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Marcellus Wiley says NFL culture still has "no tolerance" for homosexuality

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Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2010 10:00 PM ET

More than six years ago, our friend Mike Freeman told in his book Bloody Sundays the story of Steven Thompson, a then-active NFL player who also happened to be gay -- and who had a relationship with at least one other player.

Thompson was an assumed name, like Martin Van Nostrand. In 2003, no gay NFL player could come out of the closet during his career. In 2010, no progress has been made to change that reality.

In an interview with Dave Hollander of HuffingtonPost.com, ESPN's Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL Pro Bowlers, suggests that it will be a long time before an active player can admit to being gay.

"It would really be tough for a gay guy in the NFL, for the locker room to understand him as a homosexual -- I'm not saying it's impossible to pull off, but I'm saying right now the fear of coming out of the closet and more so coming out in the locker room would really be too tremendous to overcome," Wiley said. "It's unfortunate because it shouldn't be that way. I understand that the locker room is pretty intimate. I do understand that there are 53 guys walking around nude at times and I do understand how guys may feel uncomfortable, but I don't think that it should impair someone's decision to live their life, have their freedoms and express themselves. I don't know whether that will be five, ten or twenty years from now but right now the NFL culture has no tolerance toward it."

Wiley also said that when he played with former NFL defensive tackle Esera Tuaolo, who came out of the closet after his career ended, other players wondered whether Tuaolo was gay.

"Quiet as it was kept, it was suspected when we were teammates in Buffalo," Wiley said, "but never to the point where there was any hatred for him as a person -- more a joke, more a comedy that people used to say stuff to him. I never thought twice about it until he retired and came out. Then I was like 'Wow, they used to kind of make mention of that in the locker room.'"

Maybe, someday, a gay player will be able to acknowledge his sexuality and not live in fear of it being detected. Until then, the gap between the NFL locker room and the rest of society will continue to grow. Eventually, the dichotomy between the football world and the real world will become sufficiently broad to create a major embarrassment for the game.

Some would argue that point already has arrived.

Honestly, I don't care what someone does in their personal life. It shouldn't prevent that person from having success in their career (in this case, playing in the NFL).
[ Edited by PTulini on Jul 16, 2010 at 9:00 PM ]
as long as he has his own shower
if hes good its fine unless he has his own shower, but if he sucks cut his ass
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
if hes good its fine unless he has his own shower, but if he sucks cut his ass

...that's what Wiley means by "no tolerance"
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?
Originally posted by MadMoneyMarshall:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?


s**t man if that was true my friends wouldn't let me hear the end of it.
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by MadMoneyMarshall:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?


s**t man if that was true my friends wouldn't let me hear the end of it.

People already tease us (as fans) for it anyway, whether its true or not. I know I hear about it from a few of my friends from time to time.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by MadMoneyMarshall:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?


s**t man if that was true my friends wouldn't let me hear the end of it.

People already tease us (as fans) for it anyway, whether its true or not. I know I hear about it from a few of my friends from time to time.

How do you come back on them PTulini? I need some ideas.
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

Actually that's already happened. Ever heard of Dave Kopay?
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

Actually that's already happened. Ever heard of Dave Kopay?

GTFO!

Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by MadMoneyMarshall:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?


s**t man if that was true my friends wouldn't let me hear the end of it.

People already tease us (as fans) for it anyway, whether its true or not. I know I hear about it from a few of my friends from time to time.

How do you come back on them PTulini? I need some ideas.

I just don't worry about. Let them say what they want. They're Eagles fans anyway. When's the last time they won a Super Bowl... 1960? At least we haven't lost a Super Bowl! That shuts them up really fast!

[ Edited by PTulini on Jul 16, 2010 at 11:51 PM ]
Hearst got in trouble just a short decade ago for basically saying the same thing in a slightly less diplomatic fashion....he was roasted by the NFL, the media, and the team and forced to apologize.

But the truth is that while the NFL is happy to pay political lip service to the gay community, it has unwritten rules about what basically amounts to a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy when it comes to homosexuals in the locker room.

A certain component of a player's success is political...the coach and your peers have to like you enough to want to play with you. Being gay basically limits that possibility totally and completely. So if you re in fact gay, you better not let them know.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Originally posted by MadMoneyMarshall:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
What if one of our players were secretly in the closet?

who cares?


s**t man if that was true my friends wouldn't let me hear the end of it.

People already tease us (as fans) for it anyway, whether its true or not. I know I hear about it from a few of my friends from time to time.

How do you come back on them PTulini? I need some ideas.

I just don't worry about. Let them say what they want. They're Eagles fans anyway. When's the last time they won a Super Bowl... 1960? At least we haven't lost a Super Bowl! That shuts them up really fast!



My friends are Cowboy fans.
Originally posted by kray28:
Hearst got in trouble just a short decade ago for basically saying the same thing in a slightly less diplomatic fashion....he was roasted by the NFL, the media, and the team and forced to apologize.

But the truth is that while the NFL is happy to pay political lip service to the gay community, it has unwritten rules about what basically amounts to a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy when it comes to homosexuals in the locker room.

A certain component of a player's success is political...the coach and your peers have to like you enough to want to play with you. Being gay basically limits that possibility totally and completely. So if you re in fact gay, you better not let them know.

Someone has to break the barrier, man. It was the same for black players at one time too. Someone will eventually!