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The Alex Boone Thread!!!!!
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:05 AM
- brodiebluebanaszak
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Im with buck here. how do we ztart talking with him without pissing off vern or joe?
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:06 AM
- Black24Razor
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I like Boone. he's a mauler. But he needs to remember that the Niners basically yanked him out of AA and gave him a shot when no one else would.
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:12 AM
- Magzarillious
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We can turn Jonathon Martin into a guard guaranteed. This guy is being a b***h, don't hold out on your 2nd year!!!
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:16 AM
- ninerfan4life
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Time to put the Rhino down!
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:31 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by lamontb:
I have no issue wiht this. It's the only leverage these guys have. I don't think it will work for him just b/c other guys are of more importance. Just part of the game. Aslong as he shows for TC i'm good.
he signed a contract and now he not honoring that. I am very old fashioned so I think this is just wrong... plus if he thinks this gives him any leverage with this regime,, he is dead wrong. you play chicken with this regime, you are just asking for trouble,,, if he keeps playing this hold out card s**t,,,, he will get it in my opinion.... and just for the record I would be saying the same thing about vernon had it went this far after defending him before but of course it never got that way with him because he is a team player and a pro. send boone to the browns and the nfls graveyard
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:33 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:camper said nothing wrong
Fat, drunk, and undrafted, we salvaged his career, he has been a household favorite. It was, up until now a great story, trade his greedy ass to Jacksonville, and be done with it, what is the point of roster depth if you can't use it? Sorry Boone, you were my favorite Niner, no more cries of BOOOOOONE! every time you level a defender.
Jun 13, 2014 at 8:34 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Im with buck here. how do we ztart talking with him without pissing off vern or joe?
simple,, they are not going to talk to him. you do not hold a gun to the head of this regime. when you do not show up for mandatory stuff,, then you have a whole different conversation about any player
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:40 AM
- 49ERnation
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Simple fix here. Move Kilgore over to boone's spot (where he has experience) then put Marcus Martin at center. Boone will want to come back when he knows his starting status is on the line because then he will only be worth his small contract right now. If he comes back, move Kilgore back over to center until Marcus Martin is ready to take the reigns. Boom. Hire me.
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM
- buck
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Originally posted by cciowa:he signed a contract and now he not honoring that. I am very old fashioned so I think this is just wrong... plus if he thinks this gives him any leverage with this regime,, he is dead wrong. you play chicken with this regime, you are just asking for trouble,,, if he keeps playing this hold out card s**t,,,, he will get it in my opinion.... and just for the record I would be saying the same thing about vernon had it went this far after defending him before but of course it never got that way with him because he is a team player and a pro. send boone to the browns and the nfls graveyard
Teams do not honor every contract and very few, if any, people expect every contract to be honored.
Contracts are renegotiated all of the time. Teams ask players to take less pay than is stipulated in the contract on a regular basis. If the players insist on having the contract honored, the team can cut or trade them.
That dishonoring of a contract by a team is what set the stage for the trade that got us Boldin. The Ravens asked him to take a pay cut and Boldin said no. He felt that contract should be honored and refused to take a pay cut.
A hold out falls within the rights that a player has. Players can withhold their labor.
If Boone opts to hold out, he is responsible for that hold out and the ramifications that come with the hold out.
He could be fined. He could be traded. He could be cut. He could get a new contract.
The contract is between him and the 49ers. If there is a conflict between Boone and the team over his contract, that conflict does not involve me.
As long as teams can break contracts or not honor them, I am not going to base my opinion on a morally deformed judgment that players, and only players, must honor their contracts.
[ Edited by buck on Jun 13, 2014 at 9:49 AM ]
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:47 AM
- jonesadrian
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hold out?
he's getting horrible advice from an agent trying to play hard ball with a team that prides itself on having excellent depth.
just doesn't make sense to not come to mandatory stuff because you want a new contract on this team.. that's the opposite of how to get things done.
he better hope his agent isn't making him do things he doesn't want to do...like telling the 49ers either sign him or trade him cause we know that's not going to end well for him and then when he's in jacksonville he'll be looking at this thing totally different.
he's getting horrible advice from an agent trying to play hard ball with a team that prides itself on having excellent depth.
just doesn't make sense to not come to mandatory stuff because you want a new contract on this team.. that's the opposite of how to get things done.
he better hope his agent isn't making him do things he doesn't want to do...like telling the 49ers either sign him or trade him cause we know that's not going to end well for him and then when he's in jacksonville he'll be looking at this thing totally different.
[ Edited by jonesadrian on Jun 13, 2014 at 9:48 AM ]
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:48 AM
- T-9ers
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Originally posted by buck:Teams do not honor every contract and no one expects every contract to be honored.
Contracts are renegotiated all of the time. Teams ask players to take less pay than is stipulated in the contract on a regular basis. If the players insist on having the contract honored, the team can cut or trade them.
That dishonoring of a contract by a team is what set the stage for the trade that got us Boldin. The Ravens asked him to take a pay cut and Boldin said no. He felt that contract should be honored and refused to take a pay cut.
A hold out falls within the rights that a player has. Players can withhold their labor.
