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  • Jcool
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Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.
If Harbaugh/Baalke grade Gabbert really well, how high would we have to move up to get him? And what would we have to sacrifice, in terms of picks (because that seems to be the only bargaining chip unless the CBA is passed by then)?
From the little I have seen his pocket presence is what scares me the most. Way to similar to another #11 we all know. Im not sure how much of that you can actually change either.

But like every other Qb in this draft if Jim thinks differently I will default to his knowledge on the subject.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

1.) You're the guy who believes Ricky Stanzi is the best player in the draft. You have ZERO credibility in the "homer" dept.
2.) I don't care if we take Gabbert or not; I want people to look objectively at things (something you're completely incapable of)
3.) Show me where I "defend" Alex Smith. I don't even like him. He's not as horrible as people claim, but I certainly dont want him
4.) That said, your coach seems to like AS, so apparently there's something more than just raw numbers that catches a coaches eye
5.) Manning is a first ballot HOF and even HE couldn't maintain his YPA or passer rating with the lesser talent he had to work with this year
6.) Point being, you have to take into consideration the changes in personnel and not just look at raw numbers (good or bad) to make an evaluation
7.) Specifically, Missouri took more downfield shots in 2009 because they had the talent to do so, thus the big numbers overall for Gabbert. They took less shots downfield and went to a more conservative/short passing game in 2010 because they had no vertical threats or explosive players (and you'd know this if you watched the games, as opposed to a few YouTube videos), thus the increase in completion percentage and decrease in TD passes/explosive plays
8.) That's not being a homer. That's called "objectivity." Look it up.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Mar 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

1.) You're the guy who believes Ricky Stanzi is the best player in the draft. You have ZERO credibility in the "homer" dept.
2.) I don't care if we take Gabbert or not; I want people to look objectively at things (something you're completely incapable of)
3.) Show me where I "defend" Alex Smith. I don't even like him. He's not as horrible as people claim, but I certainly dont want him
4.) That said, your coach seems to like AS, so apparently there's something more than just raw numbers that catches a coaches eye
5.) Manning is a first ballot HOF and even HE couldn't maintain his YPA or passer rating with the lesser talent he had to work with this year
6.) Point being, you have to take into consideration the changes in personnel and not just look at raw numbers (good or bad) to make an evaluation
7.) Specifically, Missouri took more downfield shots in 2009 because they had the talent to do so, thus the big numbers overall for Gabbert. They took less shots downfield and went to a more conservative/short passing game in 2010 because they had no vertical threats or explosive players (and you'd know this if you watched the games, as opposed to a few YouTube videos), thus the increase in completion percentage and decrease in TD passes/explosive plays
8.) That's not being a homer. That's called "objectivity." Look it up.

For someone that claims their objective you sure don't have anything negative to say about Gabbert.
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

1.) You're the guy who believes Ricky Stanzi is the best player in the draft. You have ZERO credibility in the "homer" dept.
2.) I don't care if we take Gabbert or not; I want people to look objectively at things (something you're completely incapable of)
3.) Show me where I "defend" Alex Smith. I don't even like him. He's not as horrible as people claim, but I certainly dont want him
4.) That said, your coach seems to like AS, so apparently there's something more than just raw numbers that catches a coaches eye
5.) Manning is a first ballot HOF and even HE couldn't maintain his YPA or passer rating with the lesser talent he had to work with this year
6.) Point being, you have to take into consideration the changes in personnel and not just look at raw numbers (good or bad) to make an evaluation
7.) Specifically, Missouri took more downfield shots in 2009 because they had the talent to do so, thus the big numbers overall for Gabbert. They took less shots downfield and went to a more conservative/short passing game in 2010 because they had no vertical threats or explosive players (and you'd know this if you watched the games, as opposed to a few YouTube videos), thus the increase in completion percentage and decrease in TD passes/explosive plays
8.) That's not being a homer. That's called "objectivity." Look it up.

For someone that claims their objective you sure don't have anything negative to say about Gabbert.

