Rather Draft an Impact Player over QB

Unless theres a cant miss looking QB in the Draft like a Winston, or Luck(who looking questionable now). I would rather draft instant impact players. Like a WR or Pass rusher. You dont need star QBs these days to win Superbowls. Just great teams and special great Defenses. Eli has more Superbowls than Rodgers. Broncos won last year with less than good QBs. OL looking respectable and DL its getting stronger vs the run. Plus QBs cost too much these days just to have them make the playoffs but not win ships.

No such thing as a can't miss prospect...no matter what position.

You certainly don't get anymore impact than QB and we need to draft our next great QB. Unfortunately Cleveland is primed for that #1 spot and we're not good enough at being bad enough to get that coveted spot in order to draft a kid like Deshone Kizer who imo is the whole package.

As far as your comparison...you realize Eli was #1 overall pick right?

Eli wasnt a highly touted prospected like Winston and Luck were, he was just one of the best QBs to come out in the draft that year. Just Like Wentz and Goff this year. How many highly drafted QBs that have been drafted in the last decade have won Superbowls or even made it Conference Championships. Not too many.

Originally posted by genus49:
No such thing as a can't miss prospect...no matter what position.

You certainly don't get anymore impact than QB and we need to draft our next great QB. Unfortunately Cleveland is primed for that #1 spot and we're not good enough at being bad enough to get that coveted spot in order to draft a kid like Deshone Kizer who imo is the whole package.

As far as your comparison...you realize Eli was #1 overall pick right?

Originally posted by DeHubb:
Unless theres a cant miss looking QB in the Draft like a Winston, or Luck(who looking questionable now). I would rather draft instant impact players. Like a WR or Pass rusher. You dont need star QBs these days to win Superbowls. Just great teams and special great Defenses.

There's no such thing as a can't miss player, everyone can miss, no matter how talented and there is no more important position out on the field than a QB. You can win without a star QB but its not really sustainable. You're depending on a elite level defense and eventually regression and the salary cap will catch up with you. Denver already got raided in the offseason and they will continue to lose guys. Basically you are hoping for all the stars to align just right for one year.

Eli has more Superbowls than Rodgers. Broncos won last year with less than good QBs. OL looking respectable and DL its getting stronger vs the run. Plus QBs cost too much these days just to have them make the playoffs but not win ships.

The same Eli who was the #1 pick?

Most of these successful teams have the team built first then the QB, its not many that started with the QB then built the team around him and became successful

Originally posted by DeHubb:
Eli wasnt a highly touted prospected like Winston and Luck were, he was just one of the best QBs to come out in the draft that year. Just Like Wentz and Goff this year. How many highly drafted QBs that have been drafted in the last decade have won Superbowls or even made it Conference Championships. Not too many.

2007-Colts(Peyton Manning)
2008-Giants(Eli)
2009-Steelers(Big Ben)
2010-Saints(Drew Brees)
2011-Packers(Aaron Rodgers)
2012-Ravens(Joe Flacco)
2013-Seahawks(Russell Wilson)
2014-Patriots(Tom Brady)
2015-Broncos(Peyton Manning)



Seems like QB is pretty important. Out of the last 9 SB winners, you can argue that two did it largely with defense and no star QB and with Seattle, its not so much that Wilson was lacking as a quarterback than it was their defense just being so damn good.

Originally posted by DeHubb:
Most of these successful teams have the team built first then the QB, its not many that started with the QB then built the team around him and became successful

One way or another those teams had to find a QB. The 49ers currently have no QB, hoping and praying that you can build an alltime elite defense and make a run for a year to win a SB to me seems like a much flimsier proposition than to go out and find a top QB prospect that you can continue to build around, someone that hopefully develops into the type of player that can elevate the rest of your roster.

It'd be one thing if they went all in on a QB this past offseason where most of the team was in shambles. They've solidified the OL, they've added some nice pieces on defenses who will hopefully develop into cornerstone players, what needs to be addressed is the offense, QB, WR and more depth at RB but QB above all should be the priority, no position matters more in today's NFL. This isn't some expansion team, this roster looks to be about a QB, another pass rusher and a couple receivers away from contending for a playoff spot.


