Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Frank is a Power Runner. He is ALSO an elusive runner.
He's a BALANCED back with tremendous vision and can do everything. The only thing he doesn't have is elite speed...and thats likely do to 2 torn ACLs in college.
Marvin.. i actually respect your posts quite a bit.. i read your stuff here and on other sites as well... but i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you.. my idea of a power back is someone like Earl Cambell, Christian Okoye, Brandon Jacobs, someone who'll straight power over you or through you, i looked at several different highlights of gore yesterday and never saw any of this, not even on the goal line.. elusiveness , heck ya all day, powering through people, never saw it.. he may be powerful, as in strong.. but he does not have a power running style, IMO...
Our definitions are just different.
I don't see any of those backs you are talking about anymore. Jacobs isn't even really that guy...he dances too much.
When I think of a power back, I don't think of a bull. I think of a guy who can make yards after contact. A guy who can break arm tackles. Who are guys who can do that these days? Steven Jackson. Marshawn Lynch. Adrian Peterson.
What's important to note about those guys tho is that they are by no means ONLY power runners. That is just one aspect of their game.
Frank was a power runner in that respct, particularly early on. What has given him longevity in the league and why I think he'll continue to be good here is that his #1 asset is his vision. The guy just see's things that nobody else sees. He's not as fast as he used to be nor does he break as many tackles, but he can still see the field better than anyone.
To be honest...thats gonna be my question with Marshawn. The guy is a monster right now, but I wonder if he's gonna be a guy who disappears overnight. That running style is very difficult to maintain for a long period of time.
Now...as for the Kaep/Wilson debate...
Look....obviously peeps here are gonna like Kaep and peeps in Seattle are gonna like Wilson.
BOTH are the envy of half the league right now.
This whole "elusive" thing about Kaep not making anyone miss and how he'll take more hits etc than Wilson misses the point entirely.
Does Wilson have more LATERAL quickness than Kaep? Yes. He's freakin' 5'10" so I would hope so. He's the closest thing I've ever seen to Kartenton...keeping plays alive and putting tremendous pressure on the DBs to stay with their men.
Kaep has more straight line speed. Don't quote a 40 time to me...I believe what I see on the field. He's MUCH taller and heavier than Wilson so no, he doesn't have the quickness that Wilson does....but he doesn't really need it. I'm perfectly happy seeing him sprint in a straight line 20 yards and getting out of bounds then trying to put a move on someone in the open field. He had over 170 of his 180+ yards against the Packers without getting hit.
...and that's kinda the point. He doesn't get hit. It doesn't happen. When he runs, he'll slide. He'll get out of bounds. He'll get everything he can and not risk the injury. He's smart about it.
He also doesn't get hit in the pocket too much either. Why? Not only does he get away from the rush, but the pass rush actually has to change in an attempt to "contain" him. They don't rush the same way because they fear opening up running lanes. This gives him TIME in the pocket to throw longer passes and to avoid getting hit.
Wilson is similar in this regard as teams try to corral him.
Personally, I'll take the guy whos 6' 5", has a CANNON, was the most accurate passer on balls over 20 yards last year in the NFL and can run like the wind over the guy whos 5' 10" and can scramble. Don't get me wrong, I like Wilson as much as I can like any QB in Seattle....but I'd take Kaep hands down.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Mar 26, 2013 at 8:37 AM ]