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Head Coach options for the 49ers in 2011: Who do you like and why?

Head Coach options for the 49ers in 2011: Who do you like and why?

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by NewEraNiner:
Great read on Harbaugh.

I want this guy to coach the Niners!



College coaches make me nervous.

Yeah, Stanford coaches never really work out in the NFL. Didn't we get a Stanford coach sometimes in the late 70's? How'd he turn out?

you are right: if we hire Harbaugh, it will turn out exactly the same!
I have to admit that after doings some research, Harbaugh is a pretty interesting option. Reasons:

1) He KNOWS football. I like Sing, but his over reliance on his coordinators is a glaring issue. It never made much sense to me that a HC that doesn't know much about calling plays on offense is dictating "what he wants" to the coord. With Harbaugh, this wouldn't be an issue at all. He could install his system and if (for whatever reason) it doesn't work out with the o-coord, we wouldn't have to change anything.

Consistency, consistency, consistency. And did I mention consistency?

2) He's an ex-player. Again, his resume reads as being very QB friendly which we need because we haven't had a competent QB since Garcia left. And him being a former first round pick, I'm sure he could teach whatever QB we draft a thing or two about adjusting to the NFL.

3) He's a Stanford product. I'm just working the feel-good-story-angle here but we all know what happened the last time we hired a HC out of Stanford. Not implying in any way that he'll even be half as good as Walsh (hopefully so) but hey at least the media would yuck it up.

And the good press could work to our benefit with a new stadium on the horizon.

4) Attitude. He's not known for his speeches, but for demanding hard work and more importantly TEAMWORK out of his players.

Pair that with the following offseason moves:

-Cut Alex Smith, Carr, and draft a QB (Luck?).
-Sign the best available veteran QB for the rookie to sit and learn behind.
-After QB, target a pass rushing OLB early in the draft that can come in and start, and possibly a NT if we can't get Franklin locked up.

.....and we'll have a winner for years to come.
[ Edited by baltien on Oct 4, 2010 at 6:20 AM ]
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Originally posted by baltien:
-KNOWS football. I like Sing, but his over reliance on his coordinators is a pretty glaring issue. It never made much sense to me that a HC who knows jack about calling plays on offense is dictating "what he wants" to the coord. With Harbaugh, this wouldn't be an issue at all. He could install his system and if (for whatever reason) it doesn't work out with the o-coord, we wouldn't have to change anything.

Sing knows football as well as Harbaugh does, they are both former players. How do we know what Harbaugh knows about calling plays on D ? No different than Sing calling plays on offense. Both have zero experience as coordinators, just as players and position coaches. Your point offers no factual evidence that Harbaugh would be any better of an option than Sing.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by baltien:
-KNOWS football. I like Sing, but his over reliance on his coordinators is a pretty glaring issue. It never made much sense to me that a HC who knows jack about calling plays on offense is dictating "what he wants" to the coord. With Harbaugh, this wouldn't be an issue at all. He could install his system and if (for whatever reason) it doesn't work out with the o-coord, we wouldn't have to change anything.

Sing knows football as well as Harbaugh does, they are both former players. How do we know what Harbaugh knows about calling plays on D ? No different than Sing calling plays on offense. Both have zero experience as coordinators, just as players and position coaches. Your point offers no factual evidence that Harbaugh would be any better of an option than Sing.

I never said that he knew about calling plays on D. His entire playing and coaching career has been on Offense. I don't know about you, but I'd feel a lot better about Harbaugh coming in and keeping Manusky than Sing continue the carousel that has been our Offensive Coordinator position.

At this point I don't see how anyone can deny that our HC having no experience on Offense is seriously hurting this team.
[ Edited by baltien on Oct 4, 2010 at 6:26 AM ]
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by NewEraNiner:
Great read on Harbaugh.

I want this guy to coach the Niners!



College coaches make me nervous.

Yeah, Stanford coaches never really work out in the NFL. Didn't we get a Stanford coach sometimes in the late 70's? How'd he turn out?

you are right: if we hire Harbaugh, it will turn out exactly the same!

