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Randy Moss Vs Jerry Rice-Let's be real.

Originally posted by HessianDud:
This might actually be the worst thread of 2010.

Maybe ever?

Let the debate begin.


First undebatable fact in this thread !
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
my brain exploded after just looking at how long that was

yah sorry dude, way too long for us zoners to read
  • seanh
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Originally posted by Ether:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
still haven't had 1 person talk about the stats & the fact that Moss is on pace to break the TD record. Take your time & read it all. Even Rice would shy away from reading it i suppose, if it described how Rice's records will fall and how Moss has owned Rice since college.

Ok, I wasn't gonna do it, but...


Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
Randy Moss Vs Jerry Rice-“In between the lines”
Then, the topic of the debate begins. Moss broke state H.S.records in the 100m and 200m dashes(still state records). One of the track coach’s of Olympic team when he scouted Moss said he was the greatest runner he’s ever seen, & that includes Michael Johnson & Carl Lewis. (At Marshall University, Moss won Southern Conf. Championship in the 200m and 55m dash, after just 3 days of practice)!

Oh my, by these standards, Darrius Heyward Bey should be inducted into the Hall of Fame tomorrow.

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Moss got 2 state titles in football. And he was a super great basketball player receiving the W. Virginia player of the year award. He was also drafted in baseball, which many scouts thought was his best sport (centerfield). Some scouts were saying he was the best fielder in centerfield ever, and he was only in H.S.(Imagine Moss running down baseballs out there!) [...] he knows of Moss running a 4.19 in Minnesota. Now that’s almost Bo Jackson speed right there. I believe Bo Jackson, Randy Moss and Deion Sanders are the best 3 athletes ever.)

Once again, nothing to do with being a Pro NFL receiver. Michael Vick was a three-sport star as well. Is he a better player than Joe Montana? Reggie Bush is a better Running Back than Emmitt Smith?


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RANDY MOSS VS JERRY RICE
This receiver debate even goes back to their college football days, for those of you that don’t know. Look it up, Randy Moss broke 25 NCAA records. Yes, 25! Moss broke Rice's college records too. This Moss and Rice debate is nothing new. Nobody ever has ever caught more regular season touchdown passes than any freshman in NCAA history.

Like I've already said, college stats mean squat. If you wanna talk college, then RaShaun Woods should be in the discussion for greatest Wideout ever as well. The QB debate shouldnt be between Montana, Brady and Manning, it should be between Rattay, Brennan and Detmer.


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In college, he even got an award named after him. NCAA D-1 gives the Randy Moss Award every year to the top returner.
Cool little fact. See above as to why it doesnt mean squat. College =/= NFL.

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Nowadays, when a player demands the ball and pouts on the sideline, “he’s a prima-donna or bad sport.” When Rice demanded the ball or showed emotion when he wasn’t involved, they said, “wow, what a competitor!” The 80’s media was way different than the crazy media we have nowadays. Rice started that give me the ball stuff if you remember.

Once again, not really sure what this has to do with how good a player is. But on the point, Moss wasn't deemed a prima donna because he demanded the ball. He's deemed a prima donna because he pretended to moon the fans in Green Bay, and quit on his team in Oakland. Or did you just forget about that?

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Moss can run routes. [...] How can you only run go routes and catch over 100 balls? Or the 98 catches he got in 2008? It’s just crazy talk. You got to understand, he draws so much attention. He does for you on offense, what Deion did for you on defense. His route is part of an entire scheme. Other receivers run just as much go routes.

Jerry Rice does the exact same thing for your team. Since you seem to appreciate Deion so much, he's been quoted thousands of times saying Jerry Rice struck fear into him every game. Every night before each faceoff, Deion would wake up in cold sweats thinking about the matchup. This coming from a guy who, at the age of 37, shut down Terrell Owens.

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Rice was on linebackers a lot. Remember that the west coast offense Rice was on was new and we’ve all seen Rice beat linebackers and ended up 1on1 with a safety a lot.

Oh geez, that must be why Rice gained more than 6000 yards in his last 6 seasons playing 16 games (I'm excluding his last two years, in which he played a combined 17 games). Not to mention his 39 touchdowns. Oh yeah, he did this when he was 36 in 1998, and 41 in 2003.