His negative aspects are obvious to me and others:

1.) Spread offense/zone read system will hurt his transition (one look and go/throw)
2.) Doesn't throw a great deep ball (not enough arch; too straight of a trajectory)
3.) Doesn't sit tall in the pocket and let plays develop downfield; bails too quickly
4.) Terrible games against top competition in 2010 (Oklahoma being the exception)
5.) Not even close to leading an NFL pro team/running a pro-style offense
6.) Would probably be a mid-to-late 1st rounder next year; bumped due to need this year
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Mar 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

1.) You're the guy who believes Ricky Stanzi is the best player in the draft. You have ZERO credibility in the "homer" dept.
2.) I don't care if we take Gabbert or not; I want people to look objectively at things (something you're completely incapable of)
3.) Show me where I "defend" Alex Smith. I don't even like him. He's not as horrible as people claim, but I certainly dont want him
4.) That said, your coach seems to like AS, so apparently there's something more than just raw numbers that catches a coaches eye
5.) Manning is a first ballot HOF and even HE couldn't maintain his YPA or passer rating with the lesser talent he had to work with this year
6.) Point being, you have to take into consideration the changes in personnel and not just look at raw numbers (good or bad) to make an evaluation
7.) Specifically, Missouri took more downfield shots in 2009 because they had the talent to do so, thus the big numbers overall for Gabbert. They took less shots downfield and went to a more conservative/short passing game in 2010 because they had no vertical threats or explosive players (and you'd know this if you watched the games, as opposed to a few YouTube videos), thus the increase in completion percentage and decrease in TD passes/explosive plays
8.) That's not being a homer. That's called "objectivity." Look it up.

For someone that claims their objective you sure don't have anything negative to say about Gabbert.

His negative aspects are obvious to me and others:

1.) Spread offense/zone read system will hurt his transition (one look and go/throw)
2.) Doesn't throw a great deep ball (not enough arch; too straight of a trajectory)
3.) Doesn't sit tall in the pocket and let plays develop downfield; bails too quickly
4.) Terrible games against top competition in 2010 (Oklahoma being the exception)
5.) Not even close to leading an NFL pro team/running a pro-style offense
6.) Would probably be a mid-to-late 1st rounder next year; bumped due to need this year

Do you think he's a franchise qb?
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

1.) You're the guy who believes Ricky Stanzi is the best player in the draft. You have ZERO credibility in the "homer" dept.
2.) I don't care if we take Gabbert or not; I want people to look objectively at things (something you're completely incapable of)
3.) Show me where I "defend" Alex Smith. I don't even like him. He's not as horrible as people claim, but I certainly dont want him
4.) That said, your coach seems to like AS, so apparently there's something more than just raw numbers that catches a coaches eye
5.) Manning is a first ballot HOF and even HE couldn't maintain his YPA or passer rating with the lesser talent he had to work with this year
6.) Point being, you have to take into consideration the changes in personnel and not just look at raw numbers (good or bad) to make an evaluation
7.) Specifically, Missouri took more downfield shots in 2009 because they had the talent to do so, thus the big numbers overall for Gabbert. They took less shots downfield and went to a more conservative/short passing game in 2010 because they had no vertical threats or explosive players (and you'd know this if you watched the games, as opposed to a few YouTube videos), thus the increase in completion percentage and decrease in TD passes/explosive plays
8.) That's not being a homer. That's called "objectivity." Look it up.

For someone that claims their objective you sure don't have anything negative to say about Gabbert.

His negative aspects are obvious to me and others:

1.) Spread offense/zone read system will hurt his transition (one look and go/throw)
2.) Doesn't throw a great deep ball (not enough arch; too straight of a trajectory)
3.) Doesn't sit tall in the pocket and let plays develop downfield; bails too quickly
4.) Terrible games against top competition in 2010 (Oklahoma being the exception)
5.) Not even close to leading an NFL pro team/running a pro-style offense
6.) Would probably be a mid-to-late 1st rounder next year; bumped due to need this year

Do you think he's a franchise qb?

No. But I don't think Christian Ponder is either (at least I don't project them as franchise QBs at first glance). That said, I like both as WC quarterbacks and believe they both COULD be franchise QBs under the tutelage of Jim Harbaugh.

Most would give BG the nod because he has better measurables (bigger, stronger and a little faster/agile, though not by much, and displays a stronger arm). Gabbert has also been pretty durable (hasn't missed a game in his 2 years as a starter) in comparison to Ponder and his injury history. I personally don't think Ponder's injury issues are problematic, but they are a factor to people who evaluate QBs.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Mar 1, 2011 at 11:26 AM ]
I don't want Gabby with the 7th pick, at fifteen maybe. Didn't Harbaugh try to reqruit him to Stanford the same time he got Luck? Gab has been working out with Terry Shea, the same QB instructor who worked with Bradford.

