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Donte Whitner aka Hitner

Originally posted by trellblaze:
My dream scenario short term is that Whitner signs a dirt cheap contract to stay with us 1 more season. This won't happen but i feel that, given our roster vs salary cap circumstances, he is the best option we could have NEXT SEASON at the position.

Realistically, I say we use the stockpile of draft pics we have (and are still getting) to trade as high up as possible and pick the best DB (be it S or CB) available. No matter how you slice it, DB is going to be our biggest concern next season. If the DB we draft is not a S or has no shot at moving to the the S position, bring in the best available vet and hope for the best. Use the remaining picks to get even more DBs and perhaps an OL and WR. This is all assuming that we intend to re-sign Iupati. If he goes, this dramatically effects our draft strategy.

I have no problem with Whitner coming back but we simply can't afford him next season. The EZ problems can be adjusted for in many ways, some of which you've already suggested. You could also simply remove Whitner from the goal line defensive package.

Yeah you hit the nail on the head with this one...we ALL know Hitner's weaknesses (no, not going to call him Donte Whiffner after yesterday's game...LOL). But scheme is not suited to his strengths in the RZ in particular. Reid is so dynamic it's covering up some of this (despite giving up almost 300 yards to Palmer yesterday) but let me give you an example of what smart DC's and OC's do re: scheme to maximize their player's strengths and minimize their weaknesses. The Texans have one of the best WR's in the game in Andre Johnson...naturally, they line him up on Brock to start the game. Smart move...but Brock ball's out with 2 INT's and a pass defensed. What do the Texans then do? They move him over to Brown's side and exploit him. Smart move! The Patriots play the Saints and Graham is a nightmare matchup...so they take their best cover CB (taller) in Talib and place him on him ALL game long - results? 0 catches. THIS is smart football. What isn't smart football? On 3rd and 4 playing your CB's off 10-15 yards for simple pitch-and-catch first downs...and eventually, a 75 yard TD. Stupid. Nice to see Fangio adjust some and play more press AFTER the TD but come on, like Whitner in the RZ, how much more evidence do you need?

So to me, we can play with Whitner...he is NOT a bad player by any means. But scheme has to correct to maximize his strengths and honestly, I'm not 100% confident in the vanilla 3-4 Fangio runs right now. So THAT said, we should be looking for taller, more physical CB's to play press and another FS to play (SS) next year who has range and intelligence so it fits our vanilla scheme better esp. in the RZ. I've been b!tching for a real two-gap NT since we passed on Wilfork...twice...and here we are. The Cards ran right down our throats there. The difference in this game was that 89 yard, 9:30+ minute drive and TO's. I have to give Roman credit for learning from the Colts game that we grind it out with Gore/Hunter for the win (no, NOT a cold Dixon off the bench).
Originally posted by NinerG94:
At the very least change the title so its doesn't sound so disrespectful.

Agreed, the title should be change, no doubt. Should just be a general discussion on him...
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerG94:
At the very least change the title so its doesn't sound so disrespectful.

Agreed, the title should be change, no doubt. Should just be a general discussion on him...

The original post happened pre-draft and assumed a replacement would be drafted. His contract is up at the end of the year and we have seen Baalke's method to handle these situations is to sign the guy early at a discount or go into FAcy/draft for a replacement. This may be Whitner's chance for a big payday...wouldn't blame him if he took the money and left.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerG94:
At the very least change the title so its doesn't sound so disrespectful.

Agreed, the title should be change, no doubt. Should just be a general discussion on him...

The original post happened pre-draft and assumed a replacement would be drafted. His contract is up at the end of the year and we have seen Baalke's method to handle these situations is to sign the guy early at a discount or go into FAcy/draft for a replacement. This may be Whitner's chance for a big payday...wouldn't blame him if he took the money and left.

Agreed.

Me either...and keep in mind, Reid is already calling the plays back there and ensuring proper alignments. IF we go a rookie FS/SS there next year, Reid will already be ready to help that youngster along given his football-IQ, drive and experience in our defense.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed.

Me either...and keep in mind, Reid is already calling the plays back there and ensuring proper alignments. IF we go a rookie FS/SS there next year, Reid will already be ready to help that youngster along given his football-IQ, drive and experience in our defense.