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He runs some sweet slants & in-routes, & skinny posts. He’s almost undefendable running a stop route, & the out route. His post & set up to post corner is ridiculous to defend. Moss only runs go routes?


In routes, skinny posts... Oh no how hard? You do uderstand that posts and skinny posts are glorified go routes, in which they make one cut at an angle and go upfield, right? Rice, in the West Coast, did not have designated routes. He had read-and-react routes. If a corner did something, Rice would have the choice to cut upfield or take the post, and this was all during before the QB finished his 3 or 7 step drop. Moss doesn't do that.

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I HIGHLY encourage you to watch Moss’s ENTIRE 2009 season highlights on youtube. It paints a great picture of what he can do at age 32, and shows a lot of his route running skills and shows how many different routes he runs. It displays how easy he makes the game look. If you think he’s slowing down after watching that video, you’re crazy. He led the NFL in TD’s last year, & admitted he was hurt most of the season. He still looks ridiculous.

When he's 40 years old and still getting 1200 yards (as Jerry did in 2002), come back and see me.

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-STATS-
These stats may shock some of you stat nerds. Take a deep breath. I will now state a few interesting comparative facts of the two and compare the actual stats with comments.
Ok, Randy Moss just finished his 12th season in the NFL. I will compare Jerry Rice’s first 12 seasons with Randy Moss’s. I will also take half of that and compare their first 6 seasons. First, Moss was 32 years old in his 12th season and Rice was 34 years old when he played in his 12th season. That right there should raise an eyebrow or two. Remember, Moss played as a rookie at age 21 and led the NFL in TD’s with 17 (NFL rookie record). Moss’s 12th season, his 13 TD’s led the NFL in TD’s (tied 2 others, go Vernon!). Rice got 8 TD’s in his 12th season. It is interesting to point out Rice never got more than 9 TD’s again after that 12th season.

Comparing seasons is the incorrect way to handle this. That's like comparing Derrick Rose's 3rd season to Brandon Roy's 3rd season Comparing AGE has more substance. When Rice as 32, as Moss, he gained 1500 yards and 13 touchdowns. Right there in line with Moss's "league leading" touchdown number, and MORE yardage.

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In the first 12 seasons, Rice had 154 TD’s in 192 games, and Moss has 148 TD’s in 186 games. Wow, I know, it’s very similar. Rice got 16,377 yards and Moss got 14,465 yards. Rice has edge here but there is more to meets the eye on that stat, I will explain later. And Rice got 1,050 receptions, and Moss got 926 receptions. I always say, no one will ever break Rice’s catch record, cause it’s ridiculous! But you never know how long Moss will play and for what team. I will also talk about this later as well.

What exactly are you trying to prove with these stats? That Jerry Rice not only gains more yards and touchdowns... but that he's more durable?

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Rice has only 2 seasons of 17+ TD seasons. Moss has chance to reach that again, but we’ll see. The 22 TD’s Rice got was in the strike shortened season. I agree that it was amazing and it is legendary for being 12 games. But I have to stay objective. Rice did it in his second season, a strike year, and never even sniffed that type of season again and he played forever. The year after that season, in 16 games, Rice only got 9 TD’s. Let’s be honest. Yea, Moss got 23 TD’S in more games, but it was just amazing. The highlights are astonishing. One big thing people don’t say about Rice, that I like to point out is, “Rice didn’t get 23 TD’s in a 16 game season!” And we all know he played forever. I find that interesting.

The thing about your post is that you're cutting off facts that favor Randy Moss. "Rice only had 2 seasons of 17 touchdowns." Well, in that case, Jerry Rice had 8 seasons in which he had 13 or more touchdowns. Moss only has 6. Rice had 4 seasons of 1500+ receiving yards, Moss only had 1. Moss has 3 seasons of 90+ catches. Rice had 6. Oh, and he had one when he was 40 years old.

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This is for those people that will only talk about Oakland as their argument to why Moss isn’t the best. Well, I got some ammo for you haters as well. For one, Moss’s first year with Oakland he got 1,000+ yards and 8 TD’s. That is not bad, considering he didn’t play the full season due to injury, and played most of the season with injury. Most people don’t know that in his first 4 games with Oakland, he was off to the greatest start in the history of the game in receiving yards. But he got hurt.

Moss played 16 games in 2005 (his first year in Oakland) and started 15 of them.
He started all save for one, and played in all of them.