Point is, not with the 7th pick, If we had the 15th-17th then I would be okay with it. while no pick is 100% certain you want to try to achieve that as much as possible. Any pick that reaches the pro bowl 3-5 times in his career is a great 1rst round pick.
  • Chief
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He is # 6 on my top 7 board and the only QB, so I will be happy if we draft him.

But, if we pass up on one of the top two DB's or OLB passrushers I will be pissed.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by Mad49er:
A MUST READ ARTICLE. Posted half of it but read the entire thing.

Made for this: Blaine Gabbert has spent years preparing for the NFL



Quote:
Gabbert was 13 years old when he met Coach Hammer, a man with one name — it’s just Hammer — at a fitness and sports training center in suburban St. Louis, a 20-minute drive from the Gabbert home.

Tall and strong for an eighth-grader, Blaine was aware of what Hammer had done for his uncle, Scott Gabbert, helping turn him from a skinny high schooler into a standout quarterback at Southern Illinois. When Blaine’s parents, Chuck and Bev, asked their eldest son — by then something of a middle school star in football and baseball — if he wanted to give HammerBodies a try, the boy knew they already knew his answer.

He enjoyed riding his bike through their neighborhood with his adoring friends, but sports had been his passion. He’d given up select soccer in fifth grade to try football and almost immediately been made the starting quarterback of a sixth-grade team. “We were winning by 50 points week in and week out,” Gabbert says. “We threw the deep ball a lot because a lot of the teams couldn’t cover it. It was a blast. Those are some of the best memories I have.”

Gabbert’s running back was his best friend, Steve May. A year older than Gabbert, May — now a fourth-year cadet and starting third baseman at West Point, and the younger brother of Royals catcher Lucas May — recalls Gabbert “dropping 40-,50-yard bombs when nobody else could throw the ball. We all knew he was destined for great things. He could’ve played any sport and done whatever he wanted.”

What Gabbert wanted was to compete and win forever. At HammerBodies, he “went about his business like a collegiate athlete, a professional athlete, and here he was 13, 14 years old,” Hammer says. “He was very advanced, very intense and very focused — you could tell he was headed for some big-time athleticism...”

Quote:

Gabbert, 21, was a five-star recruit coming out of Parkway West High School in 2008, rated by Rivals.com as the No. 1 pro-style quarterback in the nation. So it was a little curious when — having decommitted from Nebraska just before Bill Callahan was fired — he elected to go run the spread offense at Missouri, where he started as a sophomore and junior before declaring a year early for the draft.

That offense raises a red flag, as it does — for good reason — with all spread quarterbacks, thus the concerns raised by some draft analysts that Gabbert has too much to learn to be considered a safe first-round pick.

What the analysts might not know is that Gabbert, from the age of 15, has been tutored in pro-style passing by a personal quarterback coach named Skip Stitzell.

A 61-year-old who never played past high school, Stitzell has been a regular on the major quarterback camp circuit, working with prospects such as Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and, on an extensive basis, Josh Freeman.

When Gabbert was in high school, Stitzell often drove the 100-plus miles from his home north of Columbia, Mo., for training sessions with Gabbert at Hammer’s facility. During Gabbert’s college years, he spent hundreds of hours — during nonpractice periods for the Tigers — on Stitzell’s home turf a half-hour from campus in tiny Fayette.

“He was always working on three-step, five-step and some seven-step drops from under center,” Stitzell says. “We were keeping him in position for the NFL. Some of these (spread) guys, they go five years of college without doing any of it. Blaine is very good with mechanics, very good with footwork. He’s got an NFL-style arm, can make all the throws, has the size and athleticism. And then there’s the best part: his mentality, his drive, his focus. Nobody wants this more than Blaine.”

Former NFL offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Terry Shea has schooled first-round hopefuls the past few years for the Creative Artists Agency, which represents Gabbert, Freeman, Stafford and Sam Bradford.

According to Shea, Gabbert “looks so fluid in his dropback mechanics right now from under center, you almost say he couldn’t have been in the shotgun. We’ve polished him up some, but he had a very good level of fundamentals already in place...”

Quote:
Mizzou teammate Aldon Smith, a defensive end also projected as a first-rounder this year, describes him as “a leader who was not afraid of anybody or anything.” Hammer calls him “the ship’s captain — he’s going to take control.”

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-28/made-for-this-blaine-gabbert-has-spent-years-preparing-for-the-nfl

This makes me like him LESS.

