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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
If Alex takes the Chiefs to a 13-3 record like he did with the 49ers would you consider him an MVP candidate? Even if he plays like he has the rest of the season? Talked about this on the radio and made me think a bit.

Just a what if, not saying he will at all. Right now I think Chiefs could either flop horribly or they could be pretty good. Still up in the air on Alex, no secret but I think he needs to start pressing a little bit more. Thinking he just may any game now. Once defenses try to take the short game away, I could see him surprising some defenses. If not, I think the Chiefs will be around .500 give or take a game.

Probably be in the running for comeback player but not MVP. If P Manning continues to play on his current level he won't be challenged. But Vick has thrown for the most yards so far this year and some would say that's more important than QBR or wins!
Originally posted by Joecool:
KC is nothing like HOU. HOU is a high octane offense. KC is a frustrate your ass offense just like SF was two years ago. KCa defense is much better than HOU. One team is sound, the other team can't score enough which is why they get into trouble.

I agree that their offenses are not much alike. Houston has some real scary weapons in the pass game. KC? not so much, no.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
KC is nothing like HOU. HOU is a high octane offense. KC is a frustrate your ass offense just like SF was two years ago. KCa defense is much better than HOU. One team is sound, the other team can't score enough which is why they get into trouble.

I agree that their offenses are not much alike. Houston has some real scary weapons in the pass game. KC? not so much, no.

Bowe is a beast
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
KC is nothing like HOU. HOU is a high octane offense. KC is a frustrate your ass offense just like SF was two years ago. KCa defense is much better than HOU. One team is sound, the other team can't score enough which is why they get into trouble.

I agree that their offenses are not much alike. Houston has some real scary weapons in the pass game. KC? not so much, no.

Bowe is a beast

Eh... Not seeing it. I know he has been getting bracketed coverage for the most part, so that can help others get open.. but I am not sure he's all that special. Good solid player, but certainly isn't on the level of Andre Johnson, and I would easily take DeAndre Hopkins as my #2 over any other KC receiver. Add in Owen Daniels as better than what Fasano has left. Pkus, those guys (minus the rookie) and QB have been working together for a while in the same system. People underestimate how advantageous that can be.
Originally posted by Joecool:
KC is nothing like HOU. HOU is a high octane offense. KC is a frustrate your ass offense just like SF was two years ago. KCa defense is much better than HOU. One team is sound, the other team can't score enough which is why they get into trouble.


Houston has one of the better defenses in football. Way too early to say KC has a better defense. Houston's high powered passing attack has been somewhat grounded for a few years now too. Once they got a defense and rushing attack Schaub's numbers went down. They have Andre but that's it and Schaub's just not an elite qb. I'd take Avery and Bowe over what Houston has any day of the week. Well I guess that might change with Hompkins though.

I agree it's not a perfect comparison I'm just stating they're good everywhere but not special anywhere like a team like Houston.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Sep 21, 2013 at 8:28 AM ]
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Eh... Not seeing it. I know he has been getting bracketed coverage for the most part, so that can help others get open.. but I am not sure he's all that special. Good solid player, but certainly isn't on the level of Andre Johnson, and I would easily take DeAndre Hopkins as my #2 over any other KC receiver. Add in Owen Daniels as better than what Fasano has left. Pkus, those guys (minus the rookie) and QB have been working together for a while in the same system. People underestimate how advantageous that can be.

With Alex Smith at QB, You will win game, but not put up big offensive numbers so while Bowe is an elite receiver he might not even get 1000 yards this season.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Thanks Mac! Tried to find this earlier but it's another skill yet to learn!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Thanks Mac! Tried to find this earlier but it's another skill yet to learn!

For a few seconds I thought that was Jenkins

Avery...? He had to throw it a little behind the receiver to not lead the ball into #29. Good throw for the situation.
Houston is a proven entity. KC is playing very well - BUT only 3 games into the season. Time will tell.

Avery looked awesome. Bowe, IMO, is VERY good but not elite.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
If Alex takes the Chiefs to a 13-3 record like he did with the 49ers would you consider him an MVP candidate? Even if he plays like he has the rest of the season? Talked about this on the radio and made me think a bit.

Just a what if, not saying he will at all. Right now I think Chiefs could either flop horribly or they could be pretty good. Still up in the air on Alex, no secret but I think he needs to start pressing a little bit more. Thinking he just may any game now. Once defenses try to take the short game away, I could see him surprising some defenses. If not, I think the Chiefs will be around .500 give or take a game.

Probably be in the running for comeback player but not MVP. If P Manning continues to play on his current level he won't be challenged. But Vick has thrown for the most yards so far this year and some would say that's more important than QBR or wins!

if he takes a 2-14 team to 13-3

he has to be running for MVP, and imo, would win. Basically the same cast, o-linemen was 1st pick (not a playmaker WR or Defensive Stud).
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Thanks Mac! Tried to find this earlier but it's another skill yet to learn!

For a few seconds I thought that was Jenkins

Avery...? He had to throw it a little behind the receiver to not lead the ball into #29. Good throw for the situation.

An excellent throw by any account! Threw it where neither defender could get a hand on it. There were a couple of those in this game and they happened when the team needed them. Would be nice if all could appreciate the talents a QB has rather than harping on his "limitations."
Originally posted by ads_2006:
if he takes a 2-14 team to 13-3

he has to be running for MVP, and imo, would win. Basically the same cast, o-linemen was 1st pick (not a playmaker WR or Defensive Stud).

I really don't think the NFL would vote Smith in as MVP unless he changes his game and starts throwing for 300 to 400 yards per game. Just too many prejudices against this style. If he wins a Super Bowl or two and plays well doing so then this could change.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Eh... Not seeing it. I know he has been getting bracketed coverage for the most part, so that can help others get open.. but I am not sure he's all that special. Good solid player, but certainly isn't on the level of Andre Johnson, and I would easily take DeAndre Hopkins as my #2 over any other KC receiver. Add in Owen Daniels as better than what Fasano has left. Pkus, those guys (minus the rookie) and QB have been working together for a while in the same system. People underestimate how advantageous that can be.

With Alex Smith at QB, You will win game, but not put up big offensive numbers so while Bowe is an elite receiver he might not even get 1000 yards this season.

For comparative purposes only, in his biggest season number-wise, Joe Montana AVERAGED 244 yards/game. 26 TDs and 12 INTs. Rating 94.6. Which only goes to prove you don't have to put up huge numbers to win ball games...but I think we all know that.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Houston has one of the better defenses in football. Way too early to say KC has a better defense.
IMO, Houston's rep is helped a lot by JJ Watt. They are good but I believe with the addition of Sean Smith in the KC secondary, they are better, and better balanced than Houston.