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Many people don’t know that. It was believed early on, that he was going to break Rice’s single season yard mark, but coulda-shoulda’s don’t count.(but imagine if Moss had that single season yard record too)

He might've broken it if they extended season by 5 games or so.

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I will say, if Moss was never in Oakland and on a good team, he would already be ahead of Rice’s TD pace and no one would argue that. And Moss would have had more yardage and more receptions, in-turn would have closed the gap even more in those stat categories as well, if not passing them. But again, woulda-coulda.

If Jerry Rice wasn't injured in 1997, he would've been on pace 1000 yard, 8+ touchdown season. Not really sure where you're going with this, but...

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Moss is 49 TD’s away from Rice’s receiving TD record. That’s not that unreasonable to obtain. At the least, if Moss gets 9.8 TD’s a season for 5 years, it makes Moss 37 years old when he gets the record. Remember, Rice only got 8 TD’s in his 12th season, & never got more than 9 after that, and he was 2 years older.

It's possible, but I dont know Moss personally enough to see whether or not his conditioning is on par with Jerry's.

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Moss got 13 TD’s last year and it appears he will get 10+ with Brady next year. If he has a few big seasons, it’s going to be done in 4 years, and he would only be 36 years old!

Moss has stated in interviews that he doesnt feel as though the Patriots are going to renew his contract due to their views on aging players with big contract needs. Just sayin'.

pwned
f**k Randy Moss, I hate that muther f**ker.
Rice had 22 TDs in 12 games...he still holds the single season record in my mind. Moss needed 16 to get 23 on the pass happy Pats. If that season was finished in full, Rice might have had 30 TDs!
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Rice had 22 TDs in 12 games...he still holds the single season record in my mind. Moss needed 16 to get 23 on the pass happy Pats. If that season was finished in full, Rice might have had 30 TDs!

Exactly. Just don't see anyone who would pick Moss over Rice to have on their team
LMAO. that dude got owned by Ether (that s**t that makes your soul burn slow.) definition of irony.
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
Please read it all before commenting.

I don't need to.

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>> Moss


Thread over.
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
hehe, well, for a proper debate on the issue, there has to be all the facts. most people don't know enough about Moss.
i know it' long,but if you read it all, it's interesting. Took me long time to research most of that. SO READ IT haha

I read it. You're basically trying to say anyone who thinks Moss isn't as good or better than Rice is a 49er fan and a homer.

Let me just say this: there is a reason the majority of broadcasters, analysts, writers and even fans of other teams acknowledge Jerry Rice as the best ever - not Randy Moss. It's not a 49er fan's homerism talking when everyone else is agreeing.

I refuse to even provide an argument to the debate between Rice VS. Moss.

By the way, I have been one of the biggest Randy Moss fans since he entered the league.
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Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
hehe, well, for a proper debate on the issue, there has to be all the facts. most people don't know enough about Moss.
i know it' long,but if you read it all, it's interesting. Took me long time to research most of that. SO READ IT haha

I read it. You're basically trying to say anyone who thinks Moss isn't as good or better than Rice is a 49er fan and a homer.

Let me just say this: there is a reason the majority of broadcasters, analysts, writers and even fans of other teams acknowledge Jerry Rice as the best ever - not Randy Moss. It's not a 49er fan's homerism talking when everyone else is agreeing.

I refuse to even provide an argument to the debate between Rice VS. Moss.

By the way, I have been one of the biggest Randy Moss fans since he entered the league.

