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Jan 3, 2013 at 12:10 AM
- HouseNiner
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I didn't hate him right away, only because I was the same way when I first got on to a football field. I would really like to see him play, I hope he is good but we won't know until they pass to him.
Jan 3, 2013 at 12:46 AM
- Kronos2560
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AJ Jenkins will be our full time #2 receiver in the future with Crabtree at #1. Just give him time, this kid has potential. I see him becoming very Antonio Brown-ish for us.
Jan 3, 2013 at 1:29 AM
- LieutKaffee
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Just curious for future, does Jenkins have potential as a kick or punt returner?
Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 AM
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Originally posted by Kronos2560:
AJ Jenkins will be our full time #2 receiver in the future with Crabtree at #1. Just give him time, this kid has potential. I see him becoming very Antonio Brown-ish for us.
I hope so. I questioned the pick at the time and it's making less and less sense as the season goes on.
Jan 3, 2013 at 1:44 AM
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He puts on 10 pounds, he'll be fine as our future #2 to Crabtree. He also needs to hit that Hill...
Jan 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM
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Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
It was disappointing to see AJ drop that ball and appear unprepared. HOWEVER, I am not worried about how his production will be as I am sure he will do just fine. Why?
Because of Kaepernick's abilities.
If that is the case, why didn't Jenkins start getting PT when Kaepernick take over?
Slight aside; I just finished watching the Indy/Houston game. I was very impressed with the rookie receivers Indy has. TY Hilton is a weapon. Coby Fleener is making plays. Dwayne Allen is contributing. (and Reggie Wayne is still there) If all those guys can come in a play well, why is Jenkins on the bench? It certainly isn't because we have a ton of talent ahead of him.
He wasn't gonna play over Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, or Williams. Now that 2 are out, he's played...just hasn't had balls thrown his way.
Manningham played 12 games, including the seattle game where he went out with the injury, so really 11, and alot of those games he was banged up. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
KW played 11, if you include the NO game where he ent out with an injury. Three of those games he didnt have a catch and wasnt even targeted. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
I like both of those guys, but lets face it, for a first round pick, those guys shouldnt be the hardest to unseat, and after the injurys suffered there is no excuse for lack of production from a first rounder.
He has played three games with 1 target. He should have earned himself a spot in the rotation long before he has, and the fact that even now, he seems to be a minor part of the gameplan, and showed a lack of knowing where to lineup is extremely worisome. we are talking about a first rounder. For some perspective, KW played in 5 games his rookie season and he was a 6th round pick. He had one target and one catch for 8 yards. I expect alot more from a first round draft pick.
Hell, our third TE who was an UDFA, and has both VD and Walker ahead of him has contributed more in the passing game than our first round WR. You mean to tell me the play book has been any easier for him to learn? does he look totally and utterly lost?
I have also seen people bring up crabtree having a rough start to compare to Jenkins rough start. I dont agree with that at all, after crabtree ended the hold out, he came right in and looked very promising as a rookie. The next season he underwhelmed, as he did not progress as fast as alot of people myself included had hoped, but that rookie season he showed alot of promise. And while at times he did have trouble being out of position, he came right in and contributed without practicing in the offseason, or for what was it like 5 weeks? His first game he had 5 catches on 6 targets for 56 yards.
People also bring up Randy Moss as the #2 as if he has been elite or the randy of old. I like what he has brought to the table, but he has 28 catches on 51 targets for 434 yards and 3 TD's an average of 15.5, and a long of 55. In 2010, KW's rookie year, where he played 5 games, he had both Crabtree and Joshua Morgan on the roster as the seated 1 and 2. And before anyone says Moss is lightyears ahead of Morgan, in 2010, Morgan had 44 receptions on 80 targets for 698 yards and 2 TD's, an average of 15.9, and a long of 65, but yet KW found a way as a 6th rounder to get in 2 more games.
Jenkins has had all offseason, and 17 weeks of the regular season to learn the playbook, earn his spot in the rotation, and contribute when called upon. There is no question that Jenkins has been a disapointment, and is very worisome at this point.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Jan 3, 2013 at 2:14 AM ]
Jan 3, 2013 at 2:06 AM
- SaksV
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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Manningham played 12 games, including the seattle game where he went out with the injury, so really 11, and alot of those games he was banged up. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
KW played 11, if you include the NO game where he ent out with an injury. Three of those games he didnt have a catch and wasnt even targeted. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
I like both of those guys, but lets face it, for a first round pick, those guys shouldnt be the hardest to unseat, and after the injurys suffered there is no excuse for lack of production from a first rounder.
