To summarize: holmgren got canned as GM both at GB and SEA. Why? he couldn't evaluate talent...and it showed. It is true mcCLOWN did come in as GM in SEA and built the team that went to (didn't win) the SB. But here, 5 seasons, 5 losing seasons, crap for an OL and scot doesn't like to spend money on OLs, and "knows" he can get good enough OGs and OTs in 2nd and later rds. Well, look at our OL. It is deplorable, and we can thank good old Clown for that . Yeah , he did pick talent for the Seahawks, but whatever talent he had he left in SEA. As long as he remains here we are 8-8 at best, probably 7-9. We have to have a GM who is special. Scot is not. OR, we go the HOFO route, and get a parcells/pioli/loomis type of guy in here to run things, which would mercifully get jedi jed out of the picture.
Right now, we are a nothing team going as far as our nothing GM and green HC are going to take us...not very. HOlmgren would have been a disaster for this team, because he can't evaluate talent. The 3 guys i noted above, plus Belicheck, the guy with Atlanta...those are the type of guys we should be discussing, and the HOFO should have his choice of HC. A real HOFO would never have made the choice of a LB coach, with no OC(hah) or DC experience, and literally, not much experience at many other coaching positions either. Oh well, at end of each losing season, bigMIke can give everybody one helluva motivational speech.
We are on the horns of a dilemma. A worthless GM, a clueless owner's son, and a HC with nowhere near the experience needed to be a HC. (Okay, this bull had 3 horns). POint is, until we change the entire top mgmt, we will remain in limbo. Maybe a winning season here, maybe one there, more 7-9s, until someone wakes up and says, "Jeez, we just aren't getting any better. I wonder why?"
Unfortunately, we can't fire our owners, but we can always pray they get tired of losing. Or maybe not. Maybe they're happy when we are crappy. Whatever, the only way out of this morass is a top flite HOFO, and those guys are around. There's not a lot , but they are around. THAT is my only hope of this team ever being great again.
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Why Were We Never In The Running For Mike Holmgren?
Dec 22, 2009 at 10:25 PM
- pasodoc9er
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Dec 23, 2009 at 5:08 PM
- Rivers77
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by Rivers77:Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Couldn't POSSIBLY be that he felt betrayed when we went to Mooch instead of him as George's successor?
Naaaaah that couldn't be it.
Cause far as I know Mike is 3-0 going to the Big Dance and Mooch is a big 0-fer in that department. Yeah the Packers got some really lenient no calls, but they still went with Holmgren as their HC.
So there ya have it folks the REAL reason that Holmgren is nothing more than a pipe dream since he moved on from the 49ers.
For those wanting Holmgren as our GM, Santa says FAT CHANCE in Florida.
Just to remind you guys Holmgren not only was relieved of his GM responsibilities in Sheattle, but also in Cheese land. He was OKAY as a GM, but a better HC. Some guys just are not cut out for one or the other. We'll see what he does in Cleveland but even money he leaves before they become relevant.
~Ceadder
I'm not entirely sure about Holmgren as GM in Green Bay. I can't confirm that one, but I can confirm that Holmgren left our team to coach Green Bay while Seifert was still the coach.
I believe we hired Mooch, who was an assistant coach of the Green Bay Packers. A year or two later Holmgren left the Packers and went on to Seattle. It was just bad timing I think.
Yeah prolly was. But I think that the bad timing was George's second Super Bowl season. I remember hearing on the rumor mill that the Front Office was not exactly happy with how things were shaping up losing to Dallas in more ways than one. I think that they went to Holmgren to see if he would be interested. Could be that rubbed him the wrong way, or could be that they set him u for dissappointment. My bad on the timing issue. But he OBVIOUSLY has it in for the organization. Whatever the reason he resents the team for something imho.
Oh yeah as far as Green Bay goes, they yanked his GM status and passed it over to Wolf(sp?) and then the same thing happened in Green Bay. I think that he's decent at Core management but finding the final pieces didn't seem to be his strong suit.
~Ceadder
Had to do a little research on this one, but Holmgren never was the GM of the Green Bay Packers. You can credit Wolf for trading the 2nd round draft pick for Brett Favre.
Dec 23, 2009 at 6:12 PM
- Young2Rice
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A fellow Zoner used visuals to assist. It goes like this.
