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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

  • Axl49
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Originally posted by 9erempire:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Just last year, the Colts were 2-3 when the opponent scored 24 or more. You will probably find teams with better QBs with a much better than a 2-27 record when this happens. Alex is not that QB. He depends on too many things happening to get the win. He won't lose it for you but if the opponent scores 24 or more, he won't help you win it.

Not many QB's are coming back down from 24. I still like to see the stat on that. People like to act being down 24 happens every game but it doesn't. If a QB plays in that many games where his team is down 24, that means the team sucks entirely.

Alex had two huge comeback wins our NFC division game and a very good Lions team at Det that year. Shows poise and he can come back and win you games when you down. Kap is young but I dont see kap doing that or done that. Gore was responsible for our Title game win and he also had a huge part in the SB and failed to win it.
Originally posted by Axl49:
Alex had two huge comeback wins our NFC division game and a very good Lions team at Det that year. Shows poise and he can come back and win you games when you down. Kap is young but I dont see kap doing that or done that. Gore was responsible for our Title game win and he also had a huge part in the SB and failed to win it.

Kaepernick pulled off a pretty awesome comeback in the NFC title game last year against the Falcons. And, he came up three yards and a couple of horrible calls short of the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history. They've both shown that they can come back.
The f*ck does Kaep have anything to do with the freaking Chiefs?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Or A.Smith with the 49ers, for that matter?

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Originally posted by Axl49:
Originally posted by 9erempire:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Just last year, the Colts were 2-3 when the opponent scored 24 or more. You will probably find teams with better QBs with a much better than a 2-27 record when this happens. Alex is not that QB. He depends on too many things happening to get the win. He won't lose it for you but if the opponent scores 24 or more, he won't help you win it.

Not many QB's are coming back down from 24. I still like to see the stat on that. People like to act being down 24 happens every game but it doesn't. If a QB plays in that many games where his team is down 24, that means the team sucks entirely.

Alex had two huge comeback wins our NFC division game and a very good Lions team at Det that year. Shows poise and he can come back and win you games when you down. Kap is young but I dont see kap doing that or done that. Gore was responsible for our Title game win and he also had a huge part in the SB and failed to win it.

Also in the Eagles game when the kicker missed multiple field goals.

I really don't care to argue much over these points anymore. Right now, I'm a lot more worried about our team.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
"Alex smith is 2-27 against teams that score more than 24 points"

I would like to see two things.

1. On that statistic, how many of those losses were after 2010.

2. I'd like to see the stats for all the other quarterbacks in the NFL. It's meaningless to me in a vacuum.

Just last year, the Colts were 2-3 when the opponent scored 24 or more. You will probably find teams with better QBs with a much better than a 2-27 record when this happens. Alex is not that QB. He depends on too many things happening to get the win. He won't lose it for you but if the opponent scores 24 or more, he won't help you win it.

I get where you are coming from...but you've selected 1 QB to compare. I'd like to see all of them.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9/25/4767278/how-good-is-the-chiefs-offense

Interesting post / fan written article.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9/25/4767278/how-good-is-the-chiefs-offense

Interesting post / fan written article.

Didn't read lol

They could be better. They could be very good at the end of the year without too many injuries. I think their offense is better than the 2011 Niners offense at this time of the year.

Btw, Andy Reid knows the Giants. And despite having a 0-3 record, the Giants are pretty much against the wall, which makes them very hungry and dangerous. The Chiefs should win this game, but it's going to be a tough one I think.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 26, 2013 at 1:53 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9/25/4767278/how-good-is-the-chiefs-offense

Interesting post / fan written article.

Didn't read lol

They could be better. They could be very good at the end of the year without too many injuries. I think their offense is better than the 2011 Niners offense at this time of the year.

Btw, Andy Reid knows the Giants. And despite having a 0-3 record, the Giants are pretty much against the wall, which makes them very hungry and dangerous. The Chiefs should win this game, but it's going to be a tough one I think.

I read the article. Then read the comments calling out the article for being misleading and attempting to actually skew the facts. Commenter did a good job, pointing out the numbers that the article-writer did not account for, and mentioned that real analysts -- Football Outsiders did include those particular numbers and with those in consideration actually ranks the Chiefs offense in the top half of the league.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by vaden:
Cosell is infatuated with arm strength and deep passes, which totally goes against Bill Walsh's philosophy and the Niner QB Legacy. So of course he wouldn't like Alex. He sounds super objective and intelligent but if you actually examine his own work you'll find lots of flaws, as I and many others here have with his often ridiculous criticisms of Alex.