He has played three games with 1 target. He should have earned himself a spot in the rotation long before he has, and the fact that even now, he seems to be a minor part of the gameplan, and showed a lack of knowing where to lineup is extremely worisome. we are talking about a first rounder. For some perspective, KW played in 5 games his rookie season and he was a 6th round pick. He had one target and one catch for 8 yards. I expect alot more from a first round draft pick.
Hell, our third TE who was an UDFA, and has both VD and Walker ahead of him has contributed more in the passing game than our first round WR. You mean to tell me the play book has been any easier for him to learn? does he look totally and utterly lost?
I have also seen people bring up crabtree having a rough start to compare to Jenkins rough start. I dont agree with that at all, after crabtree ended the hold out, he came right in and looked very promising as a rookie. The next season he underwhelmed, as he did not progress as fast as alot of people myself included had hoped, but that rookie season he showed alot of promise. And while at times he did have trouble being out of position, he came right in and contributed without practicing in the offseason, or for what was it like 5 weeks? His first game he had 5 catches on 6 targets for 56 yards.
Jenkins has had all offseason, and 17 weeks of the regular season to learn the playbook, earn his spot in the rotation, and contribute when called upon. There is no question that Jenkins has been a disapointment, and is very worisome at this point.
You raise some very valid points. Well said.
[ Edited by SaksV on Jan 3, 2013 at 2:07 AM ]
Jan 3, 2013 at 2:19 AM
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Originally posted by SaksV:
You raise some very valid points. Well said.
I also edited (probably as you quoted me) to add in bold...
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Manningham played 12 games, including the seattle game where he went out with the injury, so really 11, and alot of those games he was banged up. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
KW played 11, if you include the NO game where he ent out with an injury. Three of those games he didnt have a catch and wasnt even targeted. Jenkins didnt fill the void.
I like both of those guys, but lets face it, for a first round pick, those guys shouldnt be the hardest to unseat, and after the injurys suffered there is no excuse for lack of production from a first rounder.
He has played three games with 1 target. He should have earned himself a spot in the rotation long before he has, and the fact that even now, he seems to be a minor part of the gameplan, and showed a lack of knowing where to lineup is extremely worisome. we are talking about a first rounder. For some perspective, KW played in 5 games his rookie season and he was a 6th round pick. He had one target and one catch for 8 yards. I expect alot more from a first round draft pick.
Hell, our third TE who was an UDFA, and has both VD and Walker ahead of him has contributed more in the passing game than our first round WR. You mean to tell me the play book has been any easier for him to learn? does he look totally and utterly lost?
I have also seen people bring up crabtree having a rough start to compare to Jenkins rough start. I dont agree with that at all, after crabtree ended the hold out, he came right in and looked very promising as a rookie. The next season he underwhelmed, as he did not progress as fast as alot of people myself included had hoped, but that rookie season he showed alot of promise. And while at times he did have trouble being out of position, he came right in and contributed without practicing in the offseason, or for what was it like 5 weeks? His first game he had 5 catches on 6 targets for 56 yards.
People also bring up Randy Moss as the #2 as if he has been elite or the randy of old. I like what he has brought to the table, but he has 28 catches on 51 targets for 434 yards and 3 TD's an average of 15.5, and a long of 55. In 2010, KW's rookie year, where he played 5 games, he had both Crabtree and Joshua Morgan on the roster as the seated 1 and 2. And before anyone says Moss is lightyears ahead of Morgan, in 2010, Morgan had 44 receptions on 80 targets for 698 yards and 2 TD's, an average of 15.9, and a long of 65, but yet KW found a way as a 6th rounder to get in 2 more games.
Jenkins has had all offseason, and 17 weeks of the regular season to learn the playbook, earn his spot in the rotation, and contribute when called upon. There is no question that Jenkins has been a disapointment, and is very worisome at this point.
Jan 3, 2013 at 2:39 AM
- 49rz4Life
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yea ........just rewatched some AJ footage. Lets give this guy some time because uh this WR core can might be opposing teams worst nightmare.
Jan 3, 2013 at 8:50 AM
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Typical Webzone.
Large servings of overreaction and hyperbole. Too much time between games, I guess. I almost wish the Niners didn't have a bye.
