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Taylor Mays traded to the Bengals

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Whomeam:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Whomeam:
Think about it though. When the bar is set THAT low, you'll take any better offer . That means no better offers were on the table. That shows how much people actually wanted the kid.

I see your point, but I think some of that is due to us broadcasting how badly we wanted to get rid of him.

We should have been telling everyone how it's too bad a player that talented doesn't fit with the new scheme we want to run.

There's a reason everyone was so shocked when we sent that email. And that reason is that it was a SHOCKINGLY STUPID MOVE.
While I agree with you, the people on these teams (for the most part) aren't idiots. If they thought he could help the team even just a little bit, they would have offered something. 31 teams got to take a look at him and in the end the best offer we got was from the Bengals for their 7th in 2 years. If the scouts and coaches thought he would be anything, it wouldn't be because we were trying to hype him up. It would be because they looked at tape of him and that he was great.

Hell, even Baalke didn't want him in the draft. Dingleberry is the reason we have him. and that right there is my only criticism of Baalke so far. He should have stepped up and said no instead of giving in and having us waste a pick.

I don't know if agree with you.

Sure, we reached when drafted him. But someone would have certainly drafted him by the 4th round if we didn't take him in the second.

So between then and now what happened to cause everyone to give up on him? I don't think it was his play in games last year. He wasn't great, but he did make a few impressive plays on special teams.

What happened is that we made it very clear to everyone that we, the team who sees him every day in practice, think he sucks. I'm saying we could have tried harder to send a different message and there might have been teams that were still interested.

Yep. That mass email was amateur hour.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Whomeam:
Oh man I didn't even notice. Thanks duder.

And I agree, I really wish they would have handled it better.

On a side note, does this change your perception on what Harbaugh said about the whole thing? He said that we got a few offers from teams and wanted to see what we could get for him. This means either he was lying or the other teams offered the same thing and they just either chose the team to trade with or let Mays decide where he wanted to go. I really am doubting they actually got other offers though.

I have a hard time seeing one GM call another to say, "hey you know that guy you drafted in the second last year? Well, how about I give you a 7th for him. In two years..."

Seems much more likely they started it all by sending the email, tried to spin it when it blew up publicly, and only got one, crazy low offer because everyone just assumed they would cut him eventually.

So yes, I think Harbaugh lied. But that doesn't bother me nearly as much as the rest of the ineptitude they showed with the email.

To do this stuff right you have to set it up in advance. Look at how the Eagles handle this stuff. They swung two huge deals for CBs. An obvious sign that they don't like Samuel. But instead of telling everyone that, they talk about how much they love him, how excited they are about having 3 really good CBs, and how they would only maaaaybe trade Samuel if they got a really good offer. And now some team is going to give up a lot for a player the Eagles clearly thought wasn't good enough. In the NFL, perception becomes reality pretty fast in the offseason.

Agreed. Only difference I would say is that Samuels has enough tape on him to show that he has the ability to be a good CB. Can't really say the same about Mays. When he got a chance to show his stuff he pretty much didn't.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
a 7th round pick is lame.

then again, Shaun Hill got us a 7th round pick that Baalke turned into Daniel Kilgore. So a little something is better than nothing, but its hard to believe that they couldn't have handled this better.

I got to agree with you. He would of probably gotten release if Niners didn't trade him. Better then nothing.
Originally posted by tidissis08:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
a 7th round pick is lame.

then again, Shaun Hill got us a 7th round pick that Baalke turned into Daniel Kilgore. So a little something is better than nothing, but its hard to believe that they couldn't have handled this better.

I got to agree with you. He would of probably gotten release if Niners didn't trade him. Better then nothing.

exactly, samething with balmer, it doesnt always work out with high picks, trading them for much lower picks isnt ideal, but i can just see the backlash when these players get cut.."why didnt we at least try to get a 7th rounder for him".....you'd see a million of those posts
7th round pick for someone that would have been cut?

Sounds about right..
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Originally posted by Eli_23:
7th round pick for someone that would have been cut?

Sounds about right..

That also would've been a dumb move to just straight cut a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. I'm losing confidence in this GM.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Eli_23:
7th round pick for someone that would have been cut?

Sounds about right..

That also would've been a dumb move to just straight cut a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. I'm losing confidence in this GM.

It's Fangio as well. I don't know why everyone is putting this on Baalke. Do you all forget that Fangio basically came out and said that Mays for all intents and purposes will not be part of any long term plans? Heck, it's probably Harbaugh as well. Mays has been running with the 3rd team defense all training camp - that's cut territory.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Eli_23:
7th round pick for someone that would have been cut?

Sounds about right..

That also would've been a dumb move to just straight cut a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. I'm losing confidence in this GM.

It's Fangio as well. I don't know why everyone is putting this on Baalke. Do you all forget that Fangio basically came out and said that Mays for all intents and purposes will not be part of any long term plans. Heck, it's probably Harbaugh as well. Mays has been running with the 3rd team defense all training camp - that's cut territory.

Sorry I missed that part, but I did remember Ed Donatell one of the best secondary coaches out there giving some praise about Taylor Mays.
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Originally posted by Janitor:
Article deleted. Soooooooo no proof that this claim is true.

Maiocco reported it now.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Janitor:
Article deleted. Soooooooo no proof that this claim is true.

Maiocco reported it now.

Wasn't his article based off the other one? Sounds like typical media circle to me.
Now G. Cohn says Schefter reported it, but I can't find anything from Schefter himself saying that. Checked his twitter and google searched it.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Eli_23:
7th round pick for someone that would have been cut?

Sounds about right..

That also would've been a dumb move to just straight cut a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. I'm losing confidence in this GM.

It's Fangio as well. I don't know why everyone is putting this on Baalke. Do you all forget that Fangio basically came out and said that Mays for all intents and purposes will not be part of any long term plans. Heck, it's probably Harbaugh as well. Mays has been running with the 3rd team defense all training camp - that's cut territory.

Sorry I missed that part, but I did remember Ed Donatell one of the best secondary coaches out there giving some praise about Taylor Mays.

Donatell's praise might have just been coach-speak and political talk.

From Barrows:

Mays has been playing with the third-string defense this offseason, and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio today made it clear, when discussing safeties, that he was not in the 49ers' plans.

"We feel good with (Donte) Whitner, him (Reggie Smith), (Dashon) Goldson, (Madieu) Williams, and (C.J.) Spillman," Fangio said. 'We feel like we've got five safeties there that can play in the NFL. Some of them have great special teams value over the others, so if we have to keep four, that will be a hard decision. If we keep five, I think they will all be different pieces that we will use during the season."

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Maiocco also had a similar article.
it's pretty obvious why this all went down. Mays f**ked Baalke's wife.