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Russell Wilson VS Colin Kaepernick

Why don't we just see what people that aren't Seahawks or 49ers fans think? I took the liberty of Googling it, but only starting after the Super Bowl, which benefits the "voting" for you guys, since Kaepernick made it to the big game. Virtually everything I found that ranks QBs puts Wilson ahead of Kaepernick.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000139282/Tannenbaum-Wilson-over-Kaepernick-and-RG3
http://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41876&start=150
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1540659-2013-nfl-preview-power-ranking-the-nfls-10-best-quarterbacks
http://mynorthwest.com/275/2199596/Seahawks-2012-draft-picks-rated-tops-in-new-review (Don Banks choosing Wilson over Kaep at bottom)
http://forums.azcardinals.com/showpost.php?s=27215a5326c659c17327608a09e6e537&p=973532&postcount=24
http://www.ibtimes.com/sportsnet/top-ten-quarterbacks-heading-2013-2014-season-1063270
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/05/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks-heading-into-2013-season
http://joshuadcarney.com/2013/02/04/top-10-active-nfl-quarterbacks/
http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks/

Now, since it's only a window of 6-and-a-half weeks of articles to look through, it's kind of limited compared to what's available if you just Google it with reckless abandon. (Excluding biased sources, as well; such as Bay-area and Seattle-area writers, etc.; and before anyone jumps on the mynorthwest.com URL, it's talking about something Don Banks with SI said.) I found one spot where someone ranked Kaepernick ahead of Wilson, (you find it ) but virtually everyone, everywhere, puts Wilson ahead of Kaepernick.

I'll be curious to see how this gets contested. Talk about a slightly faster 40 time, or top speed, (both of which are side-stats for QBs, anyways; they are passers, first and foremost) or what you think so-and-so will be able to do in the future, but the consensus is Wilson's the preferred QB as it stands currently.
Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
Why don't we just see what people that aren't Seahawks or 49ers fans think? I took the liberty of Googling it, but only starting after the Super Bowl, which benefits the "voting" for you guys, since Kaepernick made it to the big game. Virtually everything I found that ranks QBs puts Wilson ahead of Kaepernick.
Kaep and Wilson performed very comparably. However, Wilson did it in a larger sample size. Analysts are going to put more stock in someone who put up comparable numbers in twice the playing time. I think a lot of people still consider Kaep something of an unknown. Can he perform like this over a full season? Maybe. Wilson has already, though.

Kaep took over a team that Alex Smith (for all intents and purposes) led to a Super Bowl, so I don't think people look at Kaep and think, "wow, he put this team on the back and led this team to a Super Bowl!" I think the playing time thing has a lot more to do with the rankings than how far they led their teams.
It really doesn't make any difference. The 49ers have CK, and the Seahawks have Wilson. I really don't see a negative for either.
Both QBs have strengths and weaknesses. And their strengths seem to cover their weaknesses well.
Wilson is shorter, but he is elusive as can be, and has a great knack for finding an open receiver.

Both QBs have a bright future. They both seem highly intelligent football players. One is taller, the other is more elusive.
One is faster, while the other is quicker. Both look damn good throwing the ball, though.
I can definitely see both competing for top QB honors with the likes of RG3 and Luck in the future.

It will be exciting watching their careers unfold.
Of course, I'm hoping CK comes out on top.
Originally posted by theduke85:
Kaep and Wilson performed very comparably. However, Wilson did it in a larger sample size. Analysts are going to put more stock in someone who put up comparable numbers in twice the playing time. I think a lot of people still consider Kaep something of an unknown. Can he perform like this over a full season? Maybe. Wilson has already, though.

Kaep took over a team that Alex Smith (for all intents and purposes) led to a Super Bowl, so I don't think people look at Kaep and think, "wow, he put this team on the back and led this team to a Super Bowl!" I think the playing time thing has a lot more to do with the rankings than how far they led their teams.

There was a few games that ck started in that he inarguably led the team to victory. Green Bay and Atl in the playoffs stand out to me.
I live in Vancouver, BC and sometimes listen to 710am espn Seattle, heard a Hawks troll say that if Kaep was on the Seahawks they wouldnt have made the playoffs last year lmao!
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
There was a few games that ck started in that he inarguably led the team to victory. Green Bay and Atl in the playoffs stand out to me.
I know, and I agree. But here's what I'm saying: last year, Alex Smith led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game. This year, with mostly the same team, Kaepnerik was probably expected to do the same. Him reaching the Super Bowl wasn't astonishing to people, because I think a lot of people expected it of him, given the team he was inheriting. I'm not taking anything away from Kaep, I'm just saying I think that the media maybe doesn't give him the due they normally would because of the circumstances. Remember how many discussions there were along the lines of, "if Kaep doesn't lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, Harbaugh has made a huge mistake... etc..." It's almost like there was an expectation that he would lead him there.

