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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

oh look...same s**t, different page
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Oh, I don't know about ONLY difference... but it's a pretty glaring advantage that the others share. You disagree with proper development in the early years plus consistent scheme equaling quite a hefty advantage for a QB?

Development and familiarity are key advantages, but I think the main difference between those QBs and Alex is ability.
Originally posted by Joecool:
No one needs the eye test for that. It is obvious to the blind. The dude doesn't attempt anywhere near the number of difficult throws as compared to the top QB's in the league.

Not sure what your point of giving 2 or even 8 as examples. These other dudes do this every game.

Yeah, what is Andy Reid smoking to give up so much for that QB? Well clearly, Reid is blind and crazed! You should give him a call and help him realize what anyone with sight must see!
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Development and familiarity are key advantages, but I think the main difference between those QBs and Alex is ability.

Ah... this must be why Alex fell in the draft and sucked in college! He has no ability! Brilliant!
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
The eye test is great for Joe, because it give him license to be completely subjective in substantiating his "facts". It also allows for the disqualification of examples that run counter to those "facts".

Example:

Originally posted by Joecool:
The biggest difference between Alex Smith and other top QB's is that most of the QB's attempt higher level of difficultly throws whereas Alex will not.

Hey Joe, what about that pass Alex threaded to VD in the play offs for the victory?

A: That was a one off example. Alex is not capable of making that throw on a consistent basis.

Hey Joe, what about the pass to Walker for the victory over Detroit.

A: Yeah sure, Alex might make that throw 2 or 3 times in a year, but again he can't do it on a regular basis and certainly can't do it outside of the hash marks.

Hey Joe, what about that long bomb to VD against the Bengals where he was tightly covered? Or the pass to Crabtree right afterwards between 2 defenders?

A: Well the pass to Crabtree was called back so it doesn't count. Alex does better throwing the ball to VD, but he's not a WR, so that's not what we're talking about.

This fantastic analysis appears to have been overlooked.

No one needs the eye test for that. It is obvious to the blind. The dude doesn't attempt anywhere near the number of difficult throws as compared to the top QB's in the league.

Not sure what your point of giving 2 or even 8 as examples. These other dudes do this every game.
His point was made in the opening paragraph: The eye test is great for Joe, because it give him license to be completely subjective in substantiating his "facts". It also allows for the disqualification of examples that run counter to those "facts".
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Oh, I don't know about ONLY difference... but it's a pretty glaring advantage that the others share. You disagree with proper development in the early years plus consistent scheme equaling quite a hefty advantage for a QB?

Development and familiarity are key advantages, but I think the main difference between those QBs and Alex is ability.

Smith is not any of those guys, to be sure. Hell, he may not even be top 10. But he is better than some give him credit for.

All success that he's had - no credit to him.
All failures that he'd had - all on him.

That is what irks me.
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Yeah, it worked out really well for AZ..remember that game? 18 for 19?

The 32nd ranked defense.

I ran a fact check on this. I'm not seeing #32 no matter how you slice it - points, yards, etc. In fact, pretty good pass D for the Cards last year...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense

And

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321029022
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Yeah, it worked out really well for AZ..remember that game? 18 for 19?

The 32nd ranked defense.

I ran a fact check on this. I'm not seeing #32 no matter how you slice it - points, yards, etc. In fact, pretty good pass D for the Cards last year...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense

And

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321029022

[ Edited by Mr.Mcgibblets on Aug 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM ]
No matter how they get there, ALL 9ers fans should be rooting for 8-8. That gives the 9ers their highest draft pick in 2014, anything less gives us a 3rd rounder, anything more drops our 2nd round position.

COME ON 8-8!!!!
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Oh, I don't know about ONLY difference... but it's a pretty glaring advantage that the others share. You disagree with proper development in the early years plus consistent scheme equaling quite a hefty advantage for a QB?

Development and familiarity are key advantages, but I think the main difference between those QBs and Alex is ability.

Smith is not any of those guys, to be sure. Hell, he may not even be top 10. But he is better than some give him credit for.

All success that he's had - no credit to him.
All failures that he'd had - all on him.

That is what irks me.

Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Oh, I don't know about ONLY difference... but it's a pretty glaring advantage that the others share. You disagree with proper development in the early years plus consistent scheme equaling quite a hefty advantage for a QB?

Development and familiarity are key advantages, but I think the main difference between those QBs and Alex is ability.

Smith is not any of those guys, to be sure. Hell, he may not even be top 10. But he is better than some give him credit for.

All success that he's had - no credit to him.
All failures that he'd had - all on him.

That is what irks me.

Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results

You just proved my point. It DOES NOT MATTER what he does - your opinion is not. ever. going. to. change. You will find a way to discredit and explain away any modicum of success - The Saints, 18-19, winning seasons, come back victories, future success (should it come) in KC... all of it. ZERO. CREDIT. EVER.

It is NOT the truth, but it is YOUR truth... and that's why (a) there is no point debating with you and (b) you should be voluntarily staying out of this thread. The guy's a BUM, right? WHY WASTE YOUR TIME? WHY?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results

There is so many things just wrong and ignorant about this post... not going to go through this recycled trash, because you obviously choose to overlook it when explained many times already.

... and yet, here you still are... even after saying you will go away... but you just can not.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results

There is so many things just wrong and ignorant about this post... not going to go through this recycled trash, because you obviously choose to overlook it when explained many times already.

... and yet, here you still are... even after saying you will go away... but you just can not.

Yeah... I started to fact check this stuff. Again. (For example - http://www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/careerstats)...

then I realized that there is no point. Perception IS reality. Nothing will change that.

I just don't understand why it is so important to spend so much time beating on the guy and finding new ways to not acknowledge any positives.

Anyway.... I've derailed this thread enough and said my piece.

Later.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results

There is so many things just wrong and ignorant about this post... not going to go through this recycled trash, because you obviously choose to overlook it when explained many times already.

... and yet, here you still are... even after saying you will go away... but you just can not.
it's hard..it's not like this is the only place that is divided about AS right ?
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Playing to not lose...shouldn't get credit for the win. Defense and ST won most of the games in 2011.

look at the way AS had to start out the game against the steelers..there is no way he can do that the whole game..and i'm not talking about stats..im talking about the tempo he had to use to get the ball out to the receivers.

he is a good dude..but just a stop gap player who knows his limits
not hating its just the truth..Proof you might say?

he was a UFA and only one team called after his best W/L record ever

Harbaugh didn't want AS starting after only one performance of a QB who was still green

Now here's the kicker...

AS yearly stats are no different from any year..The only thing he approved on was not taking chances which gave him a higher % but ended up with the same results

There is so many things just wrong and ignorant about this post... not going to go through this recycled trash, because you obviously choose to overlook it when explained many times already.

... and yet, here you still are... even after saying you will go away... but you just can not.

Yeah... I started to fact check this stuff. Again. (For example - http://www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/careerstats)...

then I realized that there is no point. Perception IS reality. Nothing will change that.

I just don't understand why it is so important to spend so much time beating on the guy and finding new ways to not acknowledge any positives.

Anyway.... I've derailed this thread enough and said my piece.

Later.
Fact check ?

what 2500 passing yards 15 TDs rough avg without the math..not counting injured years

i dont see the importance trying to make some who is not..
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Aug 28, 2013 at 2:35 PM ]