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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Man, you are preaching to the choir. As I've stated, and have been saying, I think we should take a QB in the first and sit him for a season. But I just don't think that's gonna happen. Last season was a mistake of the FO and I think the FO knows that. Even though Kaep has a cap-friendly contract they still have invested a lot of money in him. And he did go to 3 straight conference title games and a SB. Clearly, there's proven winning talent there. So I'm not so sure the FO want's to give up on him.

And as I've stated this roster has much of what Chip wants to do offensively, especially at the QB position. Keep in mind that Chip lobbied to come here. That's no small point! Listen, I'm a football coach myself (and talent scout). And I can tell you that I'm not lobbying to coach any team unless I'm fairly sure I can win with the current roster. Keep in mind that NFL coaches, on average, don't get a long time to turn things around/ Coaches contracts average out about 3 years, so new coaches don't have much time to waste. When coaches lobby to coach a team there's something about the roster that make him think he can be competitive with that roster, now.

I really didn't want Chip as a coach, but he's our coach anyway. So I'm gonna support him and want him to be successful. So when I look at our current roster and what Chip likes to do offensively, Kaep is the best QB with the tools to run his offense since he's had Marcus Mariota. And as we know Marcus Mariota was compared heavily to Kaep, not to mention his accuracy was a major question coming out of college - like Kaep.

That's why, IMHO, we won't be drafting a QB.

Mariota is a better, more accurate version of Kaepernick who also happens to be 6 years younger and getting paid a fraction of what Kaepernick is making. There's a night and day difference in their value - Kaepernick may only be worth a 4th or 5th round pick while Mariota is worth the #1 pick.

Kaepernick's recovery from surgery is the only reason he may be on the roster in 2016 in my opinion (if his contract guarantees).
But the fact remains that Kaep is the best QB Chip has had to run his system since he had Mariota. And besudes age I wouldn't say that the difference between them is "night and day". Kaep-Brady - night and day. Brady-Newton - night and day. Newton-Manning - night and day. Manning-Wilson - night and day. Outside of age there really isn't much difference between Kaep and Mariota. Kaep regression can be traced directly to change in scheme (under JH) and just terrible coaching (under Jimmy T.). And I've seen no evidence that Kaep is slowing down or has diminishing skills. For two seasons Kaep skills have been held back and mal-utilized. And that plays a major roll with accuracy. If the coaches are employing a scheme that don't fit the talent accuracy is gonna be among the glaring deficiencies.

In terms of his surgery recovery I think we all know what that's really about. This was a chess move by Kaep. And if I were Kaep I'm pretty sure I would have taken the same route. I guarantee you that had things played out differently we would not even be seeing this as an issue. In fact I'd say that he played it beautifully. He's gonna get his money with the opportunity to get his job back under a coach who runs a scheme that fits him. Mark my words, Kaep will be ready for all voluntary and mandatory off/preseason/camp workouts. And any "surgery" will be long forgotten.
Much of kaps struggles and almost any qbs struggles is ol. How does gabbert get sacked 9 times by clev a team that can't get sacks. Kap had no time to pass or anything. I have always supported kap but when he didn't see Torrey wide open against the Rams I changed my opinion. I think he will do a lot better with a Davis back and Kilgore back and improved play and depth from tiller and brown. Kap also doesn't have a good wr core to help him.........

However, great qbs don't need great wrs, maybe o lineman but not wrs.

Chip will make almost every player on offense better or at least look better.

Our team needs
A great pass rusher
A good center
A number one wr
A great CB
A kr/pr specialist.
A qb would be nice but kap is solid and if we draft geoff or someone else then I will be open to it, but qbs like cam improved dramatically with ol play (had so much time to pass even Ginn looked like a number 1/2 wr) and I felt kap is better at every level than cam up until this year.
We can deal with an average to above average ilb opposite boman.

Hope we address these needs in fa and the draft bc Jed and Trent know this year is the worst they have been publically owned and the pressure to spend or do whatever it takes is on.

We are all going to be exited from fa this year and the draft
Free Agents in parenthesis. Some needs may be filled by resigning our free agents.

QB: Kaepernick, Garbbert, need
RB: Hyde, Davis, Hayne, Harris, Miller, (Draughn)
OT: Staley, Brown, need, need, [Davis? Unretire?]
OG: Tiller, Martin, Thomas, Silberman, need, need (Boone
OC: Kilgore, Martin, need
TE: McDonald, Bell, Anderson, need, (Celek)
WR: T Smith, Patton, Ellington, Smelter, need, need, (Boldin)

DT: Dorsey, Purcell, Dial, Ramsey, need, (Williams)
DE: Armstead, Rush, need, (Jerod-Eddie)
OLB: Lynch, Harold, Brooks, Carradine, Lemonier, need
ILB: Bowman, Hodges, Skov, need, (Wilhoite)
SS: Tartt, Bethea, McCray
FS: Reid, Ward, need
CB: Brock, Acker, Johnson, Reaser, Cromartie, Davis,
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jan 30, 2016 at 10:48 AM ]
That roster looks terrible, there are a couple starters and a bunch of backups.
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Mariota is a better, more accurate version of Kaepernick who also happens to be 6 years younger and getting paid a fraction of what Kaepernick is making. There's a night and day difference in their value - Kaepernick may only be worth a 4th or 5th round pick while Mariota is worth the #1 pick.

Kaepernick's recovery from surgery is the only reason he may be on the roster in 2016 in my opinion (if his contract guarantees).

Mariota in 2015 and Kaep in 2013/2014 is very similar.

There isn't "night and day difference" between the value, especially if you surround Kaep with the right pieces on the offensive line.

We'd all love to get Goff or Lynch but you have to be realistic when considering why Chip Kelly came here.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14001/colin-kaepernick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2576980/marcus-mariota
Originally posted by elguapo:
Much of kaps struggles and almost any qbs struggles is ol. How does gabbert get sacked 9 times by clev a team that can't get sacks. Kap had no time to pass or anything. I have always supported kap but when he didn't see Torrey wide open against the Rams I changed my opinion. I think he will do a lot better with a Davis back and Kilgore back and improved play and depth from tiller and brown. Kap also doesn't have a good wr core to help him.........

However, great qbs don't need great wrs, maybe o lineman but not wrs.

Chip will make almost every player on offense better or at least look better.

Our team needs
A great pass rusher
A good center
A number one wr
A great CB
A kr/pr specialist.
A qb would be nice but kap is solid and if we draft geoff or someone else then I will be open to it, but qbs like cam improved dramatically with ol play (had so much time to pass even Ginn looked like a number 1/2 wr) and I felt kap is better at every level than cam up until this year.
We can deal with an average to above average ilb opposite boman.

Hope we address these needs in fa and the draft bc Jed and Trent know this year is the worst they have been publically owned and the pressure to spend or do whatever it takes is on.

We are all going to be exited from fa this year and the draft
Boldin and T. Smith aren't true number 1 and 2? Even if we don't resign Boldin (I cannot imagine that we won't) T. Smith will be the legit number one. Behind Smith is the question. Who will claim that:

Dres Anderson
DeAndre Smelter
Bruce Ellington
DiAndre Campbell
Quinton Patton
DeAndrew White

My money is on Smelter or Rogers. Ellington will never stay healthy long enough to be anything more than a slot WR. Don't see Patton ever being better than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart. Really not that sure about White, Campbell, and Anderson. From what I saw of Smelter in college he seems to be Boldin 2.0. In any event I think it's best that we see how Smelter and the other young WR talent pans out before declare the position as a real need.
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