And even with those great playoff games included, he still only started 10 games total. Wilson started 18.

And for the record, I am not arguing these as negatives against Kaep. I'm just saying I think this is why almost every analyst picks Wilson over Kaep. It's not fair to judge them straight-up to one another, because they don't have an equal body of work. Analysts love a large sample size, and Kaep is (relatively speaking) somewhat of an unknown commodity.
[ Edited by theduke85 on Mar 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM ]
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
There was a few games that ck started in that he inarguably led the team to victory. Green Bay and Atl in the playoffs stand out to me.
I know, and I agree. But here's what I'm saying: last year, Alex Smith led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game. This year, with mostly the same team, Kaepnerik was probably expected to do the same. Him reaching the Super Bowl wasn't astonishing to people, because I think a lot of people expected it of him, given the team he was inheriting. I'm not taking anything away from Kaep, I'm just saying I think that the media maybe doesn't give him the due they normally would because of the circumstances. Remember how many discussions there were along the lines of, "if Kaep doesn't lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, Harbaugh has made a huge mistake... etc..." It's almost like there was an expectation that he would lead him there.

And even with those great playoff games included, he still only started 10 games total. Wilson started 18.

And for the record, I am not arguing these as negatives against Kaep. I'm just saying I think this is why almost every analyst picks Wilson over Kaep. It's not fair to judge them straight-up to one another, because they don't have an equal body of work. Analysts love a large sample size, and Kaep is (relatively speaking) somewhat of an unknown commodity.

and wilson didnt inherit a hawks team was top 5 in defense the year before? May be Alex Smith would have taken us to the Super Bowl, but I dont see us coming back winning the Atl game with him! Not only did Kaep led this team to the Super Bowl, he damn nearly won it... if it wasn't for the play calling on the last 3 plays!
Originally posted by theduke85:
I know, and I agree. But here's what I'm saying: last year, Alex Smith led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game. This year, with mostly the same team, Kaepnerik was probably expected to do the same. Him reaching the Super Bowl wasn't astonishing to people, because I think a lot of people expected it of him, given the team he was inheriting. I'm not taking anything away from Kaep, I'm just saying I think that the media maybe doesn't give him the due they normally would because of the circumstances. Remember how many discussions there were along the lines of, "if Kaep doesn't lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, Harbaugh has made a huge mistake... etc..." It's almost like there was an expectation that he would lead him there.

And even with those great playoff games included, he still only started 10 games total. Wilson started 18.

And for the record, I am not arguing these as negatives against Kaep. I'm just saying I think this is why almost every analyst picks Wilson over Kaep. It's not fair to judge them straight-up to one another, because they don't have an equal body of work. Analysts love a large sample size, and Kaep is (relatively speaking) somewhat of an unknown commodity.

I agree and it can also swing to why wilson was getting such great publicity also. The media acted as if a qb of his size had never been successful in the nfl before and so he was beating the odds. i think after this season woukd be the better tome to compare these two amazing qbs.
Originally posted by kam_niners1:
and wilson didnt inherit a hawks team was top 5 in defense the year before?
Come on, you're really reaching here. The Seahawks were 7-9 in 2011. The 49ers were 13-3. The Seahawks surpassed expectations much more than the 49ers did.

And let me be clear: I am not saying Wilson is better than Kaep. I honestly think it's a toss-up. I'm just giving reasons for the the media favors Wilson in things like rankings and such.
Originally posted by theduke85:
Kaep and Wilson performed very comparably. However, Wilson did it in a larger sample size. Analysts are going to put more stock in someone who put up comparable numbers in twice the playing time. I think a lot of people still consider Kaep something of an unknown. Can he perform like this over a full season? Maybe. Wilson has already, though.

Kaep took over a team that Alex Smith (for all intents and purposes) led to a Super Bowl, so I don't think people look at Kaep and think, "wow, he put this team on the back and led this team to a Super Bowl!" I think the playing time thing has a lot more to do with the rankings than how far they led their teams.
i hear what you're saying, but i can't agree with it...

yes it's true RW started every game last year, but let's be fair about it.. he was handcuffed all the way up to the chicago game... he was working with half a playbook and we relied heavily on the run game.. heck i think he averaged like 17 pass attempts a game... what did he have like 13 against you guys in our first meeting.. as apposed to the second half of the season where he was probably averaging 30 attempts a game....