As Chip Kelly has said many many times, in this league, you absolutely have to be able to pass the ball and do it well.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
2007-Colts(Peyton Manning)
2008-Giants(Eli)
2009-Steelers(Big Ben)
2010-Saints(Drew Brees)
2011-Packers(Aaron Rodgers)
2012-Ravens(Joe Flacco)
2013-Seahawks(Russell Wilson)
2014-Patriots(Tom Brady)
2015-Broncos(Peyton Manning)



Seems like QB is pretty important. Out of the last 9 SB winners, you can argue that two did it largely with defense and no star QB and with Seattle, its not so much that Wilson was lacking as a quarterback than it was their defense just being so damn good.

Out of all them championships. Most the teams won off their great defense Seahawks, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Broncos. Only 2 of those picks was a top 10 draft pick. Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Russell Wilson was drafted into already Good team. Most of them guys were the last piece to be added to win them the championship. Building the Team first then bring in the QB is best way to getting to a championship.

Originally posted by DeHubb:
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Out of all them championships. Most the teams won off their great defense Seahawks, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Broncos. Only 2 of those picks was a top 10 draft pick. Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Russell Wilson was drafted into already Good team. Most of them guys were the last piece to be added to win them the championship.

The vast majority of them wouldn't have gotten to where they did without their QB's. The Ravens in 2012 barely made it into the playoffs, it was Joe Flacco that carried them in the playoffs, not their defense. So yes, you need a quality defense as well, when you have a top QB you don't need an all-time level defense like what Denver had last year or what Baltimore had when they won with Dilfer as their QB.

Having that top QB also gives you a better shot of being a constant playoff contender. If you can make it to the playoffs, you have a shot at winning it all and the teams with top QB's are the ones who are consistently in the playoff picture over the long haul.



On top of that you have had so many rule changes which favor a passing offense, rule changes to protect QBs and now you have a bunch of these guys playing into their late 30s when players at most other positions have already retired. You draft the right QB and potentially you're talking about a 12-16 year player for your team.

unfortunately baalke wouldn't be able to spot joe montana if he was in front of him

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The vast majority of them wouldn't have gotten to where they did without their QB's. The Ravens in 2012 barely made it into the playoffs, it was Joe Flacco that carried them in the playoffs, not their defense. So yes, you need a quality defense as well, when you have a top QB you don't need an all-time level defense like what Denver had last year or what Baltimore had when they won with Dilfer as their QB.

Having that top QB also gives you a better shot of being a constant playoff contender. If you can make it to the playoffs, you have a shot at winning it all and the teams with top QB's are the ones who are consistently in the playoff picture over the long haul.



On top of that you have had so many rule changes which favor a passing offense, rule changes to protect QBs and now you have a bunch of these guys playing into their late 30s when players at most other positions have already retired. You draft the right QB and potentially you're talking about a 12-16 year player for your team.

Those QBs who without a team first it took them Years to win their first Superbowl. Rodgers sat for 3 years. Took Peyton yeaaars to win the Superbowl and wasnt great in the playoffs throughout his career. Big Ben, Flacco, Russell won a superbowl early in their careers because they had a team built around them already. Drew Brees won a Superbowl by a team that didnt even draft him.

I understand the desire to not draft a qb just to draft a qb (if there's no qb with remote first round caliber talent), but QB is so important of a position that it's better to keep drafting until you hit than it is to bolster everywhere else while waiting for a slam dunk prospect.

No player is can't miss and the level of impact an above average qb makes is astronomical compared to the most elite player at any other position. The only way to win without a qb is if you're elite everywhere else and in todays salary cap era you won't sustain a team of 10-12 elite guys that can carry the team in lieu of a qb.

Even if we're not the 1st overall pick we should still take a qb assuming there's a remote first round caliber qb available. In recent drafts we passed over Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, and Paxton Lynch who we all had a shot at drafting and all would make this team better than our last 5 first round picks combined.

Guys I would take in a heartbeat in this draft: Kizer, Watson, Falk, and even Brad Kaaya (despite not being a good system fit I'd make it work).

Originally posted by DeHubb:
Those QBs who without a team first it took them Years to win their first Superbowl. Rodgers sat for 3 years. Took Peyton yeaaars to win the Superbowl and wasnt great in the playoffs throughout his career. Big Ben, Flacco, Russell won a superbowl early in their careers because they had a team built around them already. Drew Brees won a Superbowl by a team that didnt even draft him.

and what were the Saints before they got Brees?

Nah, got to use at least a 2nd round pick on a QB this year..... even if Gabbert or Kaepernick finish the season looking like an above average QB. Good QBs can be found outside of the 1st round if given a few years to develop behind a competent starter.