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Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
May 13, 2016 at 11:51 AM
- 9moon
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SORRY, KEYBOARD IS BROKEN..
May 13, 2016 at 12:05 PM
- SoCold
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SIGN HIM SO HE CAN LOSE US 4 SB IN A ROW
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May 13, 2016 at 10:08 PM
- Jcool
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Originally posted by SoCold:
SIGN HIM SO HE CAN LOSE US 4 SB IN A ROW
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You too huh??
May 13, 2016 at 11:45 PM
- NinerSickness
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Would the mods please rename this "tOfficial Caps Lock thread" please?
May 14, 2016 at 10:53 AM
- fropwns
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 9moon:
KERRY COLLINS ALL OVER AGAIN.
SOLID WHEN AWESOME
AWFUL WHEN AWFUL
May 14, 2016 at 9:39 PM
- joaosoarrs99
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He is good but crazy
May 14, 2016 at 10:36 PM
- NinerSickness
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Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
He is good but crazy
So you don't believe him when he says he's a changed man?
May 15, 2016 at 3:02 AM
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Anyone who hangs out at bars is a question mark as far as this profession goes IMO. And yeah, a lot of you hang out at bars... how many are playing in the NFL? Right. Anyway... that said. Kid can play. Big time player in fact.
Sometimes people learn. Sometimes people have no impulse control because they're somewhere on the APD spectrum and probably aren't worth having near your team. I'd use a pick on him if he stays out of trouble, but not until day 3.
Sometimes people learn. Sometimes people have no impulse control because they're somewhere on the APD spectrum and probably aren't worth having near your team. I'd use a pick on him if he stays out of trouble, but not until day 3.
[ Edited by Evilgenius on May 15, 2016 at 3:03 AM ]
May 15, 2016 at 3:55 AM
- NinerSickness
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Originally posted by Evilgenius:
Anyone who hangs out at bars is a question mark as far as this profession goes IMO.
That's absolutely true. With character, there's no possible way to predict what will happen. It's 100% luck.
Chris Carter used to be a drug addict, and he became a HOFer. Darrell Russell had as much potential as anyone in the NFL, and he ended suspended indefinitely (and died in a car crash).
Tampa won a Super Bowl gambling on Warren Sapp; The Patriots lost a ton of money & a major part of the offense gambling on Aaron Hernandez.
However, going though the last 20 years, you see a lot more success stories when teams gambled on "problem" players than failures; at least for the teams who drafted them. Aaron Lynch is a prime example. Sometimes you get a Lynch; sometimes you get a Wendell Bryant. But the thing is, nobody knew Wendell Bryant was a drug addict, and nobody knew Kerry Collins was an alcoholic (he got the Panthers close to a Super Bowl and got the Giants to one).
People didn't see Charles Rodgers' drug problems coming. Half the people said Randy Moss & Dez Bryant weren't worth the risk. Tyrann Mathieu was an KNOWN drug addict in college, and he's turned out great. Janoris Jenkins and Dorial Green-Beckham were both considered the scum of the earth by a lot of people, and a lot of teams wish they drafted those guys instead of the guys they took. On the other hand, fellow 2nd-rounder Sergio Kindle (possible narcoleptic) was a bust; and Kindle was beast at Texas.
There's a saying in the investment world: by the time you've heard the news about a stock, it's already too late. The damage to Chad Kelly's stock has been done. He also looks like a very contrite person who admits he's been a screw up. I actually think the odds of him succeeding are in his favour assuming he's as talented as some of these other names.
The other thing is that this upcoming QB class is very weak. You don't want Watson (Bridgewater 2.0) or Kaaya (not any good). Patrick Mahomes isn't talented enough IMO; Luke Faulk has the potential to be a Joe-Flacco-caliber QB, but he looks more like a Joey Harrington at this point IMO (need to watch him more).
Chad Kelly's the only QB in the upcoming draft I think has a shot at being a HOF-caliber guy. That's not to say I think he WILL be that guy, but his is the only ceiling that even interests me at this point. Otherwise, you might as well go with Blaine for the next 10 years.
[ Edited by NinerSickness on May 15, 2016 at 4:17 AM ]
May 15, 2016 at 8:36 AM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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How is Watson Bridgewater 2.0? He has a much better arm and is way more athletic. Not sure who his comparison is but definitely not a guy who was drafted for his mental toughness and accuracy. Seems like this comparison is being driven entirely by comparing the size of the two players, but Watson has way more upside coming out than Bridgewater. He should measure out with bigger hands too which was a minor concern for Bridgewater at 9.25".
Watson is a better prospect than Wentz or Goff in my opinion.
Chad Kelly is the same size as Watson without the athleticism and with numerous off field concerns.
Watson is a better prospect than Wentz or Goff in my opinion.
Chad Kelly is the same size as Watson without the athleticism and with numerous off field concerns.
May 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
However, going though the last 20 years, you see a lot more success stories when teams gambled on "problem" players than failures; at least for the teams who drafted them.
Chad Kelly's the only QB in the upcoming draft I think has a shot at being a HOF-caliber guy. That's not to say I think he WILL be that guy, but his is the only ceiling that even interests me at this point.
