NT Vita Vea - Washington - 6'5" - 332

Anyone who wants to take a NT in round 1 needs their head examined. The team only implements a NT 20 to 30 % of the defensive snaps.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Vea is going to run a 4.8 at the combine. At 330lbs. Give me all of that. That makes Buckner unblockable because double teaming him is no longer an option.

This draft is deep at CB. We could get him and still get Quenton Meeks, Mike Hughes, Jaire Alexander, Kevin Tolliver, Holton Hill etc later. I do get the point of paying everyone, but that's not something you worried about right now. We'd have Vea for at least 4 years before considering contract stuff. And since we will have to pay Buckner sooner, it would be nice to have a cheap stud next to him.

Saleh would use him in coverage...lol

I mean... he would be the second best corner we have though

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

+1

Earl Mitchell and D.J. Jones are enough....especially if you consider how we may be moving Solomon inside more on passing downs next year.

It would create a log jam at nickle DT. Unfortunately I think it ends there lol.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

You have to admit. There is a little irony here.

Not really...solly has the ability to play all over the line. And we're talking 4 yrs in a row. We have interior pass rush with solly and buck, whatever AA does is a bonus but isn't gonna be counted on.

Vita is a damn good player but is a interior DL nothing more. Would be a horrible pick in the top 10 for what this team needs.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Anyone who wants to take a NT in round 1 needs their head examined. The team only implements a NT 20 to 30 % of the defensive snaps.

Haloti Ngata says hello.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Earl Mitchell was horrendous last year. DJ Jones? Meh. He won't even be on the 46 most games.

Thought Mitchell got better as the season went on...go look at the teams that run our defense you don't need a stud NT to have a great defense.

Don't sleep on Jones either when given the chance he's showed he belongs. He's got great size and athletic ability in his own right.

id rather draft Poona Ford late in the draft if people honestly think we have to upgrade NT. Which we don't

The reason Baltimore had such a dominant D for a decade was because they were so stout up the middle.

-Ngata locked down the interior
-Ray Lewis was an animal
-Ed Reed was the best deep safety in the league.
-Terrell Suggs was a monster rushing from the edge


All we would need to do is find and edge rusher (Ansah) and our D would rival theirs as being a dominant group.

Shanahan and Lynch want to stop the run? Well draft Vea and let him, Solly , Buck and Foster do their thing and there is no telling how good this D can be.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

The reason Baltimore had such a dominant D for a decade was because they were so stout up the middle.

-Ngata locked down the interior
-Ray Lewis was an animal
-Ed Reed was the best deep safety in the league.
-Terrell Suggs was a monster rushing from the edge


All we would need to do is find and edge rusher (Ansah) and our D would rival theirs as being a dominant group.

Shanahan and Lynch want to stop the run? Well draft Vea and let him, Solly , Buck and Foster do their thing and there is no telling how good this D can be.

So all we need is 3 hall of fame players and 1 borderline HoFer. Easy we got this

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
The reason Baltimore had such a dominant D for a decade was because they were so stout up the middle.

-Ngata locked down the interior
-Ray Lewis was an animal
-Ed Reed was the best deep safety in the league.
-Terrell Suggs was a monster rushing from the edge

All we would need to do is find and edge rusher (Ansah) and our D would rival theirs as being a dominant group.

Shanahan and Lynch want to stop the run? Well draft Vea and let him, Solly , Buck and Foster do their thing and there is no telling how good this D can be.

Dude Baltimore ran a totally different defense then us. a NT in a 3-4 is much more important. Ngata was a stud and so is Vea, but isn't close to a top need for this team currently.

Also if there was one thing this defense did well down the stretch it was stopping the run. We had more rushing attempts on us then any team this past season, once we started scoring some points it balanced things out. SF ended the yr 6th overall in YPC vs the run. That's amazing considering what we were in 2016.

How many 1st rd picks did Carrol or Quinn spend on a NT? while he's a great prospect we have MUCH MORE important needs that can be taken care of in the 1st IMO.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

The reason Baltimore had such a dominant D for a decade was because they were so stout up the middle.

-Ngata locked down the interior
-Ray Lewis was an animal
-Ed Reed was the best deep safety in the league.
-Terrell Suggs was a monster rushing from the edge


All we would need to do is find and edge rusher (Ansah) and our D would rival theirs as being a dominant group.

Shanahan and Lynch want to stop the run? Well draft Vea and let him, Solly , Buck and Foster do their thing and there is no telling how good this D can be.

So all we need is 3 hall of fame players and 1 borderline HoFer. Easy we got this

That's not what he was saying at all.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
The reason Baltimore had such a dominant D for a decade was because they were so stout up the middle.

-Ngata locked down the interior
-Ray Lewis was an animal
-Ed Reed was the best deep safety in the league.
-Terrell Suggs was a monster rushing from the edge

All we would need to do is find and edge rusher (Ansah) and our D would rival theirs as being a dominant group.

Shanahan and Lynch want to stop the run? Well draft Vea and let him, Solly , Buck and Foster do their thing and there is no telling how good this D can be.

So all we need is 3 hall of fame players and 1 borderline HoFer. Easy we got this

correct

Originally posted by Dillesq:
That's not what he was saying at all.

I mean the reason they were so good on defense WAS because they had HOFs up the middle...Baltimore didn't run the same defense that we are. I'd look more at that Seattle team

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
That's not what he was saying at all.

I mean the reason they were so good on defense WAS because they had HOFs up the middle...Baltimore didn't run the same defense that we are. I'd look more at that Seattle team

The jist of the point he was making is that we can look at how past teams have built aspects of their team and use that as a model of success. Our player's don't have to be hall of famers to have a great defense, they don't have to be HOF's to succeed. I agree SEA is where we should look.

also remember, a dominant d-line improves every other level of the defense as well.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
The jist of the point he was making is that we can look at how past teams have built aspects of their team and use that as a model of success. Our player's don't have to be hall of famers to have a great defense, they don't have to be HOF's to succeed. I agree SEA is where we should look.

also remember, a dominant d-line improves every other level of the defense as well.

and we've spent 3 1st rd picks on the interior DL along with bringing in two guys (Mitchell/Day). You can't keep throwing top end picks yr after yr in the same position group. At some point you will have to pay them and putting that much draft capital and money in one spot isn't smart IMO.

just look at that Baltimore team for example....1st rd picks on Edge, NT, LB, S not all interior DL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Dude Baltimore ran a totally different defense then us. a NT in a 3-4 is much more important. Ngata was a stud and so is Vea, but isn't close to a top need for this team currently.

Also if there was one thing this defense did well down the stretch it was stopping the run. We had more rushing attempts on us then any team this past season, once we started scoring some points it balanced things out. SF ended the yr 6th overall in YPC vs the run. That's amazing considering what we were in 2016.

How many 1st rd picks did Carrol or Quinn spend on a NT? while he's a great prospect we have MUCH MORE important needs that can be taken care of in the 1st IMO.

I don't consider Vea a NT. He is a dominant 3 down interior defensive lineman.

He isn't your typical run stuffer that comes out on passing downs. He is a beast rushing the passer too.