Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
I can see Joecool's response for any success that Smith might have with the Chiefs -- ".. but it's Charles!"
That was the first thing I got out of it.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
I can see Joecool's response for any success that Smith might have with the Chiefs -- ".. but it's Charles!"
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hofer36:
mcnabb was pretty old and beat up whenhe left philly, arguably vick was a failure before he got to philly and kolb had like 4 starts with philly (2 of hich were for over 300yds i beleive) before he was traded
Hold on a second. Vick was a failure yet he went to multiple playoffs?? So what does that make Alex?
Originally posted by kidash98:
I find it humorous that no matter what team has AS (in this case the Chiefs), those who don't and didn't like him continue to blast the guy. It's like all the other threads about Smith when he was a Niner.
The thread is titled "How many games will the Chiefs win" yet it seems to a lot of you, it's more "How many games will AS win." Like he is the only cog in the machine that matters.
Granted, he plays one of, if not, the most important position in the game yet the hatred for the guy clearly shows by some of the post within this thread. It's at that point that its reminiscent of the last how many years when he was a Niner.
The Mods are discussing if we should let this thread live or if we should lock it. Personally, IMO, if it continues to be a b***hfest about AS, I think we should lock it up. There is nothing really new anyone can add in the discussion if it stays about AS. BUT I realize that the thread is about the Chiefs and how many games we think they can win. That is what we're talking about, right??? In that sense, I think the topic is a valid one since it dictates what we will receive as a compensation for the trade.
For those of you who have been civil and talk about the Chiefs as a team, thank you. For those who come in here just to talk about Alex, to incite the others, I guess certain things will never change.
With that said, anyone caught posting anything to incite the mass regarding AS, let it be known that we will go back in our ways of handing warnings, if not banning, posters altogether. If some of you can't talk about another team AS A TEAM, then you have no business being in this thread. Debates are good if done in good taste but I all you can do is to b***h about ONE GUY on this team, then it's no different than when he was with us.
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Originally posted by zillabeast:Originally posted by kidash98:I find it humorous that no matter what team has AS (in this case the Chiefs), those who don't and didn't like him continue to blast the guy. It's like all the other threads about Smith when he was a Niner.
The thread is titled "How many games will the Chiefs win" yet it seems to a lot of you, it's more "How many games will AS win." Like he is the only cog in the machine that matters.
Granted, he plays one of, if not, the most important position in the game yet the hatred for the guy clearly shows by some of the post within this thread. It's at that point that its reminiscent of the last how many years when he was a Niner.
The Mods are discussing if we should let this thread live or if we should lock it. Personally, IMO, if it continues to be a b***hfest about AS, I think we should lock it up. There is nothing really new anyone can add in the discussion if it stays about AS. BUT I realize that the thread is about the Chiefs and how many games we think they can win. That is what we're talking about, right??? In that sense, I think the topic is a valid one since it dictates what we will receive as a compensation for the trade.
For those of you who have been civil and talk about the Chiefs as a team, thank you. For those who come in here just to talk about Alex, to incite the others, I guess certain things will never change.
With that said, anyone caught posting anything to incite the mass regarding AS, let it be known that we will go back in our ways of handing warnings, if not banning, posters altogether. If some of you can't talk about another team AS A TEAM, then you have no business being in this thread. Debates are good if done in good taste but I all you can do is to b***h about ONE GUY on this team, then it's no different than when he was with us.
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Yet the honest truth is, the only reason this thread even exists in the NFL Talk forum is because of Alex Smith.
You don't see any "How many games will the Dolphins win" popping up.
So if it's here because of Smith, does it not make sense to include him in the conversation, whether the feedback is positive or negative?
Originally posted by zillabeast:
Yet the honest truth is, the only reason this thread even exists in the NFL Talk forum is because of Alex Smith.
You don't see any "How many games will the Dolphins win" popping up.
So if it's here because of Smith, does it not make sense to include him in the conversation, whether the feedback is positive or negative?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So much nonsense has been spewed by some that even mostly logical posters try and give it some credence...but it is what it is--untruth.
Most of the Smith supporters, such as the two of us, agree to all or some of
- The draft was weak when Alex Smith was drafted #1.
- Smith was an excellent college QB who was in the running for Heisman, but was not considered to be elite by many pundits.
- Smith was unlucky enough to be drafted by a team who thought Nolan was a HC.
- Numerous OCs--new one almost every year.
- New systems yearly.
- Injury misdiagnosed--Nolan wins dumb coach of the year award.
- Upswing in Smith's career when Jimmy Raye was fired and then two years of very good QBing.
- Injury allowed a super athlete to take over making Smith expendable (and un-affordable).
- Smith now playing for a WCO offensive minded HC.
- We all wonder if he will continue to improve and live up to his potential.
This is not the list of a fanatic who sees no wrong with Smith, but is an example of historical reality. Those who want to deny any and all good are doing so for some odd reason--like to tweak fellow posters, enjoy hating people, were disappointed and can't get over it...none of these reasons scream mature behavior.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparing the Chiefs with their division rivals' starters, on paper they look pretty good.
Originally posted by kidash98:
On technicality, it is. But the question raised was "How many games will the Chiefs win" not "how many games will AS win."
As stated, a good debate can be had if done properly even with the infamous one included in the subject. It's when AS becomes the focus and those that are pro/anti gets into it that it becomes redundant and tiresome.
It's a simple request we are asking each and all of those who frequent this thread: discuss the subject with civility and don't incite others. The same exact thing we've always asked when it came to the infamous one. Whether he was a Niner, or in this case, not.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparing the Chiefs with their division rivals' starters, on paper they look pretty good.
Chiefs
QB Alex Smith
RB Jamaal Charles
FB Anthony Sherman
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Donnie Avery
TE Anthony Fasano
TE Travis Kelce
LT Branden Albert
LG Jeff Allen
C Rodney Hudson
RG Jon Asamoah
RT Eric Fisher
DE Tyson Jackson
NT Dontari Poe
DE Mike DeVito
OLB Justin Houston
ILB Akeem Jordan
ILB Derrick Johnson
OLB Tamba Hali
CB Brandon Flowers
CB Sean Smith
FS Kendrick Lewis
SS Eric Berry
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparing the Chiefs with their division rivals' starters, on paper they look pretty good.
Yeah, most seem to agree with you on this. They are a bit questionable on the OL... don't yet love their DE depth.. don't like their WR depth behind Bowe and Avery much.. Most teams have some issues, whether injuries or simply lack of proven talent. We'll see if the coaches can get these players starting out with some cohesion.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Agree for the most part. I think there are some questions beyond the first 2 WRs. Dexter McCluster has the speed, hopefully he can learn to work on his hands. Aj Jenkins is a project that may or may not pan out, but I'm kinda interested to see what happens with Junior Hemingway. He had a big play that now has him on the coaching radar as an up arrow.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Agree for the most part. I think there are some questions beyond the first 2 WRs. Dexter McCluster has the speed, hopefully he can learn to work on his hands. Aj Jenkins is a project that may or may not pan out, but I'm kinda interested to see what happens with Junior Hemingway. He had a big play that now has him on the coaching radar as an up arrow.
Yeah, sounded like Hemmingway was making a pretty nice impression in TC before getting dinged up a bit. I would love for Kelce to have shined in TC and preseason, but so far, I can only think of the word disappointment when I assess him thus far.