AJ Jenkins is a 49er

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is he active this game?

I don't think we will know until Sunday.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is he active this game?

I don't think we will know until Sunday.

i thought had to list the roster like two or three days?

i would like to see him get a couple of targets in

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is he active this game?

I don't think we will know until Sunday.

i thought had to list the roster like two or three days?

i would like to see him get a couple of targets in

IIRC, the active/inactive list doesn't become known to us/media until late Saturday or Sunday.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
IIRC, the active/inactive list doesn't become known to us/media until late Saturday or Sunday.

An hour before game time, I think.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I guess it's good for AJ to study CJ, but I really don't see the resemblance. Kaep would make more sense.

In a perfect world, Moss would make the BEST sense.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Wanted Hill or AJ over Jenkins myself, but SD is right here. A couple of our vet WRs would have had to badly flop for Jenkins to get much real action this season. Good news! They haven't... so we can perhaps go deep into the playoffs with experienced and competent WRs this time. That's good news... Hill and Jeffery are showing good moments of play because their teams need to force them into action. Maybe Jenkins would too if given the chance, but we haven't needed him to step up yet. This is not the time to be pining over which WR we drafted last April.

As I see it Baalke is drafting BPA and for the future, Because Moss won't be back (if he does good, he will command more money-who do want Nav or Moss, not to mention Dashon who the niners migh let walk so they can use the money to sign Nav. If that is the case the niners wil need the pick (which will the 32nd pick in the next draft mind you ) to be a safety-unless there are no good ones next year or at that spot. Also Manningham will be gone after 2013. So let him absorb from the veterans and get spot duties as time goes on. Remember it is a 16 game season and we only played one game, a lot can happen, a receiver or two may have to sit now and then.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
IIRC, the active/inactive list doesn't become known to us/media until late Saturday or Sunday.

An hour before game time, I think.

hour and a half

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Okay that is what I was looking for. He may not teach the tree, but that doesn't mean the player isn't really running it??? Everyone calls the words in a tree something different, but a go is still a streak, and short in is also called a drag. Crabtree ran routes that are in the tree, even if they were not calling them that. Really in the nfl it's more complex, plays depend on the defensive coverage! Crabtree might run a curl to the inside, or he might run one to outside depend on the coverage of the defense, both him and alex have to be on the same page, and know which way Crabtree will end up going, so he can put the ball on that spot.

I think Jenkins has what we're looking for, he's smooth in and out of his breaks, very good hips and change of direction and body control. Sure, he needs more power, but that is what an nfl strength program is for, remember how small Alex Smith look and how he's filled out. If he can get off the jam that is all I care about, He can be used to run a Cb out of the play like ginn, rather than try to block the Cb out of it.

Size is overrated if you don't back that up. Jerry Rice weight was 200 pounds, to small, and to slow, still became the goat. It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. A.J. got the heart.

I never implied Jenkins was not good. He is a small shifty kid who can work underneath and take the top off in need be....we hope. Can he add weight, its a possibility but some people can only add so much to their frame. I think he will get stronger by maturing more into a man but I don't see him getting much thicker. Look at guys like Desean....he may be a lil heavier but he's still "thin".

Size is not overrated, guys like Fitz, Megatron, Green, Andre Johnson, Julio, Demaryius Thomas...etc.etc. DB's are getting bigger and as such the bigger WR's are becoming a premium on beating them. That is what most if not all wanted going into the draft. A big tall kid who could thicken out a bit and out muscle defenders and go up and fight for balls. Yes we lacked speed but we also lacked a red-zone threat outsize of Vernon. We went out and got Moss who fits that mold but its nothing longer then a 2 year experiment. Once Moss goes we still need that big guy who can create that kind of damage. Yes there are small WR's who play great and beat guys but its the big guys who consistently do the damage on a weekly basis. And Hill had both the size and speed with blocking knowledge and that's why a lot of people (myself) included wanted him. If the idea was to have the pick sit, he could've sat all year and brushed up on his catching and route running skills...but still gave us that "monster" threat on the field.

We will be drafting another WR either this year or next....if we don't go with a big body I would be very surprised.