Just saying that fearing college coaches isn't a good idea. If Eddie D. feared college coaches we wouldn't have a superbowl trophy to our name.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by baltien:
-KNOWS football. I like Sing, but his over reliance on his coordinators is a pretty glaring issue. It never made much sense to me that a HC who knows jack about calling plays on offense is dictating "what he wants" to the coord. With Harbaugh, this wouldn't be an issue at all. He could install his system and if (for whatever reason) it doesn't work out with the o-coord, we wouldn't have to change anything.

Sing knows football as well as Harbaugh does, they are both former players. How do we know what Harbaugh knows about calling plays on D ? No different than Sing calling plays on offense. Both have zero experience as coordinators, just as players and position coaches. Your point offers no factual evidence that Harbaugh would be any better of an option than Sing.

I'm curious, who are you pinning for? Gruden?

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Marc Trestman

"Marc is one of the most capable and knowledgeable coaches in the game!" - Bill Walsh

"I think he's like Bill Walsh, because he's one of those guys that you want to go out and lay it on the line for. He is totally committed, and players are going to want to play for a guy like that!" - Jerry Rice

"The thing I like about Marc is his aggressiveness. I feel like he's always in attack mode, and as players, we respond to that." - Rich Gannon

"I think he is one of the most creative minds in football, and he probably isn't getting enough credit for what he has done as an offensive strategist in the NFL." - John Gruden

Since we will need a QB here is him talking about that:

Quote:
EVALUATING A QB’S ABILITY TO PLAY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL:

I have been very lucky to have worked with some of the game’s best coaches and with many outstanding pro personnel and scouting experts. They have been incredibly helpful in establishing a philosophy as it relates to evaluating talent. My passion has always been the QB position. A position so inherently vital to an organizations success, yet so difficult and arguably more subjective than any position in all of sports.

In evaluating a QB I believe there are 4 MUSTS that give the QB a chance to play successfully at the highest level:

A) The NFL QB MUST have a complete assortment (inventory) of passes that enable an offense to pressure the opposing defense to defend the entire field vertically deep down the middle and horizontally from sideline to sideline. This means he must drop in the deep ball from long range, throw the 20 yard comeback from the opposite hash, fire the ball over the middle in tight spaces, and take some “juice” off the check down or screen pass so his receivers are able to make the catch at close range.

B) The NFL QB MUST make quick and spontaneous decisions amidst the chaos of a pass rush, complex coverage, and incredible speed of the game on a play by play basis. There is an instinctive prerequisite here, but also unique neurological development that enables the QB to diagnose coverage and make a split second decision that runs from his eyes (for location) to feet (for throwing position) back up the body to the arm where the brain measures the velocity necessary, depth perception, and location. This is the definition of a “quick decision maker”.

C) The NFL QB MUST be “MOBILE”. There are 3 important types of mobility necessary to effectively play the position in the NFL:

1) The mobility to inherently feel pressure while looking up the field. To be “nifty” enough to calmly slide to the right or left, or “climb” to find what I call the “quiet area” of the pocket, then to step and deliver with a complete throwing motion.

2) The mobility that if “flushed” from the pocket by pressure, that he can accurately deliver the ball on the run at a reasonable distance without having to stop, set, and throw.

3) The mobility to run and gain yards beyond the line of scrimmage is not necessarily a prerequisite like 1) and 2), but once the QB has exhausted his progressions in the pocket or has been flushed out early, there is nothing more demoralizing to the defense and their coordinator than with viable receivers covered, or a free rusher in his face to have the QB escape for positive yardage and/or a first down.

NOTE: What you don’t want to see is a QB who leaves the pocket before he has exhausted his progressions and viable receivers. This will lead to a complete breakdown of the best coached passing offenses.

4) The NFL QB MUST be able to take defenseless shots from the opposition and have the physical and mental toughness to get back on his feet, get in the huddle, call the next play, and go to the line and execute it at the highest level. All within 40 seconds or less!

