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Donte Whitner aka Hitner
Sep 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM
- TheXFactor
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lets not cut him and fix the problem of a flat offense last night...
Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM
- AUniner
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Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
lets not cut him and fix the problem of a flat offense last night...
This. In the end they were in front on the scoreboard all night and were able to do what they wanted.
The strength of our D is to make the other team one dimensional and pass, pass, pass. Then force turnovers & sacks.
Seattle beat us at our own game.
Sep 16, 2013 at 7:21 PM
- SofaKing
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I've got no problem with Whitner. He's doing his job.
It's our offense that has coverage issues. They don't know how to play a team that can cover.
It's our offense that has coverage issues. They don't know how to play a team that can cover.
Sep 17, 2013 at 7:40 AM
- NCommand
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^^^ You guys can continue to ignore this all you want but it's been a major problem for us for 3 years now:
...You can see the night and day difference between Reid (FS) and Whitner (SS) in coverage immediately, once Reid was hurt. Wilson only had 142 passing yards but 1/2 of those yards were on Whitner (50 yard bomb on 3rd down and another 15+ yarder; probably more) and another was a 40 yarder on Nnamdi for P.I. Had we had ANY safety help over-the-top, that play may have been an incomplete pass. Also, once again, teams passed right down the middle of the field in the RZ and fortunately, Rice dropped both of those TD's. Reid was critical to this game. Who knows, had he been in, perhaps that 50 yarder turns into an INT like on his previous deep ball thrown his way...or maybe Wilson tucks it and never attempts to throw it.
IMHO, some of this is scheme as well. Why is Whitner stuck chasing Baldwin around for a 50 yard catch trailing by some 5 to 10 yards (with his 4.4 speed...LOL), in the first place? Why does Whitner continue to be matched up on teams biggest WR's in the RZ (thankfully Rice dropped both TD's). Why does Fangio decide to FINALLY blitz inside his own RZ with his backup FS (Dahl) for an all-or-nothing blitz and give up, perhaps, the easiest TD I have ever seen? To me, I thought Scheme would be the Theme for 2013 but I keep seeing Fangio play to our weaknesses and put players with clear limitations into no-win situations. And ask yourself this, how much did we rotate our front 7 compared to Seattle or Green Bay? Everyone, including our opposition, knows our weakness (i.e. target Whitner in 1on1 coverage esp. in the RZ)...so why aren't we doing a better job with scheme? I will note that in the GB game, Fangio kept Whitner in deep, deep center field and let Reid play under him, making all the plays. And to be fair, the game plan may have changed once Reid was out.
...You can see the night and day difference between Reid (FS) and Whitner (SS) in coverage immediately, once Reid was hurt. Wilson only had 142 passing yards but 1/2 of those yards were on Whitner (50 yard bomb on 3rd down and another 15+ yarder; probably more) and another was a 40 yarder on Nnamdi for P.I. Had we had ANY safety help over-the-top, that play may have been an incomplete pass. Also, once again, teams passed right down the middle of the field in the RZ and fortunately, Rice dropped both of those TD's. Reid was critical to this game. Who knows, had he been in, perhaps that 50 yarder turns into an INT like on his previous deep ball thrown his way...or maybe Wilson tucks it and never attempts to throw it.
IMHO, some of this is scheme as well. Why is Whitner stuck chasing Baldwin around for a 50 yard catch trailing by some 5 to 10 yards (with his 4.4 speed...LOL), in the first place? Why does Whitner continue to be matched up on teams biggest WR's in the RZ (thankfully Rice dropped both TD's). Why does Fangio decide to FINALLY blitz inside his own RZ with his backup FS (Dahl) for an all-or-nothing blitz and give up, perhaps, the easiest TD I have ever seen? To me, I thought Scheme would be the Theme for 2013 but I keep seeing Fangio play to our weaknesses and put players with clear limitations into no-win situations. And ask yourself this, how much did we rotate our front 7 compared to Seattle or Green Bay? Everyone, including our opposition, knows our weakness (i.e. target Whitner in 1on1 coverage esp. in the RZ)...so why aren't we doing a better job with scheme? I will note that in the GB game, Fangio kept Whitner in deep, deep center field and let Reid play under him, making all the plays. And to be fair, the game plan may have changed once Reid was out.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2013 at 8:38 AM ]
Sep 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM
- darkknight49
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Replace whitner with whom, exactly? Some magical safety that fangio is hiding in the wings?
[ Edited by darkknight49 on Sep 17, 2013 at 7:46 AM ]
Sep 17, 2013 at 7:48 AM
- ads_2006
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Just whitner?
Should replace everyone from ownership to the illegals who cut grass at 49ers hq after that performance Sunday night.
Should replace everyone from ownership to the illegals who cut grass at 49ers hq after that performance Sunday night.
Sep 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM
- darkknight49
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Originally posted by ads_2006:Just whitner?
Should replace everyone from ownership to the illegals who cut grass at 49ers hq after that performance Sunday night.
Lol. Someone made a funny.
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM
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Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Just whitner?
Should replace everyone from ownership to the illegals who cut grass at 49ers hq after that performance Sunday night.
Lol. Someone made a funny.
A true funny! Haha.
Too late to replace Whitner now...tough spot for management. With Goldson taking off, the staff needed a veteran to groom Reid. Perhaps they could have drafted a SS with higher upside or picked one up in FA (Dahl, not included), continue to groom Spillman, etc. but he's the best we have now.
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM
- titan
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For the people who want to cut Whitener, who would you replace him with?
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:18 AM
- valrod33
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Replace him with the White Missile
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:19 AM
- Rascal
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Whitner was always going to be cut by the end of the season. He is a walking disaster, undersized, can't cover, can't catch, can hit OK, but definitely no harder than Dashon.
I still have vivid images in my head of his amazing coverage skills in the end zone during the playoffs. LOL.
Unless you are talking about now, then we can't. We don't have anybody else.
I still have vivid images in my head of his amazing coverage skills in the end zone during the playoffs. LOL.
Unless you are talking about now, then we can't. We don't have anybody else.
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:21 AM
- Ballistic
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as bad as Whitner is in coverage, Dahl was all over the place-- scratching his head/ lost as f*ck
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:28 AM
- Rascal
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Originally posted by Ballistic:
as bad as Whitner is in coverage, Dahl was all over the place-- scratching his head/ lost as f*ck
Yea, but we are comparing sh*t with sh*t. LOL.
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM
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sureOriginally posted by BrianGO:It looked to me that Whitner was the only player on the team that matched Seattle's intensity. He was pulverizing people out there.
Sep 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Ballistic:
as bad as Whitner is in coverage, Dahl was all over the place-- scratching his head/ lost as f*ck
Yea, but we are comparing sh*t with sh*t. LOL.
But Fangio had really high hopes for our 6th rounder in Trent Robinson (another small, short S). LOL