Okay Good I like what you said. We've had problem's on 3rd down, we also needed a guy who could play in the slot in the future, Manningham is on a 2 year deal. I think that's what A.J.'s future is the slot guy, guy like ginn we can run the jet play with. I think the coachs maybe have a plan to find another big wr in the 2013 draft.
Here are some possible big targets, Height order Your right I forgot about Justin, he's on Tennessee with Rogers, he's the guy who took the knee injury right?? I remember watching that game, that was against Florida. He just caught it high and blew it out. He's like baby Moss, I doubt we land him unless teams worry about the knee, or we trade up to grab him, i doubt we got the ammo, we need a future at saftey, and center!
0. Justin Hunter, Tennessee, 6-4/200 1. Marquess Wilson, Washington State, 6-4/183 2. *Keenan Allen, California, 6-3/206 3. *Da'Rick Rogers, Tennessee, 6-3/208 4. Terrance Williams, Baylor, 6-3/205 5. Keenan Davis, Iowa, 6-3/215

Fixed, Anyone of these guys I would take over Hill.

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Okay Good I like what you said. We've had problem's on 3rd down, we also needed a guy who could play in the slot in the future, Manningham is on a 2 year deal. I think that's what A.J.'s future is the slot guy, guy like ginn we can run the jet play with. I think the coachs maybe have a plan to find another big wr in the 2013 draft.
Here are some possible big targets, Height order
1. Marquess Wilson, Washington State, 6-4/183 2. *Keenan Allen, California, 6-3/206 3. *Da'Rick Rogers, Tennessee, 6-3/208 4. Terrance Williams, Baylor, 6-3/205 5. Keenan Davis, Iowa, 6-3/215

justin hunter is the best one and you forgot him

then keenen allen then i like marquess wilson

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Okay that is what I was looking for. He may not teach the tree, but that doesn't mean the player isn't really running it??? Everyone calls the words in a tree something different, but a go is still a streak, and short in is also called a drag. Crabtree ran routes that are in the tree, even if they were not calling them that. Really in the nfl it's more complex, plays depend on the defensive coverage! Crabtree might run a curl to the inside, or he might run one to outside depend on the coverage of the defense, both him and alex have to be on the same page, and know which way Crabtree will end up going, so he can put the ball on that spot.

I think Jenkins has what we're looking for, he's smooth in and out of his breaks, very good hips and change of direction and body control. Sure, he needs more power, but that is what an nfl strength program is for, remember how small Alex Smith look and how he's filled out. If he can get off the jam that is all I care about, He can be used to run a Cb out of the play like ginn, rather than try to block the Cb out of it.

Size is overrated if you don't back that up. Jerry Rice weight was 200 pounds, to small, and to slow, still became the goat. It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. A.J. got the heart.

I never implied Jenkins was not good. He is a small shifty kid who can work underneath and take the top off in need be....we hope. Can he add weight, its a possibility but some people can only add so much to their frame. I think he will get stronger by maturing more into a man but I don't see him getting much thicker. Look at guys like Desean....he may be a lil heavier but he's still "thin".

Size is not overrated, guys like Fitz, Megatron, Green, Andre Johnson, Julio, Demaryius Thomas...etc.etc. DB's are getting bigger and as such the bigger WR's are becoming a premium on beating them. That is what most if not all wanted going into the draft. A big tall kid who could thicken out a bit and out muscle defenders and go up and fight for balls. Yes we lacked speed but we also lacked a red-zone threat outsize of Vernon. We went out and got Moss who fits that mold but its nothing longer then a 2 year experiment. Once Moss goes we still need that big guy who can create that kind of damage. Yes there are small WR's who play great and beat guys but its the big guys who consistently do the damage on a weekly basis. And Hill had both the size and speed with blocking knowledge and that's why a lot of people (myself) included wanted him. If the idea was to have the pick sit, he could've sat all year and brushed up on his catching and route running skills...but still gave us that "monster" threat on the field.

We will be drafting another WR either this year or next....if we don't go with a big body I would be very surprised.

