LEO pass rush

Its a shame Tim Williams has so many red flags. He absolutely looks the part.


I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even on John Lynch's board when they draft. He's been adamant about what type of players they're looking for, and Tim Williams is not it.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Its a shame Tim Williams has so many red flags. He absolutely looks the part.

I agree, but I wonder how much less impressive he would've looked without that monster DL taking up all the blocks.

A lot fit the position, All you mentioned, also McKinley, Smoot, Anderson, Phillips, Hall, who are all in the 2nd-4th round range..I think Eli Harold deserves a real shot, he's only 23 and still learning..I think he's my breakout candidate this year..

Probably the only player I would draft at #2. Ill take him over Garrett all day who has bust potential written all over him. This guy wont fail because of his motor and effort. About as close to a sure thing as you can get. He would be a perfect Leo in our system and he would bring some nastiness with him.


Strengths
Angular build, well-built frame. His mother, father and uncle were all collegiate athletes. Lined up at multiple positions. Has ravenous approach to the game. Gets out of the blocks quickly and attacks with early, skilled hands. Stays hungry and wants to feast. Powerful for his size. Shows ability to win with power or quickness. Outstanding athleticism. Fluid in his play. Transitions from move to move. Unpredictable pass rush. Attacks both the edges and can crank up a bull rush. Uses swipes, rips and arm-over to unlock his rush. Hands and feet work in unison. Has lightning-quick spin move he can access to unhinge from block and find new life in his rush. Violent disengagements from blocks leave no doubt blocker is whipped. Relentless approach combined with athleticism makes block recoveries extremely difficult in run or pass. Refuses extended engagements to blockers and works himself free. Will sniff out gaps and make himself skinny into the backfield. Very good pursuit speed and range as playmaker.

Weaknesses
Considered a "tweener" by scouts, who believe he could struggle to keep enough weight on his frame to play along interior. Length is below average as five-technique. Plays with inconsistent pad level. Needs to get bigger and stronger through his lower body. Tends to play taller as play rolls along and can get washed out of plays by strong down blocks. Hands are quick but need more consistent pop behind them. Overall play strength can be improved. "Big and strong" across from him causes some issues. Gets engulfed at times. Snap-count guesser with seven offsides penalties in 2016.

Sources Tell Us
"He's damn good. I don't think he gets drafted as early as you do because he's not big enough for inside and he's not as long as you like on the outside. You have to figure out where you will play him, but he won't stop. He's going to be really productive." -- Director of scouting for AFC team

NFL Comparison
Justin Smith

Bottom Line
Explosive defender who combines strength, quickness, and a muscle-car motor to drive him around the field making play after play. Has the hands and feet to be a quick-win specialist and the size to fit as a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive end who can reduce inside for pass-rush downs. He has all the athletic traits to become a high-impact player and possesses more than enough skill and talent to believe he will continue to elevate his game as a pro. Thomas has the potential to become the best defender from this draft class and a future all-pro.

-Lance Zierlein

Originally posted by JBrack:

Probably the only player I would draft at #2. Ill take him over Garrett all day who has bust potential written all over him. This guy wont fail because of his motor and effort. About as close to a sure thing as you can get. He would be a perfect Leo in our system and he would bring some nastiness with him.


Strengths
Angular build, well-built frame. His mother, father and uncle were all collegiate athletes. Lined up at multiple positions. Has ravenous approach to the game. Gets out of the blocks quickly and attacks with early, skilled hands. Stays hungry and wants to feast. Powerful for his size. Shows ability to win with power or quickness. Outstanding athleticism. Fluid in his play. Transitions from move to move. Unpredictable pass rush. Attacks both the edges and can crank up a bull rush. Uses swipes, rips and arm-over to unlock his rush. Hands and feet work in unison. Has lightning-quick spin move he can access to unhinge from block and find new life in his rush. Violent disengagements from blocks leave no doubt blocker is whipped. Relentless approach combined with athleticism makes block recoveries extremely difficult in run or pass. Refuses extended engagements to blockers and works himself free. Will sniff out gaps and make himself skinny into the backfield. Very good pursuit speed and range as playmaker.