All this life long advanced training and he only posted a 16:9 TD to INT ratio? Yikes.

Exactly. Lots to like about Gabbert, but if he's as such a brilliant pro prospect, how come he didn't destroy Big XII defenses?

Look at the production from 2009 when he actually had playmakers, to the difference in talent this past year. Some people like Swag will just dismiss it, because when he doesn't like someone, he turns it into a personal thing and won't look at it objectively.

If you look at the talent around Gabbert from 2009 to 2010 from an objective standpoint, you'll get a better understanding of why the big production numbers dropped.

The talent around him is the reason his numbers suffered? Sounds like "excuses" made about another QB coming from a spread (who actually won big games in college) that so many here grew to hate.

Again, I have not seem him play much. But of what I've seen, I've been wowed.
And no "wow" factor and unimpressive numbers are being ignored in his case, when they will probably push Locker (who actually played in a pro style offense) potentially out of the first round.

I just don't get it.
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Great now we are going down this road again? His numbers fell off because talent got worse? Never the QB's fault it is always someone else?

Yah, we can just stick our heads in the sand and just assume a kid sucks because his TD passes dropped from one year to the next...even though his completion percentage increased greatly and he threw roughly the same amount of passes as he did the year before. He completed more in 2010, but they weren't explosive plays. Yup, that's all on the QB and has nothing to do with losing his big play WRs.



Take a look at the yards per completion this year from Peyton Manning compared to what he's done his entire career. Manning had the worst YPA numbers since his rookie year (a full yard less than the previous year....6.9 this year, 7.9 the previous year) and one of the worst passer ratings he's had since the early 2000's...was that on Manning? Does he all of a sudden suck, or did the loss of key playmakers for most of 2010 have a little something to do with those numbers?

Just asking you to think a little bit...just a tiny bit.

C'mon man. You can't be that big of a homer. The stats match what you see on the field. Unimpressive. Don't give me the "losing big play wrs". That's an excuse. You use that excuse when defending Alex Smith? You play in the shotgun spread vs the Big 12 weak defenses. Put up some big numbers. His completion percentage is inflated because 1/3 of his passes are bubble screens.

Peyton Manning makes guys like Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, ETC look like Pro Bowlers....In a "down year". If Gabbert is anywhere near a franchise qb he should place the ball accurately enough to make his wr's better. He doesn't. Because he's not a franchise qb.

That's it right there.
Originally posted by Papa_bear_21:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by Mad49er:
A MUST READ ARTICLE. Posted half of it but read the entire thing.

Made for this: Blaine Gabbert has spent years preparing for the NFL



Quote:
Gabbert was 13 years old when he met Coach Hammer, a man with one name — it’s just Hammer — at a fitness and sports training center in suburban St. Louis, a 20-minute drive from the Gabbert home.

Tall and strong for an eighth-grader, Blaine was aware of what Hammer had done for his uncle, Scott Gabbert, helping turn him from a skinny high schooler into a standout quarterback at Southern Illinois. When Blaine’s parents, Chuck and Bev, asked their eldest son — by then something of a middle school star in football and baseball — if he wanted to give HammerBodies a try, the boy knew they already knew his answer.

He enjoyed riding his bike through their neighborhood with his adoring friends, but sports had been his passion. He’d given up select soccer in fifth grade to try football and almost immediately been made the starting quarterback of a sixth-grade team. “We were winning by 50 points week in and week out,” Gabbert says. “We threw the deep ball a lot because a lot of the teams couldn’t cover it. It was a blast. Those are some of the best memories I have.”

Gabbert’s running back was his best friend, Steve May. A year older than Gabbert, May — now a fourth-year cadet and starting third baseman at West Point, and the younger brother of Royals catcher Lucas May — recalls Gabbert “dropping 40-,50-yard bombs when nobody else could throw the ball. We all knew he was destined for great things. He could’ve played any sport and done whatever he wanted.”

What Gabbert wanted was to compete and win forever. At HammerBodies, he “went about his business like a collegiate athlete, a professional athlete, and here he was 13, 14 years old,” Hammer says. “He was very advanced, very intense and very focused — you could tell he was headed for some big-time athleticism...”

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Gabbert, 21, was a five-star recruit coming out of Parkway West High School in 2008, rated by Rivals.com as the No. 1 pro-style quarterback in the nation. So it was a little curious when — having decommitted from Nebraska just before Bill Callahan was fired — he elected to go run the spread offense at Missouri, where he started as a sophomore and junior before declaring a year early for the draft.