Okay Good I like what you said. We've had problem's on 3rd down, we also needed a guy who could play in the slot in the future, Manningham is on a 2 year deal. I think that's what A.J.'s future is the slot guy, guy like ginn we can run the jet play with. I think the coachs maybe have a plan to find another big wr in the 2013 draft.
Here are some possible big targets, Height order Your right I forgot about Justin, he's on Tennessee with Rogers, he's the guy who took the knee injury right?? I remember watching that game, that was against Florida. He just caught it high and blew it out. He's like baby Moss, I doubt we land him unless teams worry about the knee, or we trade up to grab him, i doubt we got the ammo, we need a future at saftey, and center!
0. Justin Hunter, Tennessee, 6-4/200 1. Marquess Wilson, Washington State, 6-4/183 2. *Keenan Allen, California, 6-3/206 3. *Da'Rick Rogers, Tennessee, 6-3/208 4. Terrance Williams, Baylor, 6-3/205 5. Keenan Davis, Iowa, 6-3/215

Fixed, Anyone of these guys I would take over Hill.

Dont see the "big" WR pick this year. Although we have the strongest D in the league I can honestly see the first 3 picks all for the D:
FS
NT
OLB
DE
........pick your poision.

Crabtree is the best option for the slot if he stays long term. AJ should be able to work the outside and free up the middle for Crabs while occasionally going in the middle. Ginn will be gone so look for his ass to be gone after the season. I would look for a possible PR/KR WR but the norm is under 6'0 and under 200....another thin kid who can hold down the 5th spot...but offer potential at WR. Drop Moss and Ginn and add that kid. 2014 we let Ham go and add the "big" kid.

Dont discount the play of Hill, even though he's not a 9er he is a player to study for future picks. Raw doesnt = bad, if he can become productive as a raw rookie with the Jets staff, we should be able to take a kid in the same mold and do better.

Ultimatly this all falls on Crabtree, I have been very critical of him but his future with us dictates a lot in the passing game. I dont think Jenkins can be a standalone #1 by himself...just like Crabs. It will take a group of guys to get the job done (unless we get very lucky with a prospect that falls). If Crabs stays long term and becomes better it will be a mix of Crabs, Jenkins, and the "big" rookie to do what we want. Each will offer a differnt look that we can exploit with matchups.

But we need to see Jenkins push to start this year. I dont buy the fact that he is just here to sit.....he needs to beat out a vet for PT. He can take a spot from Ham or even Williams, no love loss from me.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Dont see the "big" WR pick this year. Although we have the strongest D in the league I can honestly see the first 3 picks all for the D:
FS
NT
OLB
DE
........pick your poision.

Crabtree is the best option for the slot if he stays long term. AJ should be able to work the outside and free up the middle for Crabs while occasionally going in the middle. Ginn will be gone so look for his ass to be gone after the season. I would look for a possible PR/KR WR but the norm is under 6'0 and under 200....another thin kid who can hold down the 5th spot...but offer potential at WR. Drop Moss and Ginn and add that kid. 2014 we let Ham go and add the "big" kid.

Dont discount the play of Hill, even though he's not a 9er he is a player to study for future picks. Raw doesnt = bad, if he can become productive as a raw rookie with the Jets staff, we should be able to take a kid in the same mold and do better.

Ultimatly this all falls on Crabtree, I have been very critical of him but his future with us dictates a lot in the passing game. I dont think Jenkins can be a standalone #1 by himself...just like Crabs. It will take a group of guys to get the job done (unless we get very lucky with a prospect that falls). If Crabs stays long term and becomes better it will be a mix of Crabs, Jenkins, and the "big" rookie to do what we want. Each will offer a differnt look that we can exploit with matchups.

But we need to see Jenkins push to start this year. I dont buy the fact that he is just here to sit.....he needs to beat out a vet for PT. He can take a spot from Ham or even Williams, no love loss from me.

Jreff is being the voice of reason in almost every thread lately

I'd switch that OLB with an ILB but assuming Manningham excels then it wont matter how well Moss does or if he leaves because at minimum we'd be drafting a #5 WR like you are saying and right now I would say we might as well promote Nathan Palmer if he proves worth it, rather then use a pick on something so low in priorities. No reason to assume we'll be drafting a big bodied guy this year unless some blue chip player falls.

I'd have to half agree, half disagree about the raw talent comment - Yes I have faith in our coaching staff being able to out-coach the Jets in terms of developing talent but our system is much, much more complex then the Jets system. But I agree that because we are in the midst of becoming a perennial contender we are becoming a draft and develop team no matter what round we pick a player so there is no reason to shy away from raw talents like Hill.

Last season it was 2 dog race in terms of receiving, even with VD coming on strong at the end it was dead even in terms of distribution between him and Crabtree so your dead on in terms of no true lead dog existing in this system. Just as we are running by committee, we will receive in committee as well.