Let's not forget how clear he made it that his football knowledge is vastly greater than anybody, therefore he must me right.
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Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
You obviously didn't read it, & for some reason the paragraphs didn't stay. But the fact you wouldn't read it tells me your not interested in hearing about Randy Moss having better stats. You said, Rice had more longevity is starting to be false. Moss got more TD's(13 td's, rice only got 8) in his 12th season than Rice, and had a 4 more yards per catch. Rice never got more than 9 tds after that. It appears Moss wil have better seasons after 12th year on.
& for that viking trade comment and 4th round crap, what the hell does that have to do with who is just better "in between the lines." to me, it's no question, Moss is better on the field than Rice. Do your time to read what I wrote. It's actually quite interesting. & I included the H.S. and college stuff just to show you who we are debating about. Moss broke Rice's records in college too, and the debate was going on back then. Just stating that Moss has been the best, forever, basically.
I know, it's hard to believe a 9er fan talking this way about Rice,but as a true NFL fan & receiver Coach, I can say, Moss is better. I just think all the years saying, Rice is GOAT, in effect brain washed you all to think that's final & can't be changed. The media is responsible.
Moss's stats are better than Rice's & they will be when he retires. ( that is, if he has the team & qb around him)
I just wrote that, cause most of you just don't know football enough, when I hear your comments to why Rice is the best over Moss. There's no substance. It's all, oh, rice has 3 rings, or well, moss is a better athlete, but that doesn't make him better. I mean, no one has any legitament argument. Read the interesting stat facts I put in that article. it's amazing all the stuff Moss has done & will do before he's done.
As an NFL fan & receiver fan, I think it's a tragedy, our modern day media tore the perception of Moss apart. In any other era, Moss would be regarded as Michael Jordan, as far as skill goes to the rest of the league. Rice couldn't hold Moss's jock, as far as talent goes, & i'll stand by that forever. It's simple, we've never seen an athlete like Moss before & his stats are beginning to show that. I mean, Moss being on weaker teams for his career & Rice having HOF players all around him his entire career, Moss's stats are just as good and could break Rice' TD record. It's interesting to think about. What will you say if Moss breaks Rice's TD record, years youger & like 5 seasons shorter? "Moss was in passing era".
I mean the facts are there, Moss is on pace to break Rice's TD record. He broke his college TD record,and he has the single season TD record in NFL, Moss got most TD's ever as a rookie in college and the pros! And he didn't have a great team till his 10th season in the league, and Rice started career and played his whole career with superbowl caliber team.
"Rice didn't get 23 TD's in 16 game season."
Moss as 3 seasons with 17+ td's
Rice only has 2.
The more research you do, the more it seems Rice was over rated. Ya i know, that is just wrong to say. But the fact is, Moss has been dominating Rice stats for years,including college. When he broke Rice's TD record in college, Moss was a rookie, & rice set those records as a senior.
Mid season, next year, Moss WILL pass up Rice's receiving TD pace.



no one can because their eyes want to jump out of their damn head when you look at it

look at it and tell me that ish doesn't hurt your eyes

moss is a lazy SOB.. how is this even a comparison?
Originally posted by Ether:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
still haven't had 1 person talk about the stats & the fact that Moss is on pace to break the TD record. Take your time & read it all. Even Rice would shy away from reading it i suppose, if it described how Rice's records will fall and how Moss has owned Rice since college.

Ok, I wasn't gonna do it, but...


Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
Randy Moss Vs Jerry Rice-“In between the lines”
Then, the topic of the debate begins. Moss broke state H.S.records in the 100m and 200m dashes(still state records). One of the track coach’s of Olympic team when he scouted Moss said he was the greatest runner he’s ever seen, & that includes Michael Johnson & Carl Lewis. (At Marshall University, Moss won Southern Conf. Championship in the 200m and 55m dash, after just 3 days of practice)!

Oh my, by these standards, Darrius Heyward Bey should be inducted into the Hall of Fame tomorrow.

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Moss got 2 state titles in football. And he was a super great basketball player receiving the W. Virginia player of the year award. He was also drafted in baseball, which many scouts thought was his best sport (centerfield). Some scouts were saying he was the best fielder in centerfield ever, and he was only in H.S.(Imagine Moss running down baseballs out there!) [...] he knows of Moss running a 4.19 in Minnesota. Now that’s almost Bo Jackson speed right there. I believe Bo Jackson, Randy Moss and Deion Sanders are the best 3 athletes ever.)

Once again, nothing to do with being a Pro NFL receiver. Michael Vick was a three-sport star as well. Is he a better player than Joe Montana? Reggie Bush is a better Running Back than Emmitt Smith?


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RANDY MOSS VS JERRY RICE
This receiver debate even goes back to their college football days, for those of you that don’t know. Look it up, Randy Moss broke 25 NCAA records. Yes, 25! Moss broke Rice's college records too. This Moss and Rice debate is nothing new. Nobody ever has ever caught more regular season touchdown passes than any freshman in NCAA history.