Weaknesses
Considered a "tweener" by scouts, who believe he could struggle to keep enough weight on his frame to play along interior. Length is below average as five-technique. Plays with inconsistent pad level. Needs to get bigger and stronger through his lower body. Tends to play taller as play rolls along and can get washed out of plays by strong down blocks. Hands are quick but need more consistent pop behind them. Overall play strength can be improved. "Big and strong" across from him causes some issues. Gets engulfed at times. Snap-count guesser with seven offsides penalties in 2016.

Sources Tell Us
"He's damn good. I don't think he gets drafted as early as you do because he's not big enough for inside and he's not as long as you like on the outside. You have to figure out where you will play him, but he won't stop. He's going to be really productive." -- Director of scouting for AFC team

NFL Comparison
Justin Smith

Bottom Line
Explosive defender who combines strength, quickness, and a muscle-car motor to drive him around the field making play after play. Has the hands and feet to be a quick-win specialist and the size to fit as a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive end who can reduce inside for pass-rush downs. He has all the athletic traits to become a high-impact player and possesses more than enough skill and talent to believe he will continue to elevate his game as a pro. Thomas has the potential to become the best defender from this draft class and a future all-pro.

-Lance Zierlein

Not even close to a Leo. Solomon is an interior guy.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Probably the only player I would draft at #2. Ill take him over Garrett all day who has bust potential written all over him. This guy wont fail because of his motor and effort. About as close to a sure thing as you can get. He would be a perfect Leo in our system and he would bring some nastiness with him.


Strengths
Angular build, well-built frame. His mother, father and uncle were all collegiate athletes. Lined up at multiple positions. Has ravenous approach to the game. Gets out of the blocks quickly and attacks with early, skilled hands. Stays hungry and wants to feast. Powerful for his size. Shows ability to win with power or quickness. Outstanding athleticism. Fluid in his play. Transitions from move to move. Unpredictable pass rush. Attacks both the edges and can crank up a bull rush. Uses swipes, rips and arm-over to unlock his rush. Hands and feet work in unison. Has lightning-quick spin move he can access to unhinge from block and find new life in his rush. Violent disengagements from blocks leave no doubt blocker is whipped. Relentless approach combined with athleticism makes block recoveries extremely difficult in run or pass. Refuses extended engagements to blockers and works himself free. Will sniff out gaps and make himself skinny into the backfield. Very good pursuit speed and range as playmaker.

Weaknesses
Considered a "tweener" by scouts, who believe he could struggle to keep enough weight on his frame to play along interior. Length is below average as five-technique. Plays with inconsistent pad level. Needs to get bigger and stronger through his lower body. Tends to play taller as play rolls along and can get washed out of plays by strong down blocks. Hands are quick but need more consistent pop behind them. Overall play strength can be improved. "Big and strong" across from him causes some issues. Gets engulfed at times. Snap-count guesser with seven offsides penalties in 2016.

Sources Tell Us
"He's damn good. I don't think he gets drafted as early as you do because he's not big enough for inside and he's not as long as you like on the outside. You have to figure out where you will play him, but he won't stop. He's going to be really productive." -- Director of scouting for AFC team

NFL Comparison
Justin Smith

Bottom Line
Explosive defender who combines strength, quickness, and a muscle-car motor to drive him around the field making play after play. Has the hands and feet to be a quick-win specialist and the size to fit as a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive end who can reduce inside for pass-rush downs. He has all the athletic traits to become a high-impact player and possesses more than enough skill and talent to believe he will continue to elevate his game as a pro. Thomas has the potential to become the best defender from this draft class and a future all-pro.

-Lance Zierlein

Not even close to a Leo. Solomon is an interior guy.

Lol, nope not in the NFL. How many 270 lb interior lineman do you see in the NFL? He is a Leo or OLB at the next level. He does have the versatility to play multiple positions which makes him all the more valuable.