If Boone opts to hold out, he is responsible for that hold out and the ramifications that come with the hold out.
He could be fined. He could be traded. He could be cut. He could get a new contract.
The contract is between him and the 49ers. If there is a conflict between Boone and the team over his contract, that conflict does not involve me.
As long as teams can break contracts or not honor them, I am not going to base my opinion on a morally deformed judgment that players, and only players, must honor their contracts.
Asking someone to take a pay cut is different from not honoring a contract. You can't name one time where a team didn't honor a contract because it's against the law. If a team ever breaks a contract, it is because there is specific language in that contract which allows them to do so.
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:49 AM
- KyleShanahan
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Boone is playing a dangerous game.. with the new CBA holdouts are pointless. It will just tack on another year to his contract.
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:51 AM
- 9erred
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Originally posted by buck:The contracts are agreed upon and signed both lawyers or agents from both sides. No one put a gun to anyones head to get him to sign this deal. As a matter of fact some folks thought the Niners overpayed for a player who had yet to start, was undrafted and had issues in college.
Originally posted by cciowa:
he signed a contract and now he not honoring that. I am very old fashioned so I think this is just wrong... plus if he thinks this gives him any leverage with this regime,, he is dead wrong. you play chicken with this regime, you are just asking for trouble,,, if he keeps playing this hold out card s**t,,,, he will get it in my opinion.... and just for the record I would be saying the same thing about vernon had it went this far after defending him before but of course it never got that way with him because he is a team player and a pro. send boone to the browns and the nfls graveyard
Teams do not honor every contract and no one expects every contract to be honored.
Contracts are renegotiated all of the time. Teams ask players to take less pay than is stipulated in the contract on a regular basis. If the players insist on having the contract honored, the team can cut or trade them.
That dishonoring of a contract by a team is what set the stage for the trade that got us Boldin. The Ravens asked him to take a pay cut and Boldin said no. He felt that contract should be honored and refused to take a pay cut.
A hold out falls within the rights that a player has. Players can withhold their labor.
If Boone opts to hold out, he is responsible for that hold out and the ramifications that come with the hold out.
He could be fined. He could be traded. He could be cut. He could get a new contract.
The contract is between him and the 49ers. If there is a conflict between Boone and the team over his contract, that conflict does not involve me.
As long as teams can break contracts or not honor them, I am not going to base my opinion on a morally deformed judgment that players, and only players, must honor their contracts.
Now teams can walk away from their contracts, which is their right, but they still are on the hook for guaranteed money.
You mentioned that players have the right to hold out, they do, but they will get fined and not earn their game checks if they do not show up. The teams have all the leverage at this point, Boone is not a FA, and he will delay him ever hitting free agency if he holds out. The Niners OWN his rights for two more seasons.
If Boone retires and un retires, the Niners still OWN or have his rights for two more seasons.
The Player, in this case Boone, has zero leverage. Especially with a roster that is deep on the OL.
From you,
1. He could be fined- he will be, and losing 120,000 out of a 1.8 million is a lot.
2. He could be traded- could happen, but doubt it.
3. Could be cut- zero percent chance of happening
4. He could get new contract- I have no clue
5. He could retire- zero chance of this, as he obviously is motivated by money.
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:54 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by buck:please lay out your theory to the niner front office and see what they say. there is a right way and a wrong way to look for a pay hike and holding out when you are under contract, thinking you have some sort of leverage and holding a gun to the head of this regime is not the way to do it. a "morally deformed judgement" is snooty talk when all you had to do is to say, I respectfully disagree with you .. but i guess that would be to simple
Originally posted by cciowa:
he signed a contract and now he not honoring that. I am very old fashioned so I think this is just wrong... plus if he thinks this gives him any leverage with this regime,, he is dead wrong. you play chicken with this regime, you are just asking for trouble,,, if he keeps playing this hold out card s**t,,,, he will get it in my opinion.... and just for the record I would be saying the same thing about vernon had it went this far after defending him before but of course it never got that way with him because he is a team player and a pro. send boone to the browns and the nfls graveyard
Teams do not honor every contract and very few, if any, people expect every contract to be honored.
Contracts are renegotiated all of the time. Teams ask players to take less pay than is stipulated in the contract on a regular basis. If the players insist on having the contract honored, the team can cut or trade them.
That dishonoring of a contract by a team is what set the stage for the trade that got us Boldin. The Ravens asked him to take a pay cut and Boldin said no. He felt that contract should be honored and refused to take a pay cut.
A hold out falls within the rights that a player has. Players can withhold their labor.
If Boone opts to hold out, he is responsible for that hold out and the ramifications that come with the hold out.
He could be fined. He could be traded. He could be cut. He could get a new contract.
The contract is between him and the 49ers. If there is a conflict between Boone and the team over his contract, that conflict does not involve me.
As long as teams can break contracts or not honor them, I am not going to base my opinion on a morally deformed judgment that players, and only players, must honor their contracts.
Jun 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM
- Stanley
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Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Boone is playing a dangerous game.. with the new CBA holdouts are pointless. It will just tack on another year to his contract.
He's not playing a dangerous game, he's play the game. He would be stupid if he didn't.
You'll never know if you don't ask.