How is that possible! Just amazing to me that Reid can be that precocious and that the niners were able to see that and get him. Wow! Just great scouting and draft savvy/evaluation.
At some point Hitner will be replaced but until that time I have a ton of respect for him. I am going to enjoy the moment and not obsess over replacing him.

He's a hellofa 49er.
Originally posted by 49erWay:
At some point Hitner will be replaced but until that time I have a ton of respect for him. I am going to enjoy the moment and not obsess over replacing him.

He's a hellofa 49er.

I respect him as well. It is interesting that he has performed much better with Reid than Goldson. Makes me wonder if Whitner was left holding the bag more often due to Goldson's miscues.
Solid professional but my concern is he's always around the ball....after it has been completed. If a team only needs to win one game vs us, just one game, they know exactly where to throw that ball. Whitner can't even cover the slowest target out there.
Originally posted by 60sFan:
I respect him as well. It is interesting that he has performed much better with Reid than Goldson. Makes me wonder if Whitner was left holding the bag more often due to Goldson's miscues.

Goldson has always been more of a SS always wanting to jump routes and go downhill, which basically made them interchangeable within the system. With Reid they are just letting him play close to the line the majority of time while Reid plays center field allowing Whitner to do what he excels at... diagnosing and tackling rather than coverage.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by 60sFan:
I respect him as well. It is interesting that he has performed much better with Reid than Goldson. Makes me wonder if Whitner was left holding the bag more often due to Goldson's miscues.

Goldson has always been more of a SS always wanting to jump routes and go downhill, which basically made them interchangeable within the system. With Reid they are just letting him play close to the line the majority of time while Reid plays center field allowing Whitner to do what he excels at... diagnosing and tackling rather than coverage.

This is very very true. In the 3-4 your S's are interchangeable but a personal testament to how the coaching staff felt about Goldson's coverage abilities were highllighted in the RZ (where it counts) when it was Whitner who was constantly asked to cover the Graham's, Gronk's and Boldin's of the NFL. Like NE playing CB Talib on Graham, who, physically, wouldn't rather have Goldson matched up on these guys in the RZ over a 5'10" (maybe) Whitner who can't jump and has poor coverage skills? THAT is how bad Goldson was perceived in coverage and the real reason we didn't offer him more than 5 years, 25M. I am not surprised at all that Hitner is looking better this year thus far and the RZ TD's are down...Reid is special and he'd make ME look good back there (not to take anything away from Hitner)...Reid is just THAT good, even at this junction!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed.

Me either...and keep in mind, Reid is already calling the plays back there and ensuring proper alignments. IF we go a rookie FS/SS there next year, Reid will already be ready to help that youngster along given his football-IQ, drive and experience in our defense.

How is that possible! Just amazing to me that Reid can be that precocious and that the niners were able to see that and get him. Wow! Just great scouting and draft savvy/evaluation.

Pretty amazing isn't it! Did you see Hitner haul ASS down to pick his boy Reid up after his INT? Hitner know's where his $ is at and is happy as hell for Reid. That's his boy he's helped train back there!

"Sorry for that missed tackle that led to that long Fitzgerald TD!" Whitner wrote on his verified Twitter account. "Won't happen again."

No worries bro...that was just a bang-bang play and Larry is the best in the biz!
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM ]
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Am I the only one not feeling this whole "hitner" hype? Dude is feelin himself way too much, does he really expect people to buy this s**t?
Originally posted by verb1der:
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Am I the only one not feeling this whole "hitner" hype? Dude is feelin himself way too much, does he really expect people to buy this s**t?

I feel like he is trying to be as "visable" as possible in his contract year (esp.); it started last year as he was very vocal in the press. I'd rather he shut the trap and work on better coverage esp. in the EZ.
He is having a great year so far!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Pretty amazing isn't it! Did you see Hitner haul ASS down to pick his boy Reid up after his INT? Hitner know's where his $ is at and is happy as hell for Reid. That's his boy he's helped train back there!

"Sorry for that missed tackle that led to that long Fitzgerald TD!" Whitner wrote on his verified Twitter account. "Won't happen again."

No worries bro...that was just a bang-bang play and Larry is the best in the biz!

He is so mature he is becoming a leader as a rookie...far cry from some of our recent picks...though I have no complaints this year. Compared to Jenkins...