The first part of your statement is so inaccurately wrong it's not even fun. People who were problems coming into the league typically fail more than succeeded. Just cause there's a few examples of guys cleaning up their acts (Tarell Brown, Tyrann Mathieu, etc.) there is twice as many with red flags who keep failing repeatedly and washout (Aldon Smith, Josh Gordon, Da'rick Rogers, Maurice Clarett, Dimitruis Underwood, Cecil Collins, William Green, Lawrence Philips, Randy Gregory <- just to name a few off the top of my head).
And calling Kelly HOF caliber is ridiculous right now. If anyone else thought that, he'd be the hands down #1 QB/player in the draft upcoming draft, regardless of red flags. Jameis had tons of red flags and was still a #1 pick.
May 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM
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Originally posted by Travisty13:
The first part of your statement is so inaccurately wrong it's not even fun. People who were problems coming into the league typically fail more than succeeded. Just cause there's a few examples of guys cleaning up their acts (Tarell Brown, Tyrann Mathieu, etc.) there is twice as many with red flags who keep failing repeatedly and washout (Aldon Smith, Josh Gordon, Da'rick Rogers, Maurice Clarett, Dimitruis Underwood, Cecil Collins, William Green, Lawrence Philips, Randy Gregory <- just to name a few off the top of my head).
Most of the guys you mentioned had problems that were not known prior to being drafted. Go back and look at all the high draft picks whom people were talking about as character risks. I found a lot more success stories than failure stories.
And Da'rick Rodgers wasn't eve drafted. Guys like Charles Rogers, however, didn't have huge character flags (at least not based on public knowledge). Their problems came as a surprise to everyone. People didn't know Underwood was a nut job.
And Randy Gregory is failing because he isn't any good, not because of character concerns.
May 15, 2016 at 4:44 PM
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
How is Watson Bridgewater 2.0? He has a much better arm and is way more athletic. Not sure who his comparison is but definitely not a guy who was drafted for his mental toughness and accuracy. Seems like this comparison is being driven entirely by comparing the size of the two players, but Watson has way more upside coming out than Bridgewater. He should measure out with bigger hands too which was a minor concern for Bridgewater at 9.25".
Watson is a better prospect than Wentz or Goff in my opinion.
Chad Kelly is the same size as Watson without the athleticism and with numerous off field concerns.
Watson & Bridgewater don't have extremely different levels of arm strength. And if you're looking for "athleticism" in a QB, you're looking for the wrong thing.
People were talking about Cardale Jones, another QB on a great team, like he was the best prospect in the draft last offseason as well. Bridgewater & Watson had similar playing styles, and I don't think it's going to work in the NFL. I predicted that Bridgewater would be a mediocre-to-below-average QB, and Watson reminds me too much of him. I see too much running, staring down receivers, gimmicky offensive plays that won't work in the NFL, and so on. Watson is the kind of guy you want in college, not the NFL.
This isn't to say Chad Kelly is the guy you want either. I want to see how he does this year to make that determination. But he makes the kind of passes that you want to see from an NFL guy on a pretty regular basis.
[ Edited by NinerSickness on May 15, 2016 at 4:44 PM ]
May 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Watson & Bridgewater don't have extremely different levels of arm strength. And if you're looking for "athleticism" in a QB, you're looking for the wrong thing.
People were talking about Cardale Jones, another QB on a great team, like he was the best prospect in the draft last offseason as well. Bridgewater & Watson had similar playing styles, and I don't think it's going to work in the NFL. I predicted that Bridgewater would be a mediocre-to-below-average QB, and Watson reminds me too much of him. I see too much running, staring down receivers, gimmicky offensive plays that won't work in the NFL, and so on. Watson is the kind of guy you want in college, not the NFL.
This isn't to say Chad Kelly is the guy you want either. I want to see how he does this year to make that determination. But he makes the kind of passes that you want to see from an NFL guy on a pretty regular basis.
They have very different levels of arm strength. Bridgewater's arm strength was a knock on him coming out. Watson has one of the strongest arms in the class and has both Goff and Wentz beat in terms of arm strength. He's also accurate when he has a clean pocket or is on the run. The knocks on him are that he's in a spread offense and Clemson is extremely talented, so Watson hasn't had to make difficult throws as often. He's still shown he can make any throw and has way more arm talent than Bridgewater coming out.
1:15 (65 yard throw with his feet barely set), 1:30 (40 yard rope getting hit), 4:05 (another 60+ yard throw that looks effortless).
The Cardale Jones comparison is also absurd. Jones had fewer than 100 passing attempts heading into the season. Watson has 628 attempts and put up over 5000 total yards last season (over 4000 passing). Defenses have a lot more tape on Watson and he's shown consistent accuracy at Clemson.
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised by your evaluation given you repeatedly called Connor Cook the best QB in the 2015 draft class.
[ Edited by eastcoast49ersfan on May 15, 2016 at 5:38 PM ]
May 15, 2016 at 5:51 PM
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised by your evaluation given you repeatedly called Connor Cook the best QB in the 2015 draft class.
He is the best QB in that class. Goff will be really good, Wentz will bust, and Lynch will be another Kaepernick-level QB (mediocre). Cook may not get his shot in the next 4 years, however, unless Carr goes down.