SUMMARY: In conclusion, the 4 “MUSTS” of the QB to effectively compete in the NFL only give him a chance to succeed at the game’s toughest and most highly technical position. The quarterbacks at every level have this relative ability, but it is the “IT FACTOR” that sets them apart.

http://www.allcoachnetwork.com/trestman/main.html
[ Edited by Jcool on Oct 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM ]
My ideal coaching staff:

HC: Jon Gruden
- Former HC that has a SB ring on his hand as a coach. Offensive-minded and former 49er coach - WCO specific.

Offense -

OC/Asst. HC: Marc Trestman
- Highly praised offensive coach that is currently a HC in Canada. The offensive minds of Trestman and Gruden will get this ship on the right course.

QB Coach: Jay Gruden
- Current HC in the UFL, Gruden served as an offensive asst. at Tampa during Jon's tenure as HC.

WR Coach: Jerry Sullivan (same)

RB Coach: Tom Rathman (same)

TE Coach: Pete Hoener (same)

OL Coach: Mike Solari (same)

Defense -

DC: Greg Manusky (same)

DL: Jim Tomsula (same)

LB: Ted Cottrell
- Former DC but well respected 3-4 defensive specialist. Brings lots of experience to the table to bolster our LB corps.

DB: Johnnie Lynn/Vance Joseph (same)
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by NewEraNiner:
Great read on Harbaugh.

I want this guy to coach the Niners!



College coaches make me nervous.

Yeah, Stanford coaches never really work out in the NFL. Didn't we get a Stanford coach sometimes in the late 70's? How'd he turn out?

you are right: if we hire Harbaugh, it will turn out exactly the same!

Just saying that fearing college coaches isn't a good idea. If Eddie D. feared college coaches we wouldn't have a superbowl trophy to our name.

there are always exceptions. there are a lot of other big-time college coaches that turned out like garbage in the pros. Probably more than turned out successful. Harbaugh might be an exception because of his familiarity with the NFL and the fact that his team runs a pro-style offense. If it came down to it, I wouldn't mind seeing Harbaugh come over here, but I would prefer a guy with real NFL head coaching experience, like Cowher or Gruden.
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All you guys who want high profile coaches, when have the Yorks shown an inclination they would hire such a person. We have had nothing but nobodies in the front office and second tier guys (if that) on the coaching staff.
Originally posted by BobS:
All you guys who want high profile coaches, when have the Yorks shown an inclination they would hire such a person. We have had nothing but nobodies in the front office and second tier guys (if that) on the coaching staff.

This thread is about who we want, not who the Yorks want.

By the way, what do the Yorks have to do to stop the image that you have that they're cheap?

-9fA
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by BobS:
All you guys who want high profile coaches, when have the Yorks shown an inclination they would hire such a person. We have had nothing but nobodies in the front office and second tier guys (if that) on the coaching staff.

This thread is about who we want, not who the Yorks want.

By the way, what do the Yorks have to do to stop the image that you have that they're cheap?

-9fA

They're not actually cheap. My guess is Jed wants to find the next Walsh, rather than just find a guy who made a name for himself elsewhere. Higher risk, but I would prefer that too.
Harbaugh is the coach period.

~ Routinely takes lessor talent vs. more talented opponents and wins anyway...
~ Almost always out coaches and out schemes everybody he plays.
~ An Offensive genius.
~ Tremendous talent at developing QB's. People wouldn't even know who Andrew Luck is if not for him. Was the same way here in SD. At Univeristy of SD he took nobodies and they were talking about giving them looks in the pros (the QB)...
~ Tremendous passion for coaching.
~ Already sitting in the Bay Area and comfortable there.
~ IMO the best overall pro prospect college coach.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Oct 5, 2010 at 2:07 AM ]
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by BobS:
All you guys who want high profile coaches, when have the Yorks shown an inclination they would hire such a person. We have had nothing but nobodies in the front office and second tier guys (if that) on the coaching staff.

This thread is about who we want, not who the Yorks want.

By the way, what do the Yorks have to do to stop the image that you have that they're cheap?

-9fA

Get a real NFL GM and coach.