so to say he has a bigger sampling to look at is a bit misleading, yes he started, but he mostly turned around and handed the ball off, or scrambled... bottom line, neither QB had a big or accurate sampling to look at and say without a doubt this is what he is.. They both have a lot of room for improvement and growth physically and mentally..
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
i think after this season woukd be the better tome to compare these two amazing qbs.
For sure. I think there's enough tape on both that, with a full offseason to gameplan against them, they'll really be tested next year.
Originally posted by hawker84:
yes it's true RW started every game last year, but let's be fair about it.. he was handcuffed all the way up to the chicago game... he was working with half a playbook and we relied heavily on the run game.. heck i think he averaged like 17 pass attempts a game... what did he have like 13 against you guys in our first meeting.. as apposed to the second half of the season where he was probably averaging 30 attempts a game....
Russell averaged 26.25 passes per game his first 8 games, 22.87 passes his last 8 games.
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Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by hawker84:
yes it's true RW started every game last year, but let's be fair about it.. he was handcuffed all the way up to the chicago game... he was working with half a playbook and we relied heavily on the run game.. heck i think he averaged like 17 pass attempts a game... what did he have like 13 against you guys in our first meeting.. as apposed to the second half of the season where he was probably averaging 30 attempts a game....
Russell averaged 26.25 passes per game his first 8 games, 22.87 passes his last 8 games.
Hell, even if you throw out the Lions game (35 attempts, season high) and instead count that as the second half of the year, and throw out the Cardinals game (only 13 attempts because of the blowout), you get:

25 passes per game in his first 7 games.
25.625 passes in his last 8 games.
Throw out the Cards game completely.


So what's your point? He passed poorly in the first half of the year? Well, that's exactly the point I am trying to make. Analysts have seen Wilson longer -- long enough to see him go through high's and low's. Kaep hasn't played a full season, and so they haven't had a chance to see him through a prolonged period of struggling; is that because he only played 7 regular season games, or is it because he is super consistent? That we don't know. Only a longer period of study will reveal the answer to that.

And even despite Russell's struggles, his combined year-end totals were still very good. What will Kaep's year-end totals look like? You really can't extrapolate 7 games worth of data to 16 games, because you don't know if it will hold up. With Wilson, no extrapolation is necessary. There is greater reliability to choosing him for that reason.
[ Edited by theduke85 on Mar 20, 2013 at 1:23 PM ]
Originally posted by Wrathman:
Collapse the pocket around him, he won't be able to see over the line!

Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
Why don't we just see what people that aren't Seahawks or 49ers fans think? I took the liberty of Googling it, but only starting after the Super Bowl, which benefits the "voting" for you guys, since Kaepernick made it to the big game. Virtually everything I found that ranks QBs puts Wilson ahead of Kaepernick.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000139282/Tannenbaum-Wilson-over-Kaepernick-and-RG3
http://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41876&start=150
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1540659-2013-nfl-preview-power-ranking-the-nfls-10-best-quarterbacks
http://mynorthwest.com/275/2199596/Seahawks-2012-draft-picks-rated-tops-in-new-review (Don Banks choosing Wilson over Kaep at bottom)
http://forums.azcardinals.com/showpost.php?s=27215a5326c659c17327608a09e6e537&p=973532&postcount=24
http://www.ibtimes.com/sportsnet/top-ten-quarterbacks-heading-2013-2014-season-1063270
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/05/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks-heading-into-2013-season
http://joshuadcarney.com/2013/02/04/top-10-active-nfl-quarterbacks/
http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks/

Now, since it's only a window of 6-and-a-half weeks of articles to look through, it's kind of limited compared to what's available if you just Google it with reckless abandon. (Excluding biased sources, as well; such as Bay-area and Seattle-area writers, etc.; and before anyone jumps on the mynorthwest.com URL, it's talking about something Don Banks with SI said.) I found one spot where someone ranked Kaepernick ahead of Wilson, (you find it ) but virtually everyone, everywhere, puts Wilson ahead of Kaepernick.

I'll be curious to see how this gets contested. Talk about a slightly faster 40 time, or top speed, (both of which are side-stats for QBs, anyways; they are passers, first and foremost) or what you think so-and-so will be able to do in the future, but the consensus is Wilson's the preferred QB as it stands currently.

So what you are saying is, before the super bowl everyone and thejr mama would take kaep. Now that seahawks won the offseason bowl, everyone picks wilson. What changed in that short period of time betweenthe two qbs besides kaep having a good game?

Do you see how that works? Thats why it is better to use your own eyes and a few good analysts. Not people from an arizona retardinal fan forum or thise wacky sources u posted.

If Sea starts out 0-2 they will be back on Kaepernick over wilson.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Mar 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM ]