28 TDs 10 INTs...and won the SB.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Alex's Pace: 352/584 60.3% 3828 yd 28 TD 8 INT


That's a very good TD to Int ratio but the rest is pedestrian. Wins are obviously the most important though.

Correct--28 TDs to 8 INTs isn't pedestiran. The rest is typical WCO numbers for a QB. But you are most correct about wins...they trump everything.

Edit: The WCO relies on limiting turn overs. Walsh considered a short pass to be just as reliable as a hand-off so QBs will tend to have fewer YPA.

In Joe Montana's best year rating wise (102.9 , he averaged 226 yds/game, 28 TDs 10 INTs...and won the SB.

After 25 years of passing inflation, those stats, in 2013, would 142, 350yds/game, 43 TD's, 10 INTs* and 10 SB's.

* Don't ask me why.
Originally posted by dj43:
We can speculate all day long but there may be a good bit of truth in that thinking.

I believe Baalke has been surprised by how well Smith has done in KC (he shouldn't be) and disappointed in the reality that it is going to take CK more than just 16 games to learn the finesse part of QB play.

When Smith was being shopped last spring, I postulated that Smith was worth a 1st round pick. Of course I was flamed for that but now.....hmmmmmm

On hindsight we can look back: If you are a HC going into a 2-14 team like Andy Reid, someone offers you a qb that will shore up the most important position in football, to let you concentrate on the other aspect of implementing your newly installed offense at a cost of 2 - 2nd rounder. That's actually a pretty good deal for Andy Reid. I thought we could only get a 4th, maybe a high 3rd for Smith, myself...

...and that would so stupid, seeing how Smith is now

I think even Smith's contract is on a cheap side for a starting qb and playing like he is. So that's also cap friendly for the Chiefs.
Originally posted by Joecool:
After 25 years of passing inflation, those stats, in 2013, would 142, 350yds/game, 43 TD's, 10 INTs* and 10 SB's.

* Don't ask me why.

This isn't the economy we're talking about Joe. You think Walsh would say, "Golly, QBs are throwing for more yards now so I'll just throw out my system and use the throw it long system...maybe trade for Romo."

I don't think so! He would still value the short passing game with the occasional long pass to open up the running game.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
After 25 years of passing inflation, those stats, in 2013, would 142, 350yds/game, 43 TD's, 10 INTs* and 10 SB's.

* Don't ask me why.

This isn't the economy we're talking about Joe. You think Walsh would say, "Golly, QBs are throwing for more yards now so I'll just throw out my system and use the throw it long system...maybe trade for Romo."

I don't think so! He would still value the short passing game with the occasional long pass to open up the running game.

All these fantasy football stats made fans a bunch of potatoes.

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