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Griffin or Kaepernick?

Griffin or Kaepernick?

Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
"Kaepernick and the 49ers rushed for 323 yards against the Packers in their last matchup and then threw for 412 on Sunday. Kaepernick is much more than just a read-option quarterback and If I'm starting a team, I'm not sure he isn't the first person on it."


- Brian Billick.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Billick was been up on Kap for awhile, definitely through the off season. Dude knows what's up.

I agree with him.
For those making the argument - albeit a feeble one - that rg3 is unquestionably "better", you're being ridiculous. Listen, I am - along with really all of us on here - are big time niner fans. So I understand why many of you assume partiality or "homerism" when it comes to choosing kaep over RG3. But here's the reality: while RG3 is an immense talent, he doesn't physically share the same skill set. Sure, both players are fast and can run, but Griffen is not as fundamentally sound, not as accurate, has difficulty going through progressions on obvious passing downs, and most importantly, doesn't have the physical make-up to sustain him from injury with the kind of style the redskinsusy play in order for rg3 to succeed. Kaepernick is bigger, just as mobile, has terrific pocket presence, and has developed into a remarkably accurate and fluid passer, especially when it comes to downfield throws. Just look at the advanced stats on profootballfocus and footballoutisders. Aside from that, if you ask any player, coach, or pundit not affiliated wkth either team who the most difficult person to prepare for, kaepernick runs away with it. That, to me, is the sign of a good qb - not stats or all the other measurables people talk about (dalton, for example, is passing at more productive and efficient rates than Marino. In other words, schemes are largely responsible with stats. Context matters).
kaep seems like the better passer, seem like the more cerebral QB.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
RG3: 24 total TD, 6 total turnovers, 2902 passing yards, 748 rushing yards in 13 games

Kap (as a starter): 9 total TD, 3 total turnovers, 1088 passing yards, 202 rushing yards in 5 games --> projected over 13 games: 23 total TD, 8 turnovers, 2829 passing yards, 525 rushing yards

and that's ASSUMING, for your convenience, that his projected numbers don't take a hit.

RG3 was the superior prospect coming in, and he's been just about everything he was hyped up to be. I ain't knocking Kap at all, I'm excited for him, but I'd take RG3 over him


Yeah who knew that the 6'4 230 pounder (probably heavier now) with the strongest arm in college would be better than a 6'2 217 pounder who has an injury history and isnt big enough to take NFL hits on a regular basis.

Dont know how RG3 was the bigger prospect, arent prospects about potential?

So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?
Rg3 is rusty right now but if both are 100% healthy its almost like choosing between a honda civic or toyota corolla. They are basically the same s**t. But kaep is the civic. That is tricked out. With hydralics. And hella bass.
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Originally posted by vrabbit:
So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?

He was a first round talent but teams felt he needed to sit a few years. You cant take a QB in the first round and not play him right away. If the read option had hit earlier Denver takes him at #2.
There is not one thing you can say RG3 is better at other than his draft status. So what? Montana was taken in the 3rd round. Brady in the 6th. Draft status doesn't matter. On the field thus far Kaepernick is better in almost every aspect.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
RG3: 24 total TD, 6 total turnovers, 2902 passing yards, 748 rushing yards in 13 games

Kap (as a starter): 9 total TD, 3 total turnovers, 1088 passing yards, 202 rushing yards in 5 games --> projected over 13 games: 23 total TD, 8 turnovers, 2829 passing yards, 525 rushing yards

and that's ASSUMING, for your convenience, that his projected numbers don't take a hit.

RG3 was the superior prospect coming in, and he's been just about everything he was hyped up to be. I ain't knocking Kap at all, I'm excited for him, but I'd take RG3 over him


Yeah who knew that the 6'4 230 pounder (probably heavier now) with the strongest arm in college would be better than a 6'2 217 pounder who has an injury history and isnt big enough to take NFL hits on a regular basis.

Dont know how RG3 was the bigger prospect, arent prospects about potential?

So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?

It's not unheard of to have experts collectively be incorrect or short sighted in their evaluations.

Also one season does not make a career.