Now I will say here that no matter what happens with Moss I do see a possibility of us drafting a big TE like Levine Toilolo 6'8" - 260, Joseph Fauria 6'6" 250, Tyler Eifert 6'5" 250, 6'8" 260 and replacing Delanie.

I'd like to think Jenkins can take some PT from anyone this year -- no matter who it is, no reason to think he wont do his best to convince the coaches to put him on the field.

Originally posted by sfout:
Jreff is being the voice of reason in almost every thread lately

I'd switch that OLB with an ILB but assuming Manningham excels then it wont matter how well Moss does or if he leaves because at minimum we'd be drafting a #5 WR like you are saying and right now I would say we might as well promote Nathan Palmer if he proves worth it, rather then use a pick on something so low in priorities. No reason to assume we'll be drafting a big bodied guy this year unless some blue chip player falls.

I'd have to half agree, half disagree about the raw talent comment - Yes I have faith in our coaching staff being able to out-coach the Jets in terms of developing talent but our system is much, much more complex then the Jets system. But I agree that because we are in the midst of becoming a perennial contender we are becoming a draft and develop team no matter what round we pick a player so there is no reason to shy away from raw talents like Hill.

Last season it was 2 dog race in terms of receiving, even with VD coming on strong at the end it was dead even in terms of distribution between him and Crabtree so your dead on in terms of no true lead dog existing in this system. Just as we are running by committee, we will receive in committee as well.

Now I will say here that no matter what happens with Moss I do see a possibility of us drafting a big TE like Levine Toilolo 6'8" - 260, Joseph Fauria 6'6" 250, Tyler Eifert 6'5" 250, 6'8" 260 and replacing Delanie.

I'd like to think Jenkins can take some PT from anyone this year -- no matter who it is, no reason to think he wont do his best to convince the coaches to put him on the field.

The OLB/ILB question will be hard to answer until we see some signings and some more reports on the current guys. I do project an ILB to be taken between 4-6 this year unless we can retain Grant. But even if Flemming and Johnson look good I would still bit the bullet and draft another 2 this year...one early and one late.

If we are going to go after a return specialist I would do it ASAP. Ginn offers nothing as a WR..some hate that statement but its true. Although I have swallowed some of the hate on Williams I DO NOT TRUST HIM. James looks like dog s**t and he should not be an option either. I want this problem fixed going into next year and have it solved for the next 4.

I would love to find that one guy who can be a #1 no matter the supporting cast but the later you draft the harder it is to find without moving up. Some may say Crabs is that guy but the real players don't take 3 years to turn it on...it starts day 1.

I do project a TE being taken and it needs to be in the 6'4+ range and the kid must block. Celek is a nobody who can be dropped next year, Dobbs is an emergency guy who cant be looked at as a #3....not fair to him, he's a DE.

If Jenkins isn't moving up the chart by week 8 I will be disappointed. We had almost every rookie last year on the field contributing and we aren't that great at WR for him to be a static guy. First round players should be starter worthy.....if not they aren't worth the grade. Ham and Ginn offer nothing over Jenkins IMO and he should be taking playing time away from them very soon.

I trust Trent but so far he hasn't been great in scouting WR's and I will call him out on that:
RoJo in the draft
Edwards
Swain
Hastings

Ham...jury is out
Moss.....HOF guy, more like a duh he can play pick
and a #1 pick (Jenkins) who is on the bottom of the depth chart

If there is anything I can see that the brain trust has missed on its the WR position...something we CANT MISS ON going forward.


Before I get flamed....I think Jenkins will be a very good player, I just want to see him move up that chart and play on Sunday!!!

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
IIRC, the active/inactive list doesn't become known to us/media until late Saturday or Sunday.

An hour before game time, I think.

hour and a half

::snuggles::

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Dont see the "big" WR pick this year. Although we have the strongest D in the league I can honestly see the first 3 picks all for the D:
FS
NT
OLB
DE
........pick your poision.

Crabtree is the best option for the slot if he stays long term. AJ should be able to work the outside and free up the middle for Crabs while occasionally going in the middle. Ginn will be gone so look for his ass to be gone after the season. I would look for a possible PR/KR WR but the norm is under 6'0 and under 200....another thin kid who can hold down the 5th spot...but offer potential at WR. Drop Moss and Ginn and add that kid. 2014 we let Ham go and add the "big" kid.