Like I've already said, college stats mean squat. If you wanna talk college, then RaShaun Woods should be in the discussion for greatest Wideout ever as well. The QB debate shouldnt be between Montana, Brady and Manning, it should be between Rattay, Brennan and Detmer.


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In college, he even got an award named after him. NCAA D-1 gives the Randy Moss Award every year to the top returner.
Cool little fact. See above as to why it doesnt mean squat. College =/= NFL.

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Nowadays, when a player demands the ball and pouts on the sideline, “he’s a prima-donna or bad sport.” When Rice demanded the ball or showed emotion when he wasn’t involved, they said, “wow, what a competitor!” The 80’s media was way different than the crazy media we have nowadays. Rice started that give me the ball stuff if you remember.

Once again, not really sure what this has to do with how good a player is. But on the point, Moss wasn't deemed a prima donna because he demanded the ball. He's deemed a prima donna because he pretended to moon the fans in Green Bay, and quit on his team in Oakland. Or did you just forget about that?

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Moss can run routes. [...] How can you only run go routes and catch over 100 balls? Or the 98 catches he got in 2008? It’s just crazy talk. You got to understand, he draws so much attention. He does for you on offense, what Deion did for you on defense. His route is part of an entire scheme. Other receivers run just as much go routes.

Jerry Rice does the exact same thing for your team. Since you seem to appreciate Deion so much, he's been quoted thousands of times saying Jerry Rice struck fear into him every game. Every night before each faceoff, Deion would wake up in cold sweats thinking about the matchup. This coming from a guy who, at the age of 37, shut down Terrell Owens.

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Rice was on linebackers a lot. Remember that the west coast offense Rice was on was new and we’ve all seen Rice beat linebackers and ended up 1on1 with a safety a lot.

Oh geez, that must be why Rice gained more than 6000 yards in his last 6 seasons playing 16 games (I'm excluding his last two years, in which he played a combined 17 games). Not to mention his 39 touchdowns. Oh yeah, he did this when he was 36 in 1998, and 41 in 2003.

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He runs some sweet slants & in-routes, & skinny posts. He’s almost undefendable running a stop route, & the out route. His post & set up to post corner is ridiculous to defend. Moss only runs go routes?


In routes, skinny posts... Oh no how hard? You do uderstand that posts and skinny posts are glorified go routes, in which they make one cut at an angle and go upfield, right? Rice, in the West Coast, did not have designated routes. He had read-and-react routes. If a corner did something, Rice would have the choice to cut upfield or take the post, and this was all during before the QB finished his 3 or 7 step drop. Moss doesn't do that.

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I HIGHLY encourage you to watch Moss’s ENTIRE 2009 season highlights on youtube. It paints a great picture of what he can do at age 32, and shows a lot of his route running skills and shows how many different routes he runs. It displays how easy he makes the game look. If you think he’s slowing down after watching that video, you’re crazy. He led the NFL in TD’s last year, & admitted he was hurt most of the season. He still looks ridiculous.

When he's 40 years old and still getting 1200 yards (as Jerry did in 2002), come back and see me.

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-STATS-
These stats may shock some of you stat nerds. Take a deep breath. I will now state a few interesting comparative facts of the two and compare the actual stats with comments.
Ok, Randy Moss just finished his 12th season in the NFL. I will compare Jerry Rice’s first 12 seasons with Randy Moss’s. I will also take half of that and compare their first 6 seasons. First, Moss was 32 years old in his 12th season and Rice was 34 years old when he played in his 12th season. That right there should raise an eyebrow or two. Remember, Moss played as a rookie at age 21 and led the NFL in TD’s with 17 (NFL rookie record). Moss’s 12th season, his 13 TD’s led the NFL in TD’s (tied 2 others, go Vernon!). Rice got 8 TD’s in his 12th season. It is interesting to point out Rice never got more than 9 TD’s again after that 12th season.

Comparing seasons is the incorrect way to handle this. That's like comparing Derrick Rose's 3rd season to Brandon Roy's 3rd season Comparing AGE has more substance. When Rice as 32, as Moss, he gained 1500 yards and 13 touchdowns. Right there in line with Moss's "league leading" touchdown number, and MORE yardage.

