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Ryan had a 44% int to TD ratio so I'm not sure why he's on anyone's list. That's horrible, especially when you consider his unbelievable receiving group. When I think about Gonzolez and Julio Jones and then consider that 44% int to TD ratio, wow. That's realllllly bad.
Kaep x9

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Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Also, Alex is NOT a top 10 QB, nor a top 20 QB. All homer aside, Alex was average here, he had 1 good season, and the rest was suckage.

I think the issue is who ARE the top now, not what they were doing a few years ago. That's present case so in my mind, it's about this last season. That being the case, you have to admit that Smith's third highest rating and very low TD to int ratio at least get him into the conversation.

No way Alex is top 10 over Eli, Big Ben. If you want to do the what have you done for me lately thing, then Alex is lower than Top 10 IMO. And the list cant be just what have you done lately. This is top 10 NOW like you said, and these are among my top 10.

Eli
Peyton
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Kap
RG3
Wilson
Flacco
Ryan

Then you have

Luck
Big Ben

Then you can talk Alex Smith. I rather have any of those 12 over Alex any day of the week.
Originally posted by 49Perspectives:
I have an idea of everyone's top 5, but who are the top 9 QBs in the league?

My opinion:
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Manning (Peyton)
5. RGIII
6. Kaepernick
7. Wilson
8. Flacco
9. Ryan

Top 5 are firm, Wilson and Kaep are equal in my eyes at 6. Numbers 8 and 9 are up for grabs. My homer side wants Alex Smith on this list. He's been playing great football, we'll see how he does in KC. I wish him the best. There is also Eli, Big Ben, Stafford, Luck... etc... who am I missing? Possibly Vick? He may just redeem himself next season. Joe Cool currently deserves a spot because the ring, but he won't be there long. Ryan at 9 is controversial due to him having arguably the best WR/TE core in the league, but he's been playing great.
Joe cool? Did you really refer to Flacco as Joe cool? There is only 1 Joe cool and I'm sure you can guess who that is!
[ Edited by gbniner on Mar 31, 2013 at 9:13 PM ]
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Also, Alex is NOT a top 10 QB, nor a top 20 QB. All homer aside, Alex was average here, he had 1 good season, and the rest was suckage.

They're coming.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
How can you not have Rodgers at #1 with a 108 rating and 8 ints against 37 td's. And P. Manning has to be right behind him at #2 for similar rating and numbers.

Brees is way down the list in QB rating - sure, he's got lots of yards and td's, but he's got 19 ints to go along with that. Everybody on your top 9 list has a higher rating than Brees with the exception of Flacco. Kaepernick and Brady are almost identical in rating and td-int ratio so I'm not sure why Brady is #1 and Kaepernick's down at #6. If we're going by the numbers from the season and not subjective judgments, Wilson should be just above Brady and Kaepernick, Brees and Rothlesburger should be a bit below them, and Flacco shouldn't even be on the list. And I agree with you on Ryan. So many of his passes were incomplete if he wasn't throwing to Gonzolez and Julio Jones it's ridiculous. Actually, I think Alex Smith deserves to be on the list more than Ryan - much higher rating.

You can't just base your opinion on stats. You have to at least look at them in context. I absolutely can't stand when people use QB rating to put guys over each other. It's silly. Alex Smith over Ryan? You will not find a single person that agrees with you outside this board, period. The guy had 32 touchdowns to Smith's 13 for crying out loud. I'll never understand downgrading a QB just because he had talent around him. Do you use the same logic with Montana or Young?

Brees is a top 5 QB, I could care less about the INT's. He had the worst D in the league and was forced to throw the ball a lot. He had to come from behind a lot. INT's happen that way.

How some cling to QB rating is baffling to me.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Ryan had a 44% int to TD ratio so I'm not sure why he's on anyone's list. That's horrible, especially when you consider his unbelievable receiving group. When I think about Gonzolez and Julio Jones and then consider that 44% int to TD ratio, wow. That's realllllly bad.

Right. 32TD 14INT 5000 yards is reallllly bad... Obviously, if you have good players, these numbers are easily attainable. I think Ryan is overrated, but he's a pretty good QB..and I don't understand how you look at one statline in a vacuum to criticize him.
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Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by LVJay:
NO!

drop your list then, superstar.

don't get mad, bro... your list has the names I like. It was the order that is just NO!
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Whether you like Eli or not, he is a top 10 QB, 2 Super Bowl Wins = Top 10 QB right now.

What are you basing this on?

Eli is my number 10 pushing for 9, but he's too inconsistent. At his best he's a top 5, but we usually see it for only half a season
Originally posted by gbniner:
Joe cool? Did you really refer to Flacco as Joe cool? There is only 1 Joe cool and I'm sure you can guess who that is!

Haha I was worried about this.
Originally posted by gbniner:
Joe cool? Did you really refer to Flacco as Joe cool? There is only 1 Joe cool and I'm sure you can guess who that is!

This!
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. P.Manning
5. Big Ben
6. E.Manning
7. Ryan
8. Kaepernick
9. Wilson
10. Flacco

Some of you guys have RGIII ranked WAY too high. His knee is toast.
My posts are coming out as gibberish so I'm trying to edit them. Very strange.
[ Edited by GNielsen on Apr 1, 2013 at 9:00 AM ]
Is this an April fools thing? My posts are coming out as gibberish. If it's an April fools thing, very funny.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Also, Alex is NOT a top 10 QB, nor a top 20 QB. All homer aside, Alex was average here, he had 1 good season, and the rest was suckage.

I think the issue is who ARE the top now, not what they were doing a few years ago. That's present case so in my mind, it's about this last season. That being the case, you have to admit that Smith's third highest rating and very low TD to int ratio at least get him into the conversation.

His low risk, low reward style negates this argument. It's not as hard to keep a high rating and good TD-INT ratio when you're content with kicking field goals and your main goal is to not turn the ball over, as opposed to the top QBs on this list, who look to score a TD on every drive and take the necessary risks to do so. That's not to say Alex didn't TRY to score a TD on every drive, but certainly didn't take the chances the top QBs take and still succeed doing so.