Cleveland's President's resume: Started as high school Football in 1971. OC and then head coach at SF state. QB coach at BYU (YES, mentored S. Young there. Also got Andy Reid Started there) Offensive coordinator and WB coach under Walsh with the 49ers for 5 years. Won some rings there didn't he? The of course another sb ring with the packers and a super bowl appearance with a pathetic franchise in the seahawks. Without him they will go back to being NFL's doormat team...right beside us.
Our President's resume: His mom boned his dad....? Anyone got anything?
It amazes me how some people on here thing Holmgren "can coach, but won't be a good president He doesn't know how to run a team."
And York does? One poster said "would u make a chef a GM of a resteraunt? Cause they don't know how to run it."
I think a chef with 40 years experience, succeful experience mind you, would make a great GM.
Get real guys. We need a real football guy up there. No Yorkkkkk.
Cleveland's President's resume: Started as high school Football in 1971. OC and then head coach at SF state. QB coach at BYU (YES, mentored S. Young there. Also got Andy Reid Started there) Offensive coordinator and WB coach under Walsh with the 49ers for 5 years. Won some rings there didn't he? The of course another sb ring with the packers and a super bowl appearance with a pathetic franchise in the seahawks. Without him they will go back to being NFL's doormat team...right beside us.
Our President's resume: His mom boned his dad....? Anyone got anything?
It amazes me how some people on here thing Holmgren "can coach, but won't be a good president He doesn't know how to run a team."
And York does? One poster said "would u make a chef a GM of a resteraunt? Cause they don't know how to run it."
I think a chef with 40 years experience, succeful experience mind you, would make a great GM.
Get real guys. We need a real football guy up there. No Yorkkkkk.
Nov 16, 2010 at 10:21 AM
- rubbersoul80
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Did anyone read Lowell's recent blog regarding the Niners possible interest in Holmgren. It'll never happen, but it's interesting that NOW the Niners are interested. A little late maybe? LOL.
http://cohn.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/12518/holmgren-to-49ers/
http://cohn.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/12518/holmgren-to-49ers/
Nov 16, 2010 at 10:33 AM
- DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by rubbersoul80:
Did anyone read Lowell's recent blog regarding the Niners possible interest in Holmgren. It'll never happen, but it's interesting that NOW the Niners are interested. A little late maybe? LOL.
http://cohn.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/12518/holmgren-to-49ers/
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Nov 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Rivers77:Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Couldn't POSSIBLY be that he felt betrayed when we went to Mooch instead of him as George's successor?
Naaaaah that couldn't be it.
Cause far as I know Mike is 3-0 going to the Big Dance and Mooch is a big 0-fer in that department. Yeah the Packers got some really lenient no calls, but they still went with Holmgren as their HC.
So there ya have it folks the REAL reason that Holmgren is nothing more than a pipe dream since he moved on from the 49ers.
For those wanting Holmgren as our GM, Santa says FAT CHANCE in Florida.
Just to remind you guys Holmgren not only was relieved of his GM responsibilities in Sheattle, but also in Cheese land. He was OKAY as a GM, but a better HC. Some guys just are not cut out for one or the other. We'll see what he does in Cleveland but even money he leaves before they become relevant.
~Ceadder
I'm not entirely sure about Holmgren as GM in Green Bay. I can't confirm that one, but I can confirm that Holmgren left our team to coach Green Bay while Seifert was still the coach.
I believe we hired Mooch, who was an assistant coach of the Green Bay Packers. A year or two later Holmgren left the Packers and went on to Seattle. It was just bad timing I think.
No. When we hired Mariucci he was head coach of Cal. He left Green Bay to return to Cal. No reason for Holmgren to take issue.
Nov 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM
- baltien
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If we hire Holmgren, we'd have someone on our hands that:
1) Is a control freak. Which is fine if he's successful at it, but Holmgren wasn't.
2) Is liable to quit at anytime. The man is 62. If you think that he'll coach beyond 3 years you're delusional.
And I'd bet that if we're not winning he won't even last that long.
3) Failed to capitalize on playing in a terrible division despite having a stacked roster. Sure the 'Hawks were a lock to make the playoffs every year, but they played in the NFC West (which isn't saying much).
I think you guys are too caught up in the name.
1) Is a control freak. Which is fine if he's successful at it, but Holmgren wasn't.
2) Is liable to quit at anytime. The man is 62. If you think that he'll coach beyond 3 years you're delusional.
And I'd bet that if we're not winning he won't even last that long.
3) Failed to capitalize on playing in a terrible division despite having a stacked roster. Sure the 'Hawks were a lock to make the playoffs every year, but they played in the NFC West (which isn't saying much).
I think you guys are too caught up in the name.