That offense raises a red flag, as it does — for good reason — with all spread quarterbacks, thus the concerns raised by some draft analysts that Gabbert has too much to learn to be considered a safe first-round pick.

What the analysts might not know is that Gabbert, from the age of 15, has been tutored in pro-style passing by a personal quarterback coach named Skip Stitzell.

A 61-year-old who never played past high school, Stitzell has been a regular on the major quarterback camp circuit, working with prospects such as Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and, on an extensive basis, Josh Freeman.

When Gabbert was in high school, Stitzell often drove the 100-plus miles from his home north of Columbia, Mo., for training sessions with Gabbert at Hammer’s facility. During Gabbert’s college years, he spent hundreds of hours — during nonpractice periods for the Tigers — on Stitzell’s home turf a half-hour from campus in tiny Fayette.

“He was always working on three-step, five-step and some seven-step drops from under center,” Stitzell says. “We were keeping him in position for the NFL. Some of these (spread) guys, they go five years of college without doing any of it. Blaine is very good with mechanics, very good with footwork. He’s got an NFL-style arm, can make all the throws, has the size and athleticism. And then there’s the best part: his mentality, his drive, his focus. Nobody wants this more than Blaine.”

Former NFL offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Terry Shea has schooled first-round hopefuls the past few years for the Creative Artists Agency, which represents Gabbert, Freeman, Stafford and Sam Bradford.

According to Shea, Gabbert “looks so fluid in his dropback mechanics right now from under center, you almost say he couldn’t have been in the shotgun. We’ve polished him up some, but he had a very good level of fundamentals already in place...”

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Mizzou teammate Aldon Smith, a defensive end also projected as a first-rounder this year, describes him as “a leader who was not afraid of anybody or anything.” Hammer calls him “the ship’s captain — he’s going to take control.”

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-28/made-for-this-blaine-gabbert-has-spent-years-preparing-for-the-nfl

This makes me like him LESS.

All this life long advanced training and he only posted a 16:9 TD to INT ratio? Yikes.

Exactly. Lots to like about Gabbert, but if he's as such a brilliant pro prospect, how come he didn't destroy Big XII defenses?

Look at the production from 2009 when he actually had playmakers, to the difference in talent this past year. Some people like Swag will just dismiss it, because when he doesn't like someone, he turns it into a personal thing and won't look at it objectively.

If you look at the talent around Gabbert from 2009 to 2010 from an objective standpoint, you'll get a better understanding of why the big production numbers dropped.

The talent around him is the reason his numbers suffered? Sounds like "excuses" made about another QB coming from a spread (who actually won big games in college) that so many here grew to hate.

Again, I have not seem him play much. But of what I've seen, I've been wowed.
And no "wow" factor and unimpressive numbers are being ignored in his case, when they will probably push Locker (who actually played in a pro style offense) potentially out of the first round.

I just don't get it.

So let's look at the numbers that "suffered."

In 2009 as a true soph with big-play senior WRs Denario Alexander and Jared Perry:
~Gabbert was 15th nationally in TD passes
~7th nationally in yards passing
~Tied for 19th nationally in yards per attempt
~Big 12 leader in yards per attempt (8.1) in a passing conference
~2nd in passer rating behind only Colt McCoy in the conference
~2nd in yards passing, 4th in TD passes in the conference
~comp % of 58.9, which was only good for 7th in the conference
~Alexander led the Big 12 in receiving yards
~Perry/Alexander were both in the top 7 in their conference in terms of YPC
~Both were top 10 in terms of TD receptions

In 2009 as a true soph WITHOUT big-play senior WRs Denario Alexander and Jared Perry:
~Gabbert's comp% went up to nearly 64% after throwing nearly 25 more passes than the previous year
~But the TD pass numbers, passing yards and yards per attempt were all down

So he was more efficient in 2010, but didn't have big numbers. Is that because he just sucks, or is there some other explanation for the drop-off in TD passes, passing yards and yards per attempt?

Some will say, "he just sucks." That's fine.

Others who saw him play a lot the last few years, might say, "Missouri didn't throw the ball downfield as much in 2010 because their WR corps were both young and not very explosive in comparison to what they had in 2009. They relied more on bubble screens, short crossing routes and check-downs.

But if you just want to say it's because the guy sucks and is no good or whatever, that's fine. Other people might look a little deeper into the situation.