Dont discount the play of Hill, even though he's not a 9er he is a player to study for future picks. Raw doesnt = bad, if he can become productive as a raw rookie with the Jets staff, we should be able to take a kid in the same mold and do better.

Ultimatly this all falls on Crabtree, I have been very critical of him but his future with us dictates a lot in the passing game. I dont think Jenkins can be a standalone #1 by himself...just like Crabs. It will take a group of guys to get the job done (unless we get very lucky with a prospect that falls). If Crabs stays long term and becomes better it will be a mix of Crabs, Jenkins, and the "big" rookie to do what we want. Each will offer a differnt look that we can exploit with matchups.

But we need to see Jenkins push to start this year. I dont buy the fact that he is just here to sit.....he needs to beat out a vet for PT. He can take a spot from Ham or even Williams, no love loss from me.

Jreff is being the voice of reason in almost every thread lately

I'd switch that OLB with an ILB but assuming Manningham excels then it wont matter how well Moss does or if he leaves because at minimum we'd be drafting a #5 WR like you are saying and right now I would say we might as well promote Nathan Palmer if he proves worth it, rather then use a pick on something so low in priorities. No reason to assume we'll be drafting a big bodied guy this year unless some blue chip player falls.

I'd have to half agree, half disagree about the raw talent comment - Yes I have faith in our coaching staff being able to out-coach the Jets in terms of developing talent but our system is much, much more complex then the Jets system. But I agree that because we are in the midst of becoming a perennial contender we are becoming a draft and develop team no matter what round we pick a player so there is no reason to shy away from raw talents like Hill.

Last season it was 2 dog race in terms of receiving, even with VD coming on strong at the end it was dead even in terms of distribution between him and Crabtree so your dead on in terms of no true lead dog existing in this system. Just as we are running by committee, we will receive in committee as well.

Now I will say here that no matter what happens with Moss I do see a possibility of us drafting a big TE like Levine Toilolo 6'8" - 260, Joseph Fauria 6'6" 250, Tyler Eifert 6'5" 250, 6'8" 260 and replacing Delanie.

I'd like to think Jenkins can take some PT from anyone this year -- no matter who it is, no reason to think he wont do his best to convince the coaches to put him on the field.

I'd like williams gone, but he's really the only guy outside of Ginn I sort of trust to be the punt man. Maybe LM will take over punt duties one day. I like nathan palmer a lot glad we got him on P.S. Big Fast Target, hopefully coach's can get the most out of that man. I think that's a reason why we didn't take Hill, because Trent thought we could get a raw guy with size and speed after the draft. Moss will stay unless he get's a ring, than he will hang it up for good. Delanie can walk, He gets open and does block well, but he's got the drops, and when you force Alex to throw a pick, by hitting it back up in the air, with woodson right by, you can go.

I think will try and keep Moss, Tag Goldson this offseason, resign Issac, and RJF maybe draft a Dt if we think Issac isn't worth keeping, hopefully keep Larry Grant, otherwise I see us going ILB before OLB, that would give us some leverage to get bowman signed. That way we have more room to take the BPA and don't get forced into taking a saftey like taylor mays again. We can than Groom the saftey give him reps, build up the kids ego, and not hurt the back half of the defense by forcing a rookie in. But I agree I think we will focus on the defense in the draft, The only spot on offense that needs youth is center at this point. The defense is getting old in spots like Justin, and Issac is about 30 himself.

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
I'd like williams gone, but he's really the only guy outside of Ginn I sort of trust to be the punt man. Maybe LM will take over punt duties one day. I like nathan palmer a lot glad we got him on P.S. Big Fast Target, hopefully coach's can get the most out of that man. I think that's a reason why we didn't take Hill, because Trent thought we could get a raw guy with size and speed after the draft. Moss will stay unless he get's a ring, than he will hang it up for good. Delanie can walk, He gets open and does block well, but he's got the drops, and when you force Alex to throw a pick, by hitting it back up in the air, with woodson right by, you can go. I think will try and keep Moss, Tag Goldson this offseason, resign Issac, and RJF, hopefully Larry Grant. That way we have more room to take the BPA and don't get forced into taking a saftey like taylor mays again. We can than Groom the saftey give him reps, build up the kids ego, and not hurt the back half of the defense by forcing a rookie in.

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