"AJ doesn't know the playbook", "AJ doesn't know where to line up, etc." How do you know? He was slow in responding to one change-of-play as far as I saw. He isn't the fist player to miss, or not hear, a QB's audible and have to be reminded. Haven't we all seen even veterans redirected? I've seen Gore, VD, others motioned to their proper position more than once. Many times. You can be sure that if he was a screw up, he would not be out there.
If there's anyone to fault in AJs development it should be the coaching staff. He should have had practice catching live balls in a real game well before this time. This is just p*ss poor player and roster management IMO. There's a hell of a lot I like about this coaching staff, but there is this one aspect that I cannot fathom. They did the same with LMJ. It's the college coaching/ redshirt freshmen mentality if you ask me.
The team is in trouble at the WR position and it's a problem of the coaches own making. Maybe they just don't have any offensive imagination. To me it looks that way.
Right now, we have ONE legitimate WR.
I have been absolutely underwhelmed by Moss' effort/production . He just loafs around out there . . . very little fight, stretch or full speed in him. He's a senior citizen and that's his game now. A great mentor for the young WRs, but I'm pretty sure that he's not scaring DC's on oppposing teams any more. He should be a coach; not taking up a roster spot. Get someone hungry in there.
Ginn? Well everyone now realizes that he has almost no value on this roster. The coaches don't even pretend that he's a WR any more.
Manning, too, is overrated on this site. There is a reason that the Giants made no effort to resign him . . . none. I won't even go into his short comings. Let's just say, poor stituational and field-position awareness; he's got the physical tools but lacks some upstairs. I see him no better than a #3 at best and more like a #4.
Yet the Niners let a #1 pick languish on the bench with only ONE pass thrown his way? He was so shocked, he dropped it! LOL, don't blame him ! I don't think one can say he's a bust yet, but where he was picked, he needed to get a chance before this.
The bold and underlined are overreactions and hyperbole.
We may be splitting hairs here but I believe there is a great deal of blame to fall on Harbaugh's staff for the failure to develop WRs in the passing game. Jenkins has his own thread that parses this out in multiple ways. The truth is, there are roughly three dozen rookies who have had major impact on their teams this season, and I am not just talking about Luck and Griffin. That IS on the coaches.
As to Manningham; one of the big complaints about him in NY was that in running up routes along the sidelines he allowed himself to get so close to the sideline as to make it extremely difficult for the QB to get the ball in to him. He has continued to do the same thing here. He really is nothing more than a #3. Unfortunately, the 49ers don't have a legit #2, and only in the second half of the season has Crabtree begun to look like he might actually be a #1.
I didn't expect much out of Moss this season. In fact, he surprised me by even making the team. The reality is that he has done very little. It appears the only reason he sees the field at all is the fact the WR corp is so weak that there is no one ahead of him. The speed is clearly not there any longer, and the hops he used to have no longer seem to be in his legs. There comes a time when even the great ones, and he was a GREAT one, no longer have what they used to have. Moss is at that point.
Erm . . . Thank you for clarifying.
BTW to clarify on "overreaction and hyperbole" : To make a whole case or judgement, based upon one or two plays e.g., a slow adjustment at the line of scrimmage, or a dropped pass, as "he doesn't know what he's doing out there" qualifies as "overreaction and hyperbole". A knee jerk reaction IMO.
Making a judgement, or expressing an opinion, based upon an observation over time is not an overreaction. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's an opinion, but not an unreasonable one and is one shared by many, as dj has laid out. You can disagree with it, but those are legit concerns.
Jan 3, 2013 at 8:52 AM
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Originally posted by Kronos2560:
AJ Jenkins will be our full time #2 receiver in the future with Crabtree at #1. Just give him time, this kid has potential. I see him becoming very Antonio Brown-ish for us.
also with Manningham long term
Jan 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:He didn't clarify anything. He didn't address my point, which is you calling out people for overratcing and using hyperbole, then you did the same in in the same post.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Typical Webzone.
Large servings of overreaction and hyperbole. Too much time between games, I guess. I almost wish the Niners didn't have a bye.
"AJ doesn't know the playbook", "AJ doesn't know where to line up, etc." How do you know? He was slow in responding to one change-of-play as far as I saw. He isn't the fist player to miss, or not hear, a QB's audible and have to be reminded. Haven't we all seen even veterans redirected? I've seen Gore, VD, others motioned to their proper position more than once. Many times. You can be sure that if he was a screw up, he would not be out there.
If there's anyone to fault in AJs development it should be the coaching staff. He should have had practice catching live balls in a real game well before this time. This is just p*ss poor player and roster management IMO. There's a hell of a lot I like about this coaching staff, but there is this one aspect that I cannot fathom. They did the same with LMJ. It's the college coaching/ redshirt freshmen mentality if you ask me.
