Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by dj43:
McNabb is past his prime, and has never been on the short list of elite QBs in the league.
Palmer has not been the same since he tore up his knee in the playoffs a couple years back. Even before the injury, he wouldn't be an elite list guy either.
This points out how short the list of truly good QBs there are in the league. Once you get past the top 7 or 8, you get down to guys who rise or fall with their team but are not capable of putting the team on their back and carrying it for more than a few quarters or a game here and there.
All of this is due to the ultra high salaries QBs now have. An owner spends $10MILLION or more on a young player and doesn't want him sitting on the bench. The result is he gets rushed onto the field before he is ready. Good case comparison is to compare where Jason Campbell and Alex Smith are right now, both of whom were put on the field early for teams that are the epitome of teams in flux, as opposed to Aaron Rodgers.
In a very real way, if there were to be a rookie salary cap, it would work to the advantage of young QBs who would more likely be able to sit and learn the system while watching a more established QB play. Steve Young is a good example of the latter method at work.
Just my thoughts...
I kind of agree. I do agree that at any time there really is only about half a dozen truly elite QB's. But I think that is timeless. I don't think the whole start day1 vs. sitting really makes that much of a difference.
I happen to really like both Palmer and McNabb....but I never thought of either one as a top tier QB. EVER.
In fact, I said that the best QB to come out of USC would be Mark Sanchez; who btw seems to be off to a fine start under the start day 1 method.
Drawing the line between elite and very good/efficient has always been relatively easy. Where it big difference is, IMO, is between now and the time up until the late '80s/early '90s. Prior to that time, there were quite good number of very good/efficient QBs. Guys that did more than just "not lose" the game.
A good example is the '85 Bears. Their killer defense got all the publicity but Jim McMahon was far from a Trent Dilfer as a QB. McMahon could BEAT you with his ball-handling, his poise, his arm, and his guts.
In the early '80s, David Garrard couldn't start for more then 2 or 3 teams. Now he is mid-pack. Pick any of the QBs on current teams from the late teens on down and they would be 2nd string 20 years ago. That is due in large part to the fact they have not had the proper tutelege to play well at this level.
Another reason for the drop-off is the current infatuation with the spread offense in college. 80% of the bowl games this year featured QBs who were in the shotgun all the time. In the pro game, the speed of LBs and DEs are such that you just can't do that all the time. So these kids like Alex and others that have come from spread offenses have another reason why they should be on the bench more so they can learn to play from the I-formation.