Cosell voiced his opinion on smith early on, like many, and as smith started to produce more, it was hard for him to retract his earlier views (no one likes to deal with the fact that they were wrong)

Cosell is right a lot more often than he is wrong. His problem with Alex Smith is not related to arm strength. He explained it very clearly in his last interview on KNBR. He said that while watching the film of the Chiefs-Eagles game, his opinion was that Smith simply didn't want to make certain throws that Cosell thought he should have tried. He thinks Smith is too careful. It's not arm strength, it's the mental approach to the game. Cosell also pretty much ridiculed Niner fans who believe Harbaugh made a mistake changing to Kaepernick. He said there is not one NFL executive or coach who, if given the choice, would pick Smith over Kaepernick to build an offense - that's his opinion. He also said he thinks Kaepernick shows the classic signs of being short on experience. He thinks Kaepernick needs more time to develop a more patient way of going through reads like the more experienced QB's do and he thinks Kaepernick needs to learn to read defense alignments better. He said that Smith does certain things better, but he thought that was because he had many more years of experience.

his opinion. i trust smith's opinion more. did cosell ever play the game? has any team ever approached him for a hire to utilize his analytical skills?
Originally posted by Souz123:
Originally posted by kidash98:
You really going that route, bruh?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Sorry but a lot of black QBs are now getting a lot more credit than they are due. It was the opposite 20, even 10 years ago.. but any1 who thinks black QBs now are discriminated against is just crazy. They are more so discriminated for as being "DYNAMIC" .. Kaep and Wilson are definitely Dynamic QBs, but hey, so is Luck

Maybe it's because they can play?!?!?!?!?

And what the hell does this have to do with the Chiefs?

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Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by Souz123:
Originally posted by kidash98:
You really going that route, bruh?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Sorry but a lot of black QBs are now getting a lot more credit than they are due. It was the opposite 20, even 10 years ago.. but any1 who thinks black QBs now are discriminated against is just crazy. They are more so discriminated for as being "DYNAMIC" .. Kaep and Wilson are definitely Dynamic QBs, but hey, so is Luck

Maybe it's because they can play?!?!?!?!?

And what the hell does this have to do with the Chiefs?

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This is why the rules are set up to treat "running" QBs as ball carriers in the pocket allowing hits to come outside of the designated strike zone reserved for "pocket passers" when it is deemed this type of QB is in a certain threatening "posture" to defensive players. These black QBs are already being treated like royalty I guess you can say because they are being given "so much credit" for their abilities over other QBs
Originally posted by Souz123:
his only limitation at QB is perception by the public. Which has grown to be enamoured with black quarterbacks at the expense of white quarterbacks who are less than extraordinary. This is not to go to the other extreme and say that the likes of Russell Wilson and Kaepernick are bad, but Vick, "RG3" and Josh Freeman are s**tty. Does anyone remember the Nate Davis craze? lololol

You lost your argument when it turned racial.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9/25/4767278/how-good-is-the-chiefs-offense

Interesting post / fan written article.

So what? Alex Smith offenses never rank in the top few for stats. But they do rank in the top few for lack of turnovers. And those lack of turnovers = wins.

Too many of these writers are all caught up in stats and "pretty" football. That's not Alex Smith football. It never was with us and it's not now. But winning obviously is Alex Smith football. Because he's still doing it even not with us on a much worse team.....
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Souz123:
his only limitation at QB is perception by the public. Which has grown to be enamoured with black quarterbacks at the expense of white quarterbacks who are less than extraordinary. This is not to go to the other extreme and say that the likes of Russell Wilson and Kaepernick are bad, but Vick, "RG3" and Josh Freeman are s**tty. Does anyone remember the Nate Davis craze? lololol

You lost your argument when it turned racial.

Pathetic indeed! If we really think that a QB expert like Jim Harbaugh would dump a highly efficient white, pretty boy, clean cut QB in Alex Smith for a tatted up black QB renegade like some say Kap is because he is simply enamored with "black QBs" then we need more sleep
Alex Smith is gonna get his team beat on Sunday. Giants are his mountain and he can't make it over.