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In the first 12 seasons, Rice had 154 TD’s in 192 games, and Moss has 148 TD’s in 186 games. Wow, I know, it’s very similar. Rice got 16,377 yards and Moss got 14,465 yards. Rice has edge here but there is more to meets the eye on that stat, I will explain later. And Rice got 1,050 receptions, and Moss got 926 receptions. I always say, no one will ever break Rice’s catch record, cause it’s ridiculous! But you never know how long Moss will play and for what team. I will also talk about this later as well.

What exactly are you trying to prove with these stats? That Jerry Rice not only gains more yards and touchdowns... but that he's more durable?

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Rice has only 2 seasons of 17+ TD seasons. Moss has chance to reach that again, but we’ll see. The 22 TD’s Rice got was in the strike shortened season. I agree that it was amazing and it is legendary for being 12 games. But I have to stay objective. Rice did it in his second season, a strike year, and never even sniffed that type of season again and he played forever. The year after that season, in 16 games, Rice only got 9 TD’s. Let’s be honest. Yea, Moss got 23 TD’S in more games, but it was just amazing. The highlights are astonishing. One big thing people don’t say about Rice, that I like to point out is, “Rice didn’t get 23 TD’s in a 16 game season!” And we all know he played forever. I find that interesting.

The thing about your post is that you're cutting off facts that favor Randy Moss. "Rice only had 2 seasons of 17 touchdowns." Well, in that case, Jerry Rice had 8 seasons in which he had 13 or more touchdowns. Moss only has 6. Rice had 4 seasons of 1500+ receiving yards, Moss only had 1. Moss has 3 seasons of 90+ catches. Rice had 6. Oh, and he had one when he was 40 years old.

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This is for those people that will only talk about Oakland as their argument to why Moss isn’t the best. Well, I got some ammo for you haters as well. For one, Moss’s first year with Oakland he got 1,000+ yards and 8 TD’s. That is not bad, considering he didn’t play the full season due to injury, and played most of the season with injury. Most people don’t know that in his first 4 games with Oakland, he was off to the greatest start in the history of the game in receiving yards. But he got hurt.

Moss played 16 games in 2005 (his first year in Oakland) and started 15 of them.
He started all save for one, and played in all of them.

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Many people don’t know that. It was believed early on, that he was going to break Rice’s single season yard mark, but coulda-shoulda’s don’t count.(but imagine if Moss had that single season yard record too)

He might've broken it if they extended season by 5 games or so.

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I will say, if Moss was never in Oakland and on a good team, he would already be ahead of Rice’s TD pace and no one would argue that. And Moss would have had more yardage and more receptions, in-turn would have closed the gap even more in those stat categories as well, if not passing them. But again, woulda-coulda.

If Jerry Rice wasn't injured in 1997, he would've been on pace 1000 yard, 8+ touchdown season. Not really sure where you're going with this, but...

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Moss is 49 TD’s away from Rice’s receiving TD record. That’s not that unreasonable to obtain. At the least, if Moss gets 9.8 TD’s a season for 5 years, it makes Moss 37 years old when he gets the record. Remember, Rice only got 8 TD’s in his 12th season, & never got more than 9 after that, and he was 2 years older.

It's possible, but I dont know Moss personally enough to see whether or not his conditioning is on par with Jerry's.

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Moss got 13 TD’s last year and it appears he will get 10+ with Brady next year. If he has a few big seasons, it’s going to be done in 4 years, and he would only be 36 years old!

Moss has stated in interviews that he doesnt feel as though the Patriots are going to renew his contract due to their views on aging players with big contract needs. Just sayin'.


This is truly an amazing post. Great stuff mang and way to do your homework.

To the original poster. I really love how you down play everything Rice did in your post and up lift everything that Moss has accomplished. If you meant it to be an unbiased post, you fell way off the mark.
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
This might actually be the worst thread of 2010.

Maybe ever?

Let the debate begin.


First undebatable fact in this thread !

the only thing to debate I guess is whether this is just the worst thread of the year or of all-time.

I'm going to go with Worst Thread of All Time, and here's why:

1) Takes a position AGAINST a 49ers Legend.
2) Uses hypotheticals and projections to make a case against said 49ers Legend, rather than solid facts or logic.
3) Is waaaayyy too long.
4) The Original Poster countered every opposing viewpoint with "You obviously didn't read the post", which shows a lack of enough self-awareness to realize that the post wasn't worth reading.
5) Did I mention how long it was?
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LOL! Am i the only one that thought this was funny?!!