BREAKING NEWS: Broncos trade Cutler to the Bears

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

This just in. Breaking news...the Bears have NO draft picks....damn they really did screw up. Who has ever drafted a good player outside of the 1st??

Also, more breaking news...apparently, though still 25 years old.....in 2 more seasons when the Bears get to pick in the 1st again...Jay Cutler will automagically be 38 years old.

You heard it hear first, Jay Cutler will NEVER have a WR to throw to because the Bears are stupid heads and got RAPED on this trade.

thank god for the zone

We're fortunate indeed to have all this insight to draw from on the 'zone.
This just in . . . the Bears do have some speed on the outside. Remember Devan Hester? Now they have the arm to get the ball there. They just signed Pace to play LT. Probably not the same player he was five years ago, but I wager he's still one of the best. They also have a first round pick TE who actually seems to know how to catch the ball . . . what a novel concept. Also a pretty decent RB.
We'll see what a QB wih all the tools adds to the equation.
No doubt the Bears have weaknesses . . . what team doesn't? Their defense needs shoring up . . . big time! But at least they had the ability to recognized a deal . . . and the cajones to pull the trigger.

Anyway, what do I care if the Bears have success? . . . I'm not even a fan of theirs . . . but, I'm just so ENVIOUS of their recent acquistion.

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

This just in. Breaking news...the Bears have NO draft picks....damn they really did screw up. Who has ever drafted a good player outside of the 1st??

Also, more breaking news...apparently, though still 25 years old.....in 2 more seasons when the Bears get to pick in the 1st again...Jay Cutler will automagically be 38 years old.

You heard it hear first, Jay Cutler will NEVER have a WR to throw to because the Bears are stupid heads and got RAPED on this trade.

thank god for the zone

We're fortunate indeed to have all this insight to draw from on the 'zone.
This just in . . . the Bears do have some speed on the outside. Remember Devan Hester? Now they have the arm to get the ball there. They just signed Pace to play LT. Probably not the same player he was five years ago, but I wager he's still one of the best. They also have a first round pick TE who actually seems to know how to catch the ball . . . what a novel concept. Also a pretty decent RB.
We'll see what a QB wih all the tools adds to the equation.
No doubt the Bears have weaknesses . . . what team doesn't? Their defense needs shoring up . . . big time! But at least they had the ability to recognized a deal . . . and the cajones to pull the trigger.

Anyway, what do I care if the Bears have success? . . . I'm not even a fan of theirs . . . but, I'm just so ENVIOUS of their recent acquistion.

No kidding. I could tell you are a person who didn't watch any bears games last year.

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Hornblower:


He looks like he just woke up from his month long bender and finally checked the voicemail.

Awesome

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
In evaluating a QBs, you have to look at his mechanicals and feel for the game. You are slavishly adhering to that hope that because ASmith was picked first he somehow CANNOT be a bust. I suggest that you look at HOW he plays. It's not pretty. Hill has less measurables but has been a MUCH more effective QB over the same period. And he has had the same revolving door OC situation to contend with as has been thrown up as an excuse for Smith.
Cutler? He's the real deal. Over his three seasons in the league he has PROVED that he can play at a very high level. "Cutler has no guarantees to continue playing at a probowl level" etc. You're manufacturing suppositions. That does not substitute for reality. He has PROVED that he can. You have to throw out the "he might get injured" excuse. It's the "world stops turning" excuse; it's always there and applies to everything and everybody. Same with the long term signing, because it goes hand in hand with your first point: Throwing a tantrum. OK, That's legitimate.
So you have to balance "what EXTRA do I pay for an ELITE QB," against "how much do I discount what I pay for him because he displays petulant tendencies".
You say a very late round pick, or one of our QBs. That's just not realistic. (Maybe the Niners FO feels the same way. That's why they just can't seem to get anything done.) I estimate its worth a LOT more than that. What the Bears gave up was relatively cheap IMO. So we disagree.
You know . . . you're just TOO funny . . . "you trade away potentially two pro bowlers for one." Yeah, really . . . young pro bowl QB's are a dime a dozen. And 1st rounders are invariably pro bowlers, too.
Seriously . . . I don't always respond to posts where people are slavishly defending their position as opposed to having an open-minded discussion.
But, because you caught me out . . . NZ is as you suppose; grew up there . . . I felt that I owed you the courtesy. You're a young, up-and-coming engineer, I believe. From a great region . . . the world is your oyster, my friend! [/b]

Man, as a heads up, please use paragraphs. It just makes it easier to read.

With regards to Alex Smith, while i agree his play is not pretty (i'm not a blind homer), i do think that Alex is yet to the point where he is beyond repair. While Shaun Hill had the same revolving door at OC, but we never got to see how this would affect him because we didn't get to see him on the field to produce a direct offense by offense comparison with Alex. But..lets save this for another thread.

I brought up that list because you, along with other people think that the Bears are set for 10 years. While injuries are a reality, the fact of the matter is that Cutler hasn't signed a 7 year extension and nor is there the guarantee that he is going to integrate with his new team seamlessly (you addressed this).

I ask you this, what is the most that you would have given for Cutler and why?

-9fA

Originally posted by Esco:

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Hornblower:


He looks like he just woke up from his month long bender and finally checked the voicemail.

Awesome

lol someone stole this mans chin!! wtf where did it go?

