Holmgren meets with Browns over 'czar' of football job

From NFL.com:

CLEVELAND -- Mike Holmgren remained unemployed. Eric Mangini stayed on the job, and the Cleveland Browns were still a mess.

That was about the extent of things following a drawn-out Tuesday with scarce information as the Browns, searching for a leader to head their football operations, continued talks with Holmgren, the former Seattle and Green Bay coach who wants back into the NFL.

Holmgren, with one Super Bowl title and success brimming from his resume, spent his second day meeting with owner Randy Lerner at the team's suburban headquarters. Despite the lengthy stay, there was no indication that a deal was imminent.

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Holmgren arrived Monday after being invited to Cleveland by Lerner, who wants to hire a proven executive. On Tuesday, Holmgren was back at the team's facility along with agent Bob LaMonte. The length of Holmgren's visit, and LaMonte's inclusion, points to the 61-year-old's strong interest in taking on the Browns, who have had just two winning seasons since 1999.

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I find it funny how some think because he was a good coach he can run a team and pick players. He did it in Seattle and the team was terrible, why would he be any better now? The difference between him and Parcells is he did it with the Jets and went to the AFC Championship and in Dallas and got them back to the playoffs. He has shown over time to know hopw to build a team and how to draft, Homgren has not.

Originally posted by steiber:
I find it funny how some think because he was a good coach he can run a team and pick players. He did it in Seattle and the team was terrible, why would he be any better now? The difference between him and Parcells is he did it with the Jets and went to the AFC Championship and in Dallas and got them back to the playoffs. He has shown over time to know hopw to build a team and how to draft, Homgren has not.

Look at the players he drafted though before he resumed back to his coaching duties. The players he acquired were the core of the SB team.

You could do worse than Holmgren at GM.

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by steiber:
I find it funny how some think because he was a good coach he can run a team and pick players. He did it in Seattle and the team was terrible, why would he be any better now? The difference between him and Parcells is he did it with the Jets and went to the AFC Championship and in Dallas and got them back to the playoffs. He has shown over time to know hopw to build a team and how to draft, Homgren has not.

Look at the players he drafted though before he resumed back to his coaching duties. The players he acquired were the core of the SB team.
You could do worse than Holmgren at GM.

You think so, here are the players he drafted. The list doesn't look all that good. There are only a few good players in all those drafts. Most of the good players came after Holmgren stepped down. Here are a look at some of his picks:
1 1 23 23 Marcus Tubbs DT Texas
2 2 21 53 Michael Boulware LB Florida State
3 3 21 84 Sean Locklear G North Carolina State
4 4 20 116 Niko Koutouvides LB Purdue
5 5 25 157 D.J. Hackett WR Colorado
6 6 24 189 Craig Terrill DT Purdue
7 7 23 224 Donnie Jr. Jones P Louisiana State
2003 1 1 11 11 Marcus Trufant DB Washington State
2 2 10 42 Ken Hamlin DB Arkansas
3 3 9 73 Wayne Hunter T Hawaii
4 4 13 110 Seneca Wallace QB Iowa State
5 4 38 135 Solomon Bates LB Arizona State
6 5 30 165 Chris Davis RB Syracuse
7 6 10 183 Rashad Moore DT Tennessee
8 7 8 222 Josh Brown K Nebraska
9 7 10 224 Taco Wallace WR Kansas State
2002 1 1 28 28 Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
2 2 22 54 Maurice Morris RB Oregon
3 2 28 60 Anton Palepoi DE UNLV
4 3 20 85 Kris Richard DB USC
5 4 22 120 Terreal Bierria DB Georgia
6 5 11 146 Rocky Bernard DE Texas A&M
7 5 34 169 Ryan Hannam TE Northern Iowa
8 5 36 171 Matt Hill T Boise State
9 6 22 194 Craig Jarrett P Michigan State
10 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly QB Southern Mississippi
2001 1 1 9 9 Koren Robinson WR North Carolina State
2 1 17 17 Steve Hutchinson G Michigan
3 2 9 40 Ken Lucas DB Mississippi
4 3 20 82 Heath Evans RB Auburn
5 4 9 104 Orlando Huff LB Fresno State
6 4 32 127 Curtis Fuller DB Texas Christian
7 4 33 128 Floyd Womack G Mississippi State
8 5 9 140 Alex Bannister WR Eastern Kentucky
9 6 9 172 Josh Booty QB Louisiana State
10 7 10 210 Harold Blackmon DB Northwestern
11 7 22 222 Dennis Norman T Princeton
12 7 37 237 Kris Kocurek DT Texas Tech
2000 1 1 19 19 Shaun Alexander RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin
3 2 21 52 Ike Charlton DB Virginia Tech
4 3 18 80 Darrell Jackson WR Florida
5 4 22 116 Marcus Bell LB Arizona
6 4 25 119 Isiah Kacyvenski LB Harvard
7 6 9 175 James Williams WR Marshall
8 6 19 185 Tim Watson DT Rowan
9 6 24 190 John Hilliard

