Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by danimal:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by danimal:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by danimal:
this is based on their tangible success since the 1966 season, basically the beginning of the Super Bowl era. With the Green Bay win I figured now was a good time to make a historical analysis. This is not strictly on the hardware taken home, obviously because Pittsburgh is not #1 in my eyes.
I may have gotten some of the Franchise transition to different cities or names wrong.
Dallas Cowboys
Pittsburgh Steelers
San Francisco 49ers
Oakland-Los Angeles Raiders
Minnesota Vikings
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
Green Bay Packers
St.Louis-Los Angeles Rams
Denver Broncos
Washington Redskins
New York Giants
Baltimore Ravens-Colts
Chicago Bears
Buffalo Bills
Philadelphia Eagles
Indianapolis Colts
Cleveland Browns
Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets
Tennessee Titans-Houston Oilers
San Diego Chargers
Cincinnati Bengals
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Seattle Seahawks
New Orleans Saints
Atlanta Falcons
Arizona-St.Louis Cardinals
Carolina Panthers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Detroit Lions
Houston Texans
You did get 1 franchise wrong that moved. Baltimore Ravens were the Cleveland Browns - not the Colts.
OK.. here are a few of my thoughts:
1) Minnesota #5? How can they be that high when they have never won a title? 4 Superbowls and not 1 win.
2) Detroit should be dead last. The only franchise that has been in existence since the SB days that has not been in 1 SB. This has been a sorry franchise.
3) Green Bay #7? LOL You could make a point that they should be #1.
My top 10 (ok.. not just since 1966 but all time)
1) Green Bay Packers - 4 SBs wins and 6 appearances. PLUS - they were the dominant team in football before the SB era.
2) Pittsburgh Steelers - 6 SB wins. Dominant team in 2 different decades
3) Dallas Cowboys - barely ahead of Niners.
4) SF Niners - if you asked this question in 1995 I would have had them #1 or #2
5) New England - 6 SBs, 3 Wins, and 1 undefeated reg season.
6) Oak-LA Raiders - toss up with NE.
7) NY Giants - 3 SB wins
8) Washington Redskins - 3 SB wins - flip a coin with NY Giants for 7-8
9) Baltimore - Indy Colts - 2 SB wins but a powerhouse pre SB days
10) Denver - back to back SB's and 6 appearances gets them ahead of Miami
lots of good points here. Just to reiterate though, my rankings is for the Super Bowl era only, but as far as All Time is concerned your list looks pretty solid to me.
I am well aware that the Super Bowl 1 and 2 was actually the tail end of Lombardi's Packers dominance
Even if the list was just from 1966 there would be little I would change from my top 10. I would drop GB to #4 and move Pitt, Dallas, and SF up 1 spot. Everything else would stay the same.
Minnesota is the most glaring overrated franchise on your list. They simply should not be a top 10 franchise and certainly not #5. I'd say the Rams at #9 is also a stretch. Yes they had a nice stretch with Warner and Marshall but this team has only won 1 title and has had some bad years. Not enough for top 10.
What do you think I should do with Divisional titles?
If you see my convo with Sjceruti, you will see it is the Divisional titles that can me misleading here.
While the Vikings were earning 1 point a season the Packers were earning none.
While the Rams were earning 1 point a season the Niners were earning none.
If I removed divisonal title earnings than the list would look like something people are expecting, but is it really fair or right to not give some prestige points when a Franchise wins their division??
I guess you really need to ask yourself... is the Minnesota Vikings franchise REALLY better than the Packers? 4 Superbowl Wins to None. Superbowl wins in 3 different eras. The Vikings havent been to a SB in 35 years or more.
In my opinion you are weighing a division title much too highly and not weighing a world title highly enough.
My answer would be, the Packers are better.
But I would prefer to change the parameters as opposed to me making manual swaps.
I will try reducing the divisional by .5 and increasing the world title by .5....see what that does
