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How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI
How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI
Aug 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM
- dmax
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I just want alex to win..period
Aug 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by verb1der:
I can understand how you would interpret the criticism this way. Truth is, everyone wants to be right, and I think that's where it gets all messed up. But we've got to draw the line somewhere. I mean, every QB in the NFL will get praised for their good games and scrutinized for their bad ones. It's impossible for it to just swing one way.
One thing we cannot avoid is Alex Smith will be playing football every Sunday. So it would be ridiculous for all of us to ignore the elephant in the room. Let's say he has a game where he throws an 60 yard bomb to Dwayne Bowe, I'm sure that will be pointed out, and he will be applauded, but if he stinks it up, then we should also be able to point it out without anyone getting defensive.
It's just not that simple. If Alex throws that 60 yard bomb, then the detractors will desperately flock here to find some way to minimize the play. They will blame the CB for being terrible... they will call an O.P.I. that wasn't called... they will say, "the sun shine's on a dog's arse every now and then." They will find something in even his good games to shine a light on and overlook or twist the actual good things.
We have seen it for years... this type of "analysis" will never go away.
This is why the dream of fair analysis and discussion you suggested will always fail.
When a player does something once or twice a year, it does not mean that they can do it successfully on a consistent basis. Why oh why can't some just see that Alex's strength is not outside the hashes or ball placement vs tight coverage.
Aug 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
There will always be 2 divisive issues, so long as this thread remains open.
1. The detractors (who probably won't even watch most KC games) will make assumptions based on stats... they will spin and twist most everything to fit their everlasting agenda. They have a vested interest in FINALLY "being right" about Alex being average at best. (as if being right at this point somehow suggests they were never wrong to begin with) This is some form of WZ pride that they are trying to restore in regards to their "expert" QB evaluations. (except for those convinced that J.T. O'Sullivan was wonderful, lolz... that one's in the books forever)
2. The detractors take great pride and enjoyment over inciting those who do like and respect Alex and the Chiefs. It will be straight trolling under the pretense of "being analytical."
It's just going to be a mess... but oh well.. don't say I didn't warn you. At least this thread will help the WZ flourish (though more divided than ever) as it stays at the top of this sub-forum and grows faster than most other threads... cuz folks still love to get their Alex Smith fix.
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Anywho.... I apologize for participating in the derailment of this thread.
I don't think that last week's preseason game is sufficient for anyone to properly modify their pre-existing conclusion....any more than a perfect performance this week should.
I'll endorse this post...pre-season is called pre-season for a reason! When the games count it will be fun to keep track of the two teams and their QBs. I wish them both well!
Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM
- JTsBiggestFan
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Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?
Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
Aug 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?
Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.
Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08 PM
- Jakemall
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?
Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+
Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.
Keep talking.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Aug 22, 2013 at 11:09 PM ]
Aug 23, 2013 at 12:17 AM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by Jakemall:
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+
Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.
Keep talking.
...removed sarcasm...I believe some think it a sin to compare our former QB with any good QB, let along great QB. Thanks for the post!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Aug 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM ]
Aug 23, 2013 at 4:59 AM
- Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by Jakemall:
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+
Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.
Keep talking.
Very nice. Taught me something I had not even considered.
Aug 23, 2013 at 7:14 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Jakemall:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:Originally posted by Joecool:SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?
Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+
Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.
Keep talking.
NFL.com shows 42 of 20+ with 8 of them being 40+. Your numbers are off. Where did you get them?
And Aaron Rodgers lowest year was 48 of 20+ with 16 of 40+.
Seriously, where are you pulling this mythica information?
Aug 23, 2013 at 8:23 AM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
SMH at the JTO reference when excuses about "giving Alex time" went on for 7 years. Anyone who has excused Alex for his play due to "needing time" or "proper coaching" can't ever conclude that ANY NFL QB was not good if that QB did not get similar time and as many opportunities as Alex did.
IMO, QB's that have better throwing ability could be starter quality QB's if they were also given the excuses that were given to Alex: "time...proper coaching...better weapons"
Save the hypocrisy of your "quick" assessment of failed QB's yet allowing Alex ample excuses. You will see that Alex can't do a lot of things you think he can. Alex needs the players around him to do more than the average player required at that position for Alex to perform well.
Joe, what did you think of Alex's 2006 campaign where he connected on a lot of long passes?
Curious if you think Alex ever had it or not in these areas.
THAT was not a lot and like I have been saying, he rarely makes those throws to tightly covered receivers, even if it is man coverage. If it is man, you may as call the receivers out of the equation unless they miraculously beat their guy by 2 yards...and even then, he used to over throw.
50 attempts of 20+ 25 that were 30+
Compared to Roger's career best of 65 over 20 and 25 being over 30.
Keep talking.
NFL.com shows 42 of 20+ with 8 of them being 40+. Your numbers are off. Where did you get them?
And Aaron Rodgers lowest year was 48 of 20+ with 16 of 40+.
Seriously, where are you pulling this mythica information?
30+ ≠ 40+
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Aug 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM ]
Aug 23, 2013 at 8:52 AM
- Jakemall
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8439/year/2010/aaron-rodgers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2006/alex-smith
LOL @ Joe poking fun at my mythical information. Of all the people....
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2006/alex-smith
LOL @ Joe poking fun at my mythical information. Of all the people....
Aug 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM
- InHarbsWeTrust
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That settles it.
Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodgers
Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodgers
Aug 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM
- SubZero
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I see them winning 9 games.
Aug 23, 2013 at 9:43 AM
- DelCed2486
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Please, for the love of all that is sacred, tell me this is not where this latest iteration of this tete-a-tete is headed, that Smith is somehow in the same hemisphere as Aaron Rodgers.
Smith isn't even better than what Jeff Garcia was, let alone a perennial MVP-candidate like Rodgers.
Smith isn't even better than what Jeff Garcia was, let alone a perennial MVP-candidate like Rodgers.