Seeing as all the scouts and evaluators have told him he's an interior guy, I'm sure he's been gaining weight.

he's never played on the corner as a rusher, so projecting to play there makes zero sense. You're basically asking him to play a position you yourself have never seen him play. Let's just make up positions for players.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Seeing as all the scouts and evaluators have told him he's an interior guy, I'm sure he's been gaining weight.

he's never played on the corner as a rusher, so projecting to play there makes zero sense. You're basically asking him to play a position you yourself have never seen him play. Let's just make up positions for players.

What are you talking about? He has played all over the line, inside and outside. I guess you have never seen college DEs play OLB in the NFL.

Solomon is a edge rusher. Do some homework before you make yourself look incompetent.

Originally posted by JBrack:

What are you talking about? He has played all over the line, inside and outside. I guess you have never seen college DEs play OLB in the NFL.

Except he's a 5tech DE at Stanford, not a 4-3 DE. He was almost always head up on the tackle or bumped inside at 1tech or 3tech. Might want to learn the difference before you engage in football discourse.

Charles Harris plz

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JBrack:

What are you talking about? He has played all over the line, inside and outside. I guess you have never seen college DEs play OLB in the NFL.

Except he's a 5tech DE at Stanford, not a 4-3 DE. He was almost always head up on the tackle or bumped inside at 1tech or 3tech. Might want to learn the difference before you engage in football discourse.

Actually if you even read the info I posted it says he isn't a natural 5 tech. Lol

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2017 NFL Draft: Stanford Solomon Thomas Scouting Report

Jon Dove/FanSided via With the First Pick Fansided
Jan 23, 2017 at 12:09p ET
Stanford's Solomon Thomas is a disruptive defensive line prospect who figures to come off the board early during the 2017 NFL Draft.

Solomon Thomas is a versatile defensive line prospect who can play multiple positions. He features the quickness needed to penetrate the pocket and the natural strength to hold at the point of attack. However, it's his ability to make plays behind the line of scrimmage that makes him special.

Thomas uses his explosive first step and snap awareness to work his way into the backfield. He also features a powerful punch and the arm length needed to create space. Thomas routinely gains inside hands and uses his upper-body strength to extend his arms.



His proper hand placement and natural power allow him to quickly disengage. Thomas is someone that can make plays away from his frame and does a great job pursing down the line of scrimmage.

While Stanford rotates him across the defensive line, his best position in the NFL will be at defensive end in either a 3-4 or 4-3 alignment. He'll be able to move inside in passing situations where he can rush the passer and create mismatches.

Thomas is deceptively quick and has the lateral wiggle to slip past the blocker. He also features the closing burst needed to get home and register the sack. This is someone who'll be able to come in and make an immediate impact.

The one area where he needs some work is the consistency of his anchor. There are times where he gives up leverage and fails to hold at the point of attack. This results in him getting driven several yard down field.

His anchor issues are something that can easily be corrected with time and better pad consistency. The fact is that Thomas is still growing as a player and person. He'll benefit from the increased strength and conditioning focus at the next level.

What the hell does that have to do with what he played? Whether it's natural or not, what he played is what he played. You arbitrarily suggested to move him to a position with no reasoning or evidence whatsoever. He has never played as an edge rusher, nor has he ever displayed edge rushing traits--such as bend or dip--required to live there.


Like I said, he's not a LEO. I could see him as strong side DE, but once again, not a LEO.

Originally posted by Heroism:

What the hell does that have to do with what he played? Whether it's natural or not, what he played is what he played. You arbitrarily suggested to move him to a position with no reasoning or evidence whatsoever. He has never played as an edge rusher, nor has he ever displayed edge rushing traits--such as bend or dip--required to live there.


Like I said, he's not a LEO. I could see him as strong side DE, but once again, not a LEO.

You are absolutely wrong!!!

Dont cry about it, post evidence of him consistently winning as edge rusher.


Pro tip: you won't find any.