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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
There will always be 2 divisive issues, so long as this thread remains open.

1. The detractors (who probably won't even watch most KC games) will make assumptions based on stats... they will spin and twist most everything to fit their everlasting agenda. They have a vested interest in FINALLY "being right" about Alex being average at best. (as if being right at this point somehow suggests they were never wrong to begin with) This is some form of WZ pride that they are trying to restore in regards to their "expert" QB evaluations. (except for those convinced that J.T. O'Sullivan was wonderful, lolz... that one's in the books forever)

2. The detractors take great pride and enjoyment over inciting those who do like and respect Alex and the Chiefs. It will be straight trolling under the pretense of "being analytical."

It's just going to be a mess... but oh well.. don't say I didn't warn you. At least this thread will help the WZ flourish (though more divided than ever) as it stays at the top of this sub-forum and grows faster than most other threads... cuz folks still love to get their Alex Smith fix.


SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Anywho.... I apologize for participating in the derailment of this thread.

I don't think that last week's preseason game is sufficient for anyone to properly modify their pre-existing conclusion....any more than a perfect performance this week should.

I'll endorse this post...pre-season is called pre-season for a reason! When the games count it will be fun to keep track of the two teams and their QBs. I wish them both well!
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.


Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?

Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.


Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?

Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.

THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.


Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?

Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.

THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.

50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+

Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.

Keep talking.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Aug 22, 2013 at 11:09 PM ]
Originally posted by Jakemall:
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+

Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.

Keep talking.

...removed sarcasm...I believe some think it a sin to compare our former QB with any good QB, let along great QB. Thanks for the post!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Aug 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM ]
Originally posted by Jakemall:
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+

Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.

Keep talking.

Very nice. Taught me something I had not even considered.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.


Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?

Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.

THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.

50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+

Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.

Keep talking.

NFL.com shows 42 of 20+ with 8 of them being 40+. Your numbers are off. Where did you get them?

And Aaron Rodgers lowest year was 48 of 20+ with 16 of 40+.

Seriously, where are you pulling this mythica information?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.

IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"

Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.


Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?

Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.

THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.

50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+

Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.

Keep talking.

NFL.com shows 42 of 20+ with 8 of them being 40+. Your numbers are off. Where did you get them?

And Aaron Rodgers lowest year was 48 of 20+ with 16 of 40+.

Seriously, where are you pulling this mythica information?

30+ ≠ 40+
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Aug 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM ]
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8439/year/2010/aaron-rodgers

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2006/alex-smith


LOL @ Joe poking fun at my mythical information. Of all the people....
That settles it.

Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodgers
I see them winning 9 games.
Please, for the love of all that is sacred, tell me this is not where this latest iteration of this tete-a-tete is headed, that Smith is somehow in the same hemisphere as Aaron Rodgers.

Smith isn't even better than what Jeff Garcia was, let alone a perennial MVP-candidate like Rodgers.
Oh, the twisted conclusions people come to on their very own...
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Oh, the twisted conclusions people come to on their very own...

I just said I hope it's not where this is headed, didn't draw a conclusion per se. And small point of order, but it was one of your fellow Alex-philes who entered Rodgers into the mix by comparing him and Smith, and you embraced it.

Oh, the twisted love for mediocre QBs...