We will see how your argument holds up come end of season, but me personally, I'd not take a single QB in the NFL over Kap and said so a few days prior to the week one games in one of the Seadderall threads in the NFL section.
[ Edited by WINiner on Sep 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
"Kaepernick and the 49ers rushed for 323 yards against the Packers in their last matchup and then threw for 412 on Sunday. Kaepernick is much more than just a read-option quarterback and If I'm starting a team, I'm not sure he isn't the first person on it."


- Brian Billick.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Billick was been up on Kap for awhile, definitely through the off season. Dude knows what's up.

I agree with him.

That's what Billick says. He agrees with you.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?

He was a first round talent but teams felt he needed to sit a few years. You cant take a QB in the first round and not play him right away. If the read option had hit earlier Denver takes him at #2.

oh really? Ok.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
RG3: 24 total TD, 6 total turnovers, 2902 passing yards, 748 rushing yards in 13 games

Kap (as a starter): 9 total TD, 3 total turnovers, 1088 passing yards, 202 rushing yards in 5 games --> projected over 13 games: 23 total TD, 8 turnovers, 2829 passing yards, 525 rushing yards

and that's ASSUMING, for your convenience, that his projected numbers don't take a hit.

RG3 was the superior prospect coming in, and he's been just about everything he was hyped up to be. I ain't knocking Kap at all, I'm excited for him, but I'd take RG3 over him


Yeah who knew that the 6'4 230 pounder (probably heavier now) with the strongest arm in college would be better than a 6'2 217 pounder who has an injury history and isnt big enough to take NFL hits on a regular basis.

Dont know how RG3 was the bigger prospect, arent prospects about potential?

So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?

It's not unheard of to have experts collectively be incorrect or short sighted in their evaluations.

Also one season does not make a career.

We will see how your argument holds up come end of season, but me personally, I'd not take a single QB in the NFL over Kap and said so a few days prior to the week one games in one of the Seadderall threads in the NFL section.

you need to read my latest posts, that guy quoted a post of mine from several months ago
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
RG3, my god this board has lost all objectivity whatsoever

Why? Kaep has all the measurables Griffin has, while beating him soundly in the mental department (if you put any stock in Wonderlic scores). We don't have the benefit of watching Kaep play like this for a full season, but if his first five games were projected onto an entire season, there's no way you'd be complaining for objectivity.

RG3: 24 total TD, 6 total turnovers, 2902 passing yards, 748 rushing yards in 13 games

Kap (as a starter): 9 total TD, 3 total turnovers, 1088 passing yards, 202 rushing yards in 5 games --> projected over 13 games: 23 total TD, 8 turnovers, 2829 passing yards, 525 rushing yards

and that's ASSUMING, for your convenience, that his projected numbers don't take a hit.

RG3 was the superior prospect coming in, and he's been just about everything he was hyped up to be. I ain't knocking Kap at all, I'm excited for him, but I'd take RG3 over him

RG3 also been injured twice already. He seems a little small and fragile to continue that style of play also I think Kap is a better pocked passer.

you guys are reaching

whos reaching now? would anyone in their right mind still take rg3 over the kaeptain
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
I do think rg3 would be the better rapper though

you're right, he is!!


I have always liked this song, and there's not a lot of the new stuff that I like.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
So a QB who's 2 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier is automatically better? Good to know.

Also, you might want to follow NFL drafts a little bit closer: the only reason RG3 didn't go #1 overall was because Andrew Luck was in the same draft class. There's a reason why the Redskins traded a boatload to move up to get him. Kaep wasn't even considered a first rounder. RG3 was definitely the more highly touted prospect out of the two.

Feel free to argue that experts were wrong - was Kaep lucky to not be drafted by, say, the Jaguars?

If your argument is that he was rated highr by the 'experts', then that just doesn't hold water. Joe Montana in the 3rd, Tom Brady in the 6th. I rest my case! The experts are wrong all the time and in every single draft.

You do make a good point forecasting Kaep so the number of games played is equal to Griffin. That is good stuff and very interesting. But the difference maker is injuries, and Griffin has had some big ones already. He just seems more fragile. But I guess anyone can go down on any given Sunday (or Monday, ot Thursday ... lol).