The team is in trouble at the WR position and it's a problem of the coaches own making. Maybe they just don't have any offensive imagination. To me it looks that way.
Right now, we have ONE legitimate WR.
I have been absolutely underwhelmed by Moss' effort/production . He just loafs around out there . . . very little fight, stretch or full speed in him. He's a senior citizen and that's his game now. A great mentor for the young WRs, but I'm pretty sure that he's not scaring DC's on oppposing teams any more. He should be a coach; not taking up a roster spot. Get someone hungry in there.
Ginn? Well everyone now realizes that he has almost no value on this roster. The coaches don't even pretend that he's a WR any more.
Manning, too, is overrated on this site. There is a reason that the Giants made no effort to resign him . . . none. I won't even go into his short comings. Let's just say, poor stituational and field-position awareness; he's got the physical tools but lacks some upstairs. I see him no better than a #3 at best and more like a #4.
Yet the Niners let a #1 pick languish on the bench with only ONE pass thrown his way? He was so shocked, he dropped it! LOL, don't blame him ! I don't think one can say he's a bust yet, but where he was picked, he needed to get a chance before this.
The bold and underlined are overreactions and hyperbole.
We may be splitting hairs here but I believe there is a great deal of blame to fall on Harbaugh's staff for the failure to develop WRs in the passing game. Jenkins has his own thread that parses this out in multiple ways. The truth is, there are roughly three dozen rookies who have had major impact on their teams this season, and I am not just talking about Luck and Griffin. That IS on the coaches.
As to Manningham; one of the big complaints about him in NY was that in running up routes along the sidelines he allowed himself to get so close to the sideline as to make it extremely difficult for the QB to get the ball in to him. He has continued to do the same thing here. He really is nothing more than a #3. Unfortunately, the 49ers don't have a legit #2, and only in the second half of the season has Crabtree begun to look like he might actually be a #1.
I didn't expect much out of Moss this season. In fact, he surprised me by even making the team. The reality is that he has done very little. It appears the only reason he sees the field at all is the fact the WR corp is so weak that there is no one ahead of him. The speed is clearly not there any longer, and the hops he used to have no longer seem to be in his legs. There comes a time when even the great ones, and he was a GREAT one, no longer have what they used to have. Moss is at that point.
Erm . . . Thank you for clarifying.
BTW to clarify on "overreaction and hyperbole" : To make a whole case or judgement, based upon one or two plays e.g., a slow adjustment at the line of scrimmage, or a dropped pass, as "he doesn't know what he's doing out there" qualifies as "overreaction and hyperbole". A knee jerk reaction IMO.
Making a judgement, or expressing an opinion, based upon an observation over time is not an overreaction. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's an opinion, but not an unreasonable one and is one shared by many, as dj has laid out. You can disagree with it, but those are legit concerns.
Calling Moss a loafer and a senior citizen isn't hyperbole? The guy who i see blocking down field, breaking up interceptions, running past defenders in the secondary?
Saying our roster management and player management is piss poor, even though were are the #2 seed for two years in a row isn't overreacting? Yeah, they aren't perfect, but piss poor? I think you are referring to a team like the Cardinals.
I could go on, but you are entitled to your own hyperbole and overreactions or opinions just like anyone here, but you can't turn around and call other people out for doing the same thing.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Jan 3, 2013 at 12:33 PM ]
Jan 4, 2013 at 6:49 AM
- nevadalove9ers2
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He needs to show up! He has a full season now
Jan 7, 2013 at 11:43 AM
- pete98146
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I'm going to ask a silly question. Guess I just don't what goes on for a young player who is on the inactive list for 3/4 of the season. Maybe someone can educate me but can't the 49ers staff spend MAXIMUM time having the guy run routes, learn the playbook and spend time in the weight room developing his body?
Yet he comes into the game and he looks completely lost and he's still 175lbs dripping wet.
What has the Niners staff and AJ done all this time of inactivity?
Conversely, LMJ looks right at home and he's bulked up. Odd isn't it?
Yet he comes into the game and he looks completely lost and he's still 175lbs dripping wet.
What has the Niners staff and AJ done all this time of inactivity?
Conversely, LMJ looks right at home and he's bulked up. Odd isn't it?
[ Edited by pete98146 on Jan 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM ]
Jan 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM
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I'm going out on a limb and say he catches a TD this Saturday!