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

And that's your opinion.
You realise that they are only ONE draft pick short, don't you?
They gave up a first and swapped a 3rd next year for a fifth this year (a net loss of ONE) for an insurance policy. Namely, to make sure that they did not pick a dud QB in the draft ( the odds were pretty good that they were going to do that on a QB with the 18th pick do-you-think?). So happens that the insurance policy is only on the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE TEAM. And it buys them a proven PRO BOWL quarterback, good for at least another 10 years. Maybe more.
Pretty cheap price to pay, it seems to me.
Make sense now?

Where did you read they swapped 3rd round picks? the broncos got the bears 3rd rounder this year also... Recheck your facts. Who gives a s**t about this MOst import position on the team nonsense. It only works when there is a good offense around him and their clearly isn't. Who knows if Forte was a one year wonder?

Its funny how you guarantee Orton not only starting but also having a better season than Cutler. If you look at Orton and his career, he might be the one year wonder bc he had an actual rushing threat with Forte that gave him 8 in the box.

But then you question if Forte is a one year wonder.

Bro, Orton hasn't played that bad for the s**t he had around him... I question Forte because the NFL is full of one year wonders... I would like to see him produce the same way he did last year.

Yea, Forte averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Jury is still out on him

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by Esco:

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Hornblower:


He looks like he just woke up from his month long bender and finally checked the voicemail.

Awesome

lol someone stole this mans chin!! wtf where did it go?

Jay certainly has a fat face

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

And that's your opinion.
You realise that they are only ONE draft pick short, don't you?
They gave up a first and swapped a 3rd next year for a fifth this year (a net loss of ONE) for an insurance policy. Namely, to make sure that they did not pick a dud QB in the draft ( the odds were pretty good that they were going to do that on a QB with the 18th pick do-you-think?). So happens that the insurance policy is only on the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE TEAM. And it buys them a proven PRO BOWL quarterback, good for at least another 10 years. Maybe more.
Pretty cheap price to pay, it seems to me.
Make sense now?

Where did you read they swapped 3rd round picks? the broncos got the bears 3rd rounder this year also... Recheck your facts. Who gives a s**t about this MOst import position on the team nonsense. It only works when there is a good offense around him and their clearly isn't. Who knows if Forte was a one year wonder?

Its funny how you guarantee Orton not only starting but also having a better season than Cutler. If you look at Orton and his career, he might be the one year wonder bc he had an actual rushing threat with Forte that gave him 8 in the box.

But then you question if Forte is a one year wonder.

Bro, Orton hasn't played that bad for the s**t he had around him... I question Forte because the NFL is full of one year wonders... I would like to see him produce the same way he did last year.

Yea, Forte averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Jury is still out on him

What do you think happens when other teams dont fear your passing attack and stack the box?

Orton stats went up last year bc of defenses keying on Forte. Look at Orton's stats without Forte.

Orton is a one year wonder, if you want to call him a wonder

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

This just in. Breaking news...the Bears have NO draft picks....damn they really did screw up. Who has ever drafted a good player outside of the 1st??

Also, more breaking news...apparently, though still 25 years old.....in 2 more seasons when the Bears get to pick in the 1st again...Jay Cutler will automagically be 38 years old.

You heard it hear first, Jay Cutler will NEVER have a WR to throw to because the Bears are stupid heads and got RAPED on this trade.

thank god for the zone

deadly post lol

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by Esco:

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Hornblower:


He looks like he just woke up from his month long bender and finally checked the voicemail.

Awesome

lol someone stole this mans chin!! wtf where did it go?

Jay certainly has a fat face

it's cause he has the diabeetus.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

You have to be somewhat impressed with what Cutler is doing with those WR's?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by NinerNZ:
I haven't read the posts on this thread, but upon hearing the news of Cutlers trade, I just wanted to register my disappointment with the Niners FO . . . again!
Of course, I knew that the Niners didn't have the Cajones to pull off something like this, but until the door was slammed shut, there was always hope.
This was a trade the Niners could have made. Is Culter worth it? Absolutely! You just have to register this organizations exercise in futility with their first rounders to realise what a crap shoot drafting is versus the sure thing. Easily worth 2, heck three, first rounders. Even the one first rounder we hit on is not worth a third of what a franchise QB brings to the table. Only homie are blind to this fact.
A franchise QB is the core, the foundation on which to build a consistent winner. The Niners demise began with the team's loss of its franchise QBs and until we have one, we're not going to be consistently back. The teams that are consistently there year after year have this.
There is NOONE on the Niners roster who is a valuable as Cutler. Anybody making an argument to the contrary is not playing with a full deck IMO. There are a LOT of them around.
What a disappointment!! Well . . . back to the salt mines!

3 first rounders? Why do we stop there? Just give them a first round draft pick each year for the next 5 years.

CHAMPIONSHIP

-9fA

You don't get it: I was making a point about value.
You give up the LEAST of what it would take to get him. In this case 2 firsts, a third, and change. And you get your franchise back on track after 10 years in the wilderness. Not a huge price to pay for that now, is it?
5 first rounders when you only need to give up two?! Pfffft . . . done much negotiating? Just asking.

Yes but the Bears are now stuck. They have a ton of holes left to fill and no draft picks... woops. Cutler can't turn s**t in to gold with no help

You have to be somewhat impressed with what Cutler is doing with those WR's?

Bump

More salt in wound

Muhahahahaha this thing is actually panning out for them. I'll be honest, I didn't think it ever would after last year. If he can keep this up for sixteen games a season for the rest of his career, he's definitely going to go down in history as Favre Light.