Originally posted by steiber:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by steiber:
I find it funny how some think because he was a good coach he can run a team and pick players. He did it in Seattle and the team was terrible, why would he be any better now? The difference between him and Parcells is he did it with the Jets and went to the AFC Championship and in Dallas and got them back to the playoffs. He has shown over time to know hopw to build a team and how to draft, Homgren has not.

Look at the players he drafted though before he resumed back to his coaching duties. The players he acquired were the core of the SB team.
You could do worse than Holmgren at GM.

You think so, here are the players he drafted. The list doesn't look all that good. There are only a few good players in all those drafts. Most of the good players came after Holmgren stepped down. Here are a look at some of his picks:
1 1 23 23 Marcus Tubbs DT Texas
2 2 21 53 Michael Boulware LB Florida State
3 3 21 84 Sean Locklear G North Carolina State
4 4 20 116 Niko Koutouvides LB Purdue
5 5 25 157 D.J. Hackett WR Colorado
6 6 24 189 Craig Terrill DT Purdue
7 7 23 224 Donnie Jr. Jones P Louisiana State
2003 1 1 11 11 Marcus Trufant DB Washington State
2 2 10 42 Ken Hamlin DB Arkansas
3 3 9 73 Wayne Hunter T Hawaii
4 4 13 110 Seneca Wallace QB Iowa State
5 4 38 135 Solomon Bates LB Arizona State
6 5 30 165 Chris Davis RB Syracuse
7 6 10 183 Rashad Moore DT Tennessee
8 7 8 222 Josh Brown K Nebraska
9 7 10 224 Taco Wallace WR Kansas State
2002 1 1 28 28 Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
2 2 22 54 Maurice Morris RB Oregon
3 2 28 60 Anton Palepoi DE UNLV
4 3 20 85 Kris Richard DB USC
5 4 22 120 Terreal Bierria DB Georgia
6 5 11 146 Rocky Bernard DE Texas A&M
7 5 34 169 Ryan Hannam TE Northern Iowa
8 5 36 171 Matt Hill T Boise State
9 6 22 194 Craig Jarrett P Michigan State
10 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly QB Southern Mississippi
2001 1 1 9 9 Koren Robinson WR North Carolina State
2 1 17 17 Steve Hutchinson G Michigan
3 2 9 40 Ken Lucas DB Mississippi
4 3 20 82 Heath Evans RB Auburn
5 4 9 104 Orlando Huff LB Fresno State
6 4 32 127 Curtis Fuller DB Texas Christian
7 4 33 128 Floyd Womack G Mississippi State
8 5 9 140 Alex Bannister WR Eastern Kentucky
9 6 9 172 Josh Booty QB Louisiana State
10 7 10 210 Harold Blackmon DB Northwestern
11 7 22 222 Dennis Norman T Princeton
12 7 37 237 Kris Kocurek DT Texas Tech
2000 1 1 19 19 Shaun Alexander RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin
3 2 21 52 Ike Charlton DB Virginia Tech
4 3 18 80 Darrell Jackson WR Florida
5 4 22 116 Marcus Bell LB Arizona
6 4 25 119 Isiah Kacyvenski LB Harvard
7 6 9 175 James Williams WR Marshall
8 6 19 185 Tim Watson DT Rowan
9 6 24 190 John Hilliard

Didn't he also acquire Hasselback though? Gotta look at the free agent additions as well.

He really struggled trying to be coach and gm. We'll see how he does in a czar type role? Maybe he's not good in the draft, but he'll get